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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 09 2011 13:00 Sea.3PO wrote: What does a DNS server have to do with speed tests? A fast dns server speeds up your browsing by quickly resolving dns lookups sometimes much faster than your isp can. So basically your pages load faster. Here's a tool you can test against to see the difference. http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 10 ms 8 ms 6 ms c-69-245-72-1.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [69.245.72.1] 2 13 ms 12 ms 12 ms ge-2-2-ur03.waterford.mi.michigan.comcast.net [6 8.85.218.69] 3 7 ms 10 ms 11 ms te-8-1-ur02.springfield.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.87.190.122] 4 15 ms 9 ms 9 ms te-0-5-0-6-ar01.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.87.190.126] 5 36 ms 23 ms 22 ms pos-3-3-0-0-cr01.chicago.il.ibone.comcast.net [6 8.86.90.109] 6 23 ms 22 ms 25 ms pos-1-3-0-0-pe01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.158] 7 22 ms 24 ms 23 ms te0-3-0-1.ccr22.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54 .10.253] 8 22 ms 25 ms 22 ms te0-3-0-0.ccr22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54 .5.1] 9 33 ms 35 ms 35 ms te0-1-0-1.ccr22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54 .40.205] 10 34 ms 33 ms 35 ms te0-2-0-0.mpd21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54 .7.233] 11 41 ms 33 ms 34 ms te0-3-0-5.mpd21.iad02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54 .41.246] 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. anything out of the ordinary? | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
But I have been fine until todays GCPL stream, but that may have been because there were like 8000 people watching. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:14 Baarn wrote: A fast dns server speeds up your browsing by quickly resolving dns lookups sometimes much faster than your isp can. So basically your pages load faster. Here's a tool you can test against to see the difference. http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ Your description is very correct, but DNS has nothing to do with sustained download speeds (which is required to watch a stream). A slow DNS lookup can cause a initial delay, but once the connection has been made, the DNS is no longer used. DNS simply cannot be the culprit when it comes to stream lag. To back up my statement  | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 14 2011 08:08 HellGreen wrote: Your description is very correct, but DNS has nothing to do with sustained download speeds (which is required to watch a stream). A slow DNS lookup can cause a initial delay, but once the connection has been made, the DNS is no longer used. DNS simply cannot be the culprit when it comes to stream lag. To back up my statement Really now? The information in the link you provided is incorrect as to how, let's say, googledns works. I'll give a real example with using Netflix as an example of how the dns actually does matter. Let's say you live on the east coast and are currently using a dns on the west coast. So when you connect to netflix you get a cdn that is obviously gonna be on the west coast when you connect. So your throughput isn't gonna be the same as if you switched to googledns and got a cdn on the east coast to connect to. Does that make sense to you now about how streaming services work on the web? Another example is that Blizzard uses a local dns here in san diego for bnet servers where I live so that data center is a few miles from me. So by using a local dns here I can cut the time of my connection to their servers since the distance is so short meaning I will have a lower ping which helps a great deal in gaming. | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
It seems you're assuming there are multiple end points to each service. I'm not. I think we need to agree on what we're discussing. . I live in Denmark (Europe) and no matter what DNS I use a always get the same end point when watching a stream on www.justin.tv. This is because their servers are located in Berkeley, CA (ie. http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/199.9.249.184). Now I agree that if a streaming service had multiple locations, you would probably get higher speeds from closest geo-location, but it shouldn't matter much from a througput point of view. Right now I'm watching a stream from the user "vVvrigid". I'm downloading ~1mbit/s. Whether I got connected to an East coast or West coast server really shouldn't be noticeable in throughput at those kind of speeds. There's a whole other discussion in this, from the providers POV that could affect the stream experience (even distribution of users and such), but that's not what we're discussing.On March 14 2011 14:06 Baarn wrote: Let's say you live on the east coast and are currently using a dns on the west coast. So when you connect to netflix you get a cdn that is obviously gonna be on the west coast when you connect. I'm sorry, but you're wrong in the assumption that only a physical close DNS server will give you the closest available service. Look up "Anycast" on Wikipedia. If set up correctly, you will get the closer server no matter which DNS you query. On March 14 2011 14:06 Baarn wrote: So your throughput isn't gonna be the same as if you switched to googledns and got a cdn on the east coast to connect to. Does that make sense to you now about how streaming services work on the web? In the context of this thread (about Justin.tv) who as far as I can tell, only have servers in California (Berkeley/San Francisco), it doesn't matter which DNS you query - they will all direct you to the same end point. On March 14 2011 14:06 Baarn wrote: Another example is that Blizzard uses a local dns here in san diego for bnet servers where I live so that data center is a few miles from me. So by using a local dns here I can cut the time of my connection to their servers since the distance is so short meaning I will have a lower ping which helps a great deal in gaming. Whoa! This discussion was about DNS vs. sustained download speeds (throughput). Not ping times. I'm not arguing that using certain DNS services can improve your browsing speeds, I'm arguing that throughput against a single specific server is non-DNS related. Best Regards, | ||
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betaV1.25
425 Posts
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
can anyone who also is having this issue post in my justin.tv forum thread - http://community.justin.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=7495 i haven't gotten any responses from a moderator yet, so i'm hoping that if i get enough posts they wont be able to just brush this off and ignore it after giving so much information documenting this problem it would be a shame if justin.tv never actually looked at it | ||
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psycroptic
Canada115 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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psycroptic
Canada115 Posts
the canadian JTV servers are completely useless. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 15 2011 02:47 HellGreen wrote: @Baarn It seems you're assuming there are multiple end points to each service. I'm not. I think we need to agree on what we're discussing. . I live in Denmark (Europe) and no matter what DNS I use a always get the same end point when watching a stream on www.justin.tv. This is because their servers are located in Berkeley, CA (ie. http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/199.9.249.184). Now I agree that if a streaming service had multiple locations, you would probably get higher speeds from closest geo-location, but it shouldn't matter much from a througput point of view. Right now I'm watching a stream from the user "vVvrigid". I'm downloading ~1mbit/s. Whether I got connected to an East coast or West coast server really shouldn't be noticeable in throughput at those kind of speeds. There's a whole other discussion in this, from the providers POV that could affect the stream experience (even distribution of users and such), but that's not what we're discussing.I'm sorry, but you're wrong in the assumption that only a physical close DNS server will give you the closest available service. Look up "Anycast" on Wikipedia. If set up correctly, you will get the closer server no matter which DNS you query. In the context of this thread (about Justin.tv) who as far as I can tell, only have servers in California (Berkeley/San Francisco), it doesn't matter which DNS you query - they will all direct you to the same end point. Whoa! This discussion was about DNS vs. sustained download speeds (throughput). Not ping times. I'm not arguing that using certain DNS services can improve your browsing speeds, I'm arguing that throughput against a single specific server is non-DNS related. Best Regards, Justin.tv had multiple endpoints up until they decided to go on their own and drop amazon and akamai recently. I was under the impression, before reading an article or two, that they were still with those 2 companies which provide end points globally. Maybe once Justin is finished with their transition to their solo venture then things will improve? So in this situation I'll agree with you that dns isn't gonna help with connectivity to a cdn that only has 2 ip's currently in the same data center. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On March 09 2011 11:07 R1CH wrote: Are you getting packet loss? What's your OS? Have you tweaked your TCP settings? Any proxy / firewall software? Why do you hate the TL horse mascot? LOL, Ad-block is on for him! xD I love how you actually caught that while none of the others did! xD What do you think would be better to stream? Chrome, FF or IE? | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
LOL, Ad-block is on for him! xD I love how you actually caught that while none of the others did! xD What do you think would be better to stream? Chrome, FF or IE? different browsers shouldn't make any difference in viewing streams, they all use flash to load the player anyway | ||
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whatever292
Canada21 Posts
Any suggestions on what I can do to fix it or is it all on justintv's end? | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4189/justintvinvitationaljus.jpg) on own3d.tv - No Lag ![[image loading]](http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6649/justintvinvitationalown.jpg) and to add insult to injury, on my justin.tv forum account that i posted this thread with, all of my posts are required to be reviewed by a moderator before they are posted i made a new justin.tv forum account, and the new account doesn't require moderator review seriously? | ||
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Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:57 BeanerBurrito wrote:i was just forced to watch the justin.tv invitational - Lag slow down there buddy, nobody forced you to watch that On March 20 2011 06:57 BeanerBurrito wrote:and to add insult to injury, on my justin.tv forum account that i posted this thread with, all of my posts are required to be reviewed by a moderator before they are posted i made a new justin.tv forum account, and the new account doesn't require moderator review seriously? well that is just an ass move by justin.tv unless you were flaming them, then that's an understandable action. I also always feel lag spikes only on justin.tv and no other streaming site. What annoys me most is not that justin.tv lags but that they got casters to switch by promosing that they will fix the european lag issues in the near future. Which they did remedy to some degree, but if I can't watch a 240p on justin.tv but be fine watching a 720p stream from own3d then that is just not anywhere near "fixed"-status. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
i wanted to watch the justin.tv invitational and because of horrible lag i was unable to watch it on any justin.tv stream, and therefore had to use an own3d.tv stream to be able to watch video, instead of a slideshow the post on their forum is linked in the op, check it out and see if you think i was flaming lol | ||
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