EPTNew mouse: Razer Deathadder vs. Logitech MX518
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Axion12
11 Posts
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Goodseed
Korea (South)270 Posts
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Glueburn
United States496 Posts
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killamane
United States138 Posts
its aslo very customizable, as you can set your mouse specs however you want with a program that comes with the habu. out of 10, i rate the habu a 36 | ||
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
overall its the Polling Rate. u cant change it on the MX518 | ||
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arcHoniC
United States141 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
Also, do you only play SC2 or also other stuff? For me, the Deathadder was the obvious choice because there is (or at least was) no other mouse with as high a malfunction- and perfect control speeds as the DA. It was important because I play arena shooters as well (Warsow, Quake, UT), and you need *very* fast mouse movements if you play those games on low sensitivity settings. Most mice would already start skipping or glitching at the speeds you play Quake at - including the MX518. Also, I couldn't stand the hard plastic feel of the 518. The shape was decent, but the material really was a dealbreaker. It feels cold and uncomfortable, because I tend to get clammy hands when playing. -- Really though, you can't go wrong with either mouse. The MX518 is more dependable I guess, but the Deathadder is the better performing mouse. Decide for yourself if you need that extra performance or are really rough with your mouse while playing (slamming it around on the mousepad, etc). HOWEVER, and I know you didn't ask about this: you really should just pick the mouse that fits your playstyle/hand best. Deathadder is a mouse that is perfectly suited for palm grip (putting your entire hand+palm on the mouse, moving from wrist/arm), while it is just a tad too large to be used as claw grip (using your fingers to push the mouse around, wrist is down on the mousepad). The MX518 is better suited to this claw-style. Just try one of them out in a store near you and see how it feels. | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
HOWEVER, and I know you didn't ask about this: you really should just pick the mouse that fits your playstyle/hand best. Yup. This is more important than anything else. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
Thats just my two sense.. The main thing you wanna do is try them out. At least get a feel for them. A retail store like bestbuy may have ones out on display so you can determine if you would be able to use it comfortably or not. | ||
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:31 Axion12 wrote: Hey guys, I've been surfing around the forums here looking for advice on getting a new mouse. From what I've gathered, two relatively inexpensive and well-performing mice are the Razer Deathadder and the Logitech MX518. The logitech has lower dpi (400-1600) compared to the 3500 of the Deathadder but I've also heard that anything more than 1800 can actually be troublesome for RTS. I'd love to get everyone's opinion because I don't have too much knowledge on the topic myself. Thanks! I was about to write yet another rant about how people seem to be unable to use the search function to wade through the million mouse threads on this board, but then I realized it's useless. You won't check again after this thread has done what it's there for and others like you won't either (hence the recurrence of this issue again and again and again). So instead, I'll just comment on both mouse models and urge you to use the search function for future queries. For starters, check this thread which compares the Deathadder to the Logitech G5 and is basically the same, including me ranting about people not using the search function. Most important piece of advice: Try to get your hands on both of the mice (literally, i.e. check with a retailer) before buying one. The "feel" of a mouse is much more important than price, customization, drivers etc can ever be. Because if you're not comfortable with it, nothing else will make up for it. Deathadder vs. MX18 Make sure you know exactly what you want from a mouse. Precision? Should it be cheap? Macro controls? Customization? Ergonomic design? Light/Heavy/Customizable weigth? There's a ton of things to consider, so study the way you're currently using your mouse and find answers. Then check professional reviews (do not rely on amateur reviews á la "the Deathadder is the greatest mouse evar I'm so happy with it!!!11") Make sure you know how you hold your mouse. In the thread I linked and elsewhere on the web you'll find information about palm, claw, finger grip techniques. Check which one it is you're using, and judge if you'll be able to handle either mouse with it. The Deathadder for example sucks for claw grip, but is a perfect palm grip mouse. Misconceptions: - DPI settings aren't troublesome. You can either get used to higher DPI settings or you can throttle the value with the software/drivers. Don't worry about 3500 DPI messing up your control, won't happen My personal recommendation: If you're unsure, get the MX518. It's lighter, cheaper, is known to have less technical issues than the various Deathadder models and it's shape makes it better to use with other techniques than palm grip. | ||
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Greek820
Canada210 Posts
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
Are you a palm/claw gripper? Do you have large hands? Then either the DeathAdder or MX518 would be great for you. The DPI doesn't really matter, 1600 DPI and 1800 DPI is negligible when it comes to Starcraft II. For me personally, I play at 1800 DPI as 3500 is way too sensitive for my tastes on my DeathAdder. I'm also a claw gripper and the DeathAdder fits me well, despite the concerns that another mouse may be better suited for claw grippers such as myself. If you're a fingertip gripper, you might want to look elsewhere for a smaller and lighter mouse. Something like the Razer Salmosa would be perfect for Starcraft II. It's compact, light, and an overall great mouse. | ||
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Axion12
11 Posts
 @sawedust, I did have a slight concern that as nice as the deathadder is, it might not fit well with my claw grip as it seems to be more of a palm grip mouse, but it's nice to know that you have found it works even with that grip. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed! | ||
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Axion12
11 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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Cadgers
United States514 Posts
It's very easy to change the DPI with or without drivers for both mice but just because a mouse can use that DPI, i.e 3500 doesn't mean you have to use it. Just pick the DPI that you feel comfortable with. Also, the new all black Deathadder is really slick looking. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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politik
409 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
If you run the game at the lowest resolution possible, you will not need high DPI. If you run the game at a very high (2MegaPixel+) resolution, you would probably want high DPI. Aside from that, there's also persnoal sensitivity preference. I am running at 1600x1200, which is quite high resolution, and my mouse's maximum sensitivity of 2000 DPI barely does/doesn't cut it for me. I can live with 2000 DPI, but it's just too low for me. I would say if you just want a very basic mouse with improved DPI, go for the deathadder — mx518 seems too low DPI for now-a-days unless you still run programs and games at low resolution, and continue to plan on doing so for the entire time you have the mouse for. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
MX518 cause: BIG, BIG TEFLON FEET LOL The Dpi button is really helpful for me, cause im used to it (switched from lachesis). 1800DPI is all you need So...So.... inexpensive. you dont need flashy lights on the top of the mouse, it just matters whats on the inside and the feel of it. Go for MX518 if you feel guilty for spending on a mouse over 50 bucks. Oh, and theres no rubber coating on top, its on the sides where you need it. Go for Deathadder if you like flashy lights and nice software customization. Rubberized coating on top never hurts, but its 10 bucks more expensive. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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skp
Canada134 Posts
The feel is most important. The DPI isn't a problem as either mice is good enough for SC2 and FPS games. The only thing about the MX518 is that it feels most comfortable with the palm grip. Your middle finger goes on the mouse wheel and your ring finger on the right mouse button. Any other grip feels weird on it but I've grown used to it. I don't think the DA has this problem. | ||
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Solis_Fonte
63 Posts
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
It's nice n small and never had any issues with it feels great in the hand.Was a touch expensive, but didn't bother me it was a gift! :D | ||
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JaYbOc
Australia97 Posts
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Wordpad
Denmark154 Posts
Personally I think it's a bad decision going with a DeathAdder / MX518 if your the gamer who likes to "claw" your mouse (coming from a gamer who has 1+ years experience with both). I liked both mice a LOT while I had them, but found out that the Razer Diamondback 3G was much better for me, because of it's light weight, ergonomics suited for a "claw" gamer, and high dpi so I can maintain the sensitivity that I want while maintaining a 1:1 ratio pixel movement, so no need to fuck up mouse movement with software The only "downside" is that the driver software doesn't allow you to change the polling rate, but it doesn't really matter since you can do so by other means. Just remember to turn off mouse acceleration whatever mouse you go with. Additional reading: http://purehighspeed.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83 Oh and day9 uses the Diamondback aswell :D | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
On March 08 2011 09:32 Axion12 wrote: @sawedust, I did have a slight concern that as nice as the deathadder is, it might not fit well with my claw grip as it seems to be more of a palm grip mouse, but it's nice to know that you have found it works even with that grip. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed! I have to admit, coming from a Logitech Mini Optical (which essentially forced me to go fingertip despite my lifelong preference for claw) I had a very difficult time adjusting to the size and weight of the DeathAdder. But once I got used to it, I found the mouse to be a lot more accurate and smoother than my LMO was. If I had the money I'd probably try out a Salmosa or Abyssus as they would probably be better for me and my style. As the majority have stated, the MX518 and DeathAdder are two of the most highly recommended gaming mice. Choose whatever is more comfortable for you! | ||
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JetGillLee
Australia43 Posts
Nice drivers too. Might wanna change the scroll wheel speed like RIGHT down to minimum though. I had to. I've dropped this thing like.. 30 times now and it still works perfectly. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
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JanBanan
Norway29 Posts
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phantaxx
United States201 Posts
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Tisp
Canada209 Posts
GREAT PURCHASES! I grinded out 600 ladder points last night after finally getting used to the new keyboard. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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Dugrok
Canada377 Posts
Unfortunately however, it died last week while installing a driver for another device. It's not even a year old yet  . I called Razer and they said they would be more than happy to RMA it, but I needed to email them a proof of purchase, which I can't seem to find. In other words, DeathAdder, great mouse, but make sure you keep your receipt, and preferably, unplug it when installing drivers lol. | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
you dont need over 1600 dpi anyway btw, so dont let that be the deciding factor | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:31 Axion12 wrote: Hey guys, I've been surfing around the forums here looking for advice on getting a new mouse. From what I've gathered, two relatively inexpensive and well-performing mice are the Razer Deathadder and the Logitech MX518. The logitech has lower dpi (400-1600) compared to the 3500 of the Deathadder but I've also heard that anything more than 1800 can actually be troublesome for RTS. I'd love to get everyone's opinion because I don't have too much knowledge on the topic myself. Thanks! I'm pretty sure you're supposed to maximize DPI and then lower windows sensitivity as it is supposed to be a modifier of some sorts. Sort of like how you don't take a picture in low resolution as opposed to taking a picture in highest resolution and lowering the size to what you want. This is just what I've heard and going off that I do 5600 DPI with windows notch on 1 and game sensitivity on like 15. I slowed it down a lot since Greg convinced me you don't need to have the highest possible sensitivity to play. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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soundhorizon
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soujiro75
El Salvador43 Posts
As a mouse, it's really precize, I saw an old review in this webpage and that convinced me... however, it's kind of large and heavy (compared to your average cheap desktop mouse)... if you have palm grip (rest you hand over the mouse) this mouse is great amd really confortable... about the dpi, it's true that a really high number is just overkill, but it depends on the size of your screen, if you've never used a high dpi mouse (fast), you don't really need that... | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
On March 08 2011 20:01 sawedust wrote: I have to admit, coming from a Logitech Mini Optical (which essentially forced me to go fingertip despite my lifelong preference for claw) I had a very difficult time adjusting to the size and weight of the DeathAdder. But once I got used to it, I found the mouse to be a lot more accurate and smoother than my LMO was. If I had the money I'd probably try out a Salmosa or Abyssus as they would probably be better for me and my style. As the majority have stated, the MX518 and DeathAdder are two of the most highly recommended gaming mice. Choose whatever is more comfortable for you! Omg T.T me too i came from a LMO (greastest mouse ever) using a fingertip grip, but then the sensitivity is just too low for SC2 ( cuz i have a 1680X1050 screen), i mean i wouldnt mind going at it if it was a 1280 screen, but still, i love it. Razer mice feels really, really expensive even though its relatively good in price =D | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
On March 09 2011 10:19 LanTAs wrote: Omg T.T me too i came from a LMO (greastest mouse ever) using a fingertip grip, but then the sensitivity is just too low for SC2 ( cuz i have a 1680X1050 screen), i mean i wouldnt mind going at it if it was a 1280 screen, but still, i love it. Razer mice feels really, really expensive even though its relatively good in price =D Same issue, 1680x1050 screen. Mouse wasn't as accurate as I'd hoped it would be. However in the pro player mouse/keyboard guide looks like a lot of players are still going strong with their LMO. Even Boxer played with his LMO until he got the Razer deal, where he switched to the DeathAdder. So far I have no complaints about my DeathAdder as opposed to many others who have that stigma about Razer gear. Everything is working absolutely fine and I'm loving it. | ||
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leviathan400
United Kingdom393 Posts
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