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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 07 2011 02:36 GMT
#161
Yea just tried to do a USB Ubuntu 32-bit install. It gets to the big screen saying Ubuntu with a bunch of options like install from usb, install to HDD, options, help, and is locked up. My keyboard won't work on that screen, its like its frozen.

I think the motherboard must be broken from that fucking zap. And the HDD LED doesnt come on even though in BIOS it's recognized. I think I'll try a CMOS reset with switching the jumper (which I'll probably fuck up and break it that ways if it isnt broken already).

I think its broken. i mean, what else could it be? i have no idea what the FUCK is going on.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 07 2011 02:42 GMT
#162
On February 07 2011 11:24 Sablar wrote:
Win7 was never meant to be installed from USB-drives so it's not suprising that you run into some difficulties.

Normal mistakes with this would be putting the 1 .iso file on the USB stick or just copying files from the ISO-file onto the usb-drive. Another bad idea is putting the files on the .iso in a folder on the USB.

If you GF unknowingly touched the computer for some reason I don't see how that could suprise you so much. Sounds more like the computer shocked her than the other way around. Anyway I don't think it should break a motherboard.


Yea I did a few things like copy and pasting the folder, as well as the contents of the folder, but that's what online guides said to do. I never did just a simple copy and paste of the single ISO file.

So this mystery CD has the same contents as that 7-zip file I downloaded from the link the guy in an above post said to download and do, didn't work, and instead got stuck at that "Installing Windows" screen after windows did the whole "loading files" twice. there's like 2 little dots, and they move like an inch, like the beginning of the windows logo animation, before freezing.

And my girlfriend touched the mobo when the power supply wasn't even ever plugged into a power supply cable, much less into a socket, so it not only didnt have power, it never had power, and it never even was plugged in, to get power to store. She shocked it with static electricity, plain and simple, on the thingy that sticks out on the mobo that has the port for an internet broadband cable, I think. That or one of the other ports, like the audio port or USB ports.

People online with the same problem reported the fix being a CMOS reset or, most commonly, a Corsair 950w power supply as the problem. Most of the issues are freezes at other places though, and/or doing an upgrade or clean install to a computer that had some other operating system on it and had worked before on another OS.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 04:35:53
February 07 2011 04:34 GMT
#163
FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!WOOT!

So I was literally 1 last try from dismantling everything, putting my motherboard into the packaging, going out on the street and begging for gas money (literally, im broke. theres not even pennies in my change jar or in the couch) so I could scrounge up around $5 so I could ship it back to Newegg and said it came DOA...

... and leave out the part about how my girlfriend zapped it to death with static electricity.

And I did the one thing I saw on the forums that I didn't do, the one thing that was so last on the list and was only mentioned by one, ignored poster. This was, by the way, after I did a CMOS jumper reset, which I had no clue what I was really doing but knew it could do damage if done wrong (it was simple though).

I was beginning to realize (albiet wrongly) that my computer motherboard was dead. Everytime Ubuntu booted from USB, both 32 and 64 bit, it froze on the installation screen. Keyboard wouldn't work, no animations, and the power button wouldn't work. Same thing on Windows "Starting Windows" installation screen.

So I disabled the floppy drive. I heard a lot about disabling everything unnecessary, but my keyboard is USB and i can't really go and buy a PS2 keyboard.

And Ubuntu started up right away! Keyboard worked, cute animation present. My girlfriend was happy (because she cant say she broke it, but I hear static kills the computer slowly over a month, so shes not off the hook), but I said fuck that...

And put on my pirated Windows 7. I ran into a problem because I wasn't using my pirated Windows 7, but someone's elses (remember I said it was a mystery CD that worked, when the CD I made didn't, at least, it got to the windows boot even though it froze). But, I simply took the CD I made, and started up the activator-loader in it, and wallah, I have a 'genuine' Windows now. Now I just hope whoever made that CD is as thorough as I am and didn't have a virus on it.

I'll be sure to post benchmarks soon. Right now my Windows Experience is 1, because I have no graphics drivers.
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
February 07 2011 05:11 GMT
#164
Turn on computer
Spam F8 or F2 or [DEL]

Change Boot order to the following
1. DVD drive
2. Harddrive

3. Press [F10] or "Save and Quit"
4. Press [Y]
5. Wait for restart
6. Open DVD drive
7. Insert Windows Disc
8. Wait for extraction
9. Reformat options
10. Install Windows
11. Wait ~10-20 minutes
12. Restart
13. Go back and change boot order
14. Take out the disc from DVD drive
15. Restart
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jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
February 07 2011 05:41 GMT
#165
that is so weird to me. Your computer is modern, and what's messing it up is not disabling a floppy drive (that no one uses anymore). I've never heard of that one before. I've fixed old computers and not having a floppy drive has never been a problem.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 07 2011 06:19 GMT
#166
What I read a few (read: not most) times was people saying to disable absolutely everything, like the hard drives, and the USB ports, especially the USB, as well as the floppy. I think one person even said he disabled everything, including the floppy which he suspected was the issue.

But I don't think anyone ever said straight up "the floppy is the problem", and the most common issue was something to do with the Corsair 950w Power supply, which I don't have. Disabling the floppy was all it took though, I don't think that would've ever been figured out otherwise.

Anyways, quick question:

So I installed drivers for my mouse (friend got me a Steelseries Kinzu Optical 'cuz idra uses one' for my birthday), and GTX 460 (both nvdia gtx 460 driver and msi afterburner overclocker utility). However, due to lack of CD drive (I installed my computer by taking my roommates computer while he was watching the super bowl next door, unplugged his SATA cable and put it into my computer, and turned both on at same time) I can't install the CDs I have, and having trouble figuring out what to download for Biostar motherboard.

The web page for Biostar drivers is sort of weird, it lists a million things for a million different parts of the motherboard. Which do I download? my computer is working fine, so I don't really know why I would need these drivers (i mean i get you need a gpu driver to activate your gpu, but your motherboard doesnt really do anything but connect the components right?).

Here's the page:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/driver.php?S_ID=450
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 07 2011 06:37 GMT
#167
Motherboard drivers usually involve the chipset, lan, audio, usb controllers, sata controllers, and any other things that come with the motherboard such as bluetooth. You should be installing all of these if you want the best performance out of your components.

Drivers will often increase performance, fix bugs, and give you more options. However, sometimes drivers are required to be installed for the component to work (ex. USB3.0).
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 07:12:44
February 07 2011 07:11 GMT
#168
oh okay ill install all of them.

how exactly do i unlock the 4th core on my athlon x3, and is there any drawbacks to doing so? is this something to do with updating my 'chipset'?

sorry to ask, im searching google im searching!

and the OS for these drivers is not always windows 7, specifically, the USB and CPU ones.
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jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
February 07 2011 23:37 GMT
#169
go to the bios and look for the option that says core unlock. Your motherboard must be able to support it. I think the box should mention it as a feature.

Drawback is that it might not be stable. The extra core is usually disabled because it did not pass quality control. You're supposed to use a program that stress test your cpu.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#170
^ yea check out one of the liinks of my motherboard, I always had planned for the same motherboard so I've pasted the link and model everywhere where I reiterate my build, which I made sure to do every page at least.

It has ACC apparently, and in startup there is bios-unLocking (I tried it quickly and my 'phenom x4M couldn't boot so maybe unstable, maybe driver issue). My model mobo isn't mentioned on the list at overclock.net but they say it needs a 770 north chipset which I have, and biostar as a brand is mentioned a lot, so I think its fine.

My main issue is with the drivers, since I have no idea what drivers I need to put on my computer for the motherboard. As I showed in the link above, a few drivers appear to not list Windows 7 64bit, and the page for Bios (just select bios tab on that page) says something like you don't need to update if stuff works. Plus, it isn't translated that clealy.

I know these may be dumb questions but it really isn't intuitive, seeing as how my computer works now. I'm getting a lot of knowledge quickly though, I learned about stepping, revisions, and have coretemp and cpu-z.
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jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 00:45:18
February 08 2011 00:41 GMT
#171
Chipset (I think that's onboard graphics), On-Board LAN, On-Board Audio have win7 64bit drivers. Just download and install those.

You can look around for more info. about unlocking cores. I don't know much about that. I heard for some CPU you can just look at the serial number to find out if it's unlockable.

Update: I just typed in "Athlon II X2 255 unlock" at google. The first results had people saying that CPU cannot be unlocked.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 08 2011 01:25 GMT
#172
^ Yea its the Stepping/Revision number, basically information about what batch it was made in and what did they do to touch up the CPU after being made. My CPU is BL-C3, which is a generally good revision (better than the C2, the only other one from what I've read).

So what about the CPU and USB, those ones I shouldn't download?

And what about the BIOS, do I download any of that?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 08 2011 01:37 GMT
#173
Chipset refers to the chip that communicates with all the different components which in this case is the AMD770.

You should only update the BIOS if you are experiencing stability issues, POST issues, or need it to support newer hardware / processors.

The USB drivers are there for Windows 2000 and XP so you don't need to download them if you are using Windows 7. Older operating systems needed the drivers for the USB ports to be recognized. Same situation as it is now with Windows 7 and USB 3.0, drivers are required to be installed before the computer recognizes the USB 3.0 ports.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 08 2011 02:21 GMT
#174
^ Perfect, Thanks.

Everything runs great, I had some Catalyst control center come up and a great tool to configure my audio settings, definately notice a difference with the updates.

Now I'm interested in unlocking (read: not oc'ing) but that is totally different material, so I'll work on getting those results up.

Logging on to SC2 yesterday, the default settings for everything (before drivers or any oc'ing or tinkering) was Ultra on everything, with High on textures, at around 62FPS. I think there may be a CPU limiting with the FPS. There were some weird stutters and flashes on the screen, but I haven't really played much at all, just a single vs Computer game, so its not really conclusive at all.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 08 2011 03:51 GMT
#175
ah before i mess with the settings or even try to i need to test stability, for my cpu/gpu/memory, which is 24 hors of trial for each one. I'll probably just do overnight, so more like 12-16 hours. That'll mean like 6 days before I try unlocking.

Anyways, I'll post some FPS stuff soon.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 09 2011 02:38 GMT
#176
Few questions about what do I need to download for my computer, as you generally need a bunch of things to really get things going.

I downloaded drivers for my: Java, BIOS, motherboard components, nvidia, msi overclocker utility. I have google chrome, and then I got prime95,cpu-z, coretemp, fraps

I don't know if I need a driver for my hdd, ram, or CPU. I know I need security, and was thinking of getting Microsoft Security Essentials, but there may be issues with pirated windows compatibility? In which case Avast 5 is the answer. I'm not sure if I need a firewall or is my Windows firewall fine, or any malware/adware. I just don't download dumb things and go to sketchy sites, so I've never had any trouble.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 09 2011 02:55 GMT
#177
RAM, HDD, and CPU do not require drivers. If you want to stresstest your memory, use Memtest86+. if you want to monitor the smart values of your HDD or benchmark it, use CrystalDisk or HD Tune Pro.

If you plan on overclocking your GPU with MSI Afterburner, it's probably best to download Furmark to stress test it.

If you have common sense than there's no need for anti-virus. I've never used anti-virus in my life until a year ago when Microsoft released their own >.>

You probably want Adobe Reader X (or a pdf reader of some sort), Microsoft Office 2010, Winrar/7zip, and an iso mounting program.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 09 2011 03:31 GMT
#178
I think my windows came with a unzipper (unless extracting files is something different....?), and I don't have a CD/DVD drive so no need for a burning utility/iso mounting. I will be sure to download adobe though, and yea I don't have an office utility so I'll either download a pirated office or openoffice for free (I graduated college recently I'm not writing one more god damn paper!).

On a related note, I ran Prime95 torture test for 14 hours and had no errors. I don't know if i did it 'exactly' right but everything was cloggingly slow until I managed to turn it off (my computer did turn off the screen and I had to log back in but I'm certain it was running that whole time). and there were no errors reported on any cores.

What Microsoft anti-virus are you referring to? I usually don't like antivirus programs because they interfere with gaming and I'm not that dumb, but seeing as this is my first, true computer, that I built, I would like to have some measure of safety. Now if it drops the framerate of SC2 more than .1111 fps, than I may not want it, but if its free and can have a mode to be in the background/turned off, why not have an antivirus/virus scanner/firewall/malware-adware-spyware blocker, et cetera?

Thanks for all your help though, I'm currently looking up information on unlocking a 4th core and cache (read: not overclocking, although may oc the gpu) and then posting benchmarks. I wont unlock or overclock at all until I get my 2gb ram stick in to get a 4gb ram total, and have run benchmarks on my system's CPU/GPU/memory to make sure everything is stable at stock settings (ie my girlfriend didnt break anything with that damn zap and I installed everything correctly!)

I think there are minor issues with SC2. I've only played a few games, both online and against AI. It seemed when I played AI, it would stutter every 20 seconds shortly, for about 2 seconds, where I could click everywhere and that little click thing where it shows where you clicked lags there so I could place a bunch everywhere on the screen (and it didnt matter if my settings were on ultra or low), but I think this is a RAM issue and I don't think it happened during online play. Also, when playing/playing online, my screen has a really fast, quick, flash (like blacks) but the flash is barely perceivable by the eye, and happens like every 40 seconds. Its really unnoticeable, but I would like to get rid of it eventually. I think its just my RAM is low, and I havent tooled around enough yet. But it did seem my framerate was about 60 on Ultra on everything.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 09 2011 03:43 GMT
#179
I haven't used the default windows unzip thing since like 1997 so ya... it's been a long time and I'm not even sure if it can extract rar files. Since you pirated Windows, I'd assume you download a lot of rar files which would need extracting =p

I was referring to Microsoft Security Essentials. If you want anti-virus, I'd recommend getting yourself a copy of nod32. Easily one of the best non-intrusive anti-virus software out there.

I don't think the stuttering is caused by the RAM. If you search stuttering and SC2, you'll get a lot of results... >.> It's been mentioned on the bnet forums more than a dozen times without acknowledgement from any blues.

As for the flashing, it may have something to do with the refresh rate of your monitor.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 09 2011 06:49 GMT
#180
^ Every thread about the stuttering never has an answer. It's just a lot of people saying different types of stutter (sometimes long, sometimes short, sometimes gets worse with quality/more units sometimes not.). I think mine is caused by RAM, but I'm not certain, and it's not that bad. i haven't really been able to pinpoint exactly what it is since it varies, but the jist of it is minor stuttering that occurs either every 20 seconds or less. It seems worse at the start of the match, but again, I haven't really tested it too much. It's not unplayable.

But yea, from what I've read either it was a beta issue (ie threads are really old on it...) or a driver issue (which I imagined nvidia updated by now, again, old). I'll post a thread about it if it keeps happening once I get the extra RAM tommorow/day after.

Flashing isn't consistent, or even noticeably. I think it went away? It's really hard to notice.

I've read a bit about nod32, it seems that the 2 best security suites are either Avast 5 or Microsoft Security Essentials/MSE.
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