The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 81

On August 19 2012 14:05 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
Is there a list of mice with absolutely no mouse acceleration/prediction?

On January 17 2012 10:30 MisterFred wrote:
There's prediction, and there's prediction. Basically, a mouse sends periodic signals to your computer updating the coordinates it reads. The coordinates it reads periodically. As in not constantly. Therefore, in order to provide fluid motion for your cursor, the mouse or its drivers predicts your mouse's movement.

Fun math word problems! You do use them in the real world!

If you move your mouse in a straight line from pixel (100,100) to pixel (100,120) and the mouse polls (reports its position) four times during that movement, the mouse only has zero prediction when the cursor is at pixel coordinates (100,100), (100,105), (100,110), (100,115), and (100,120) - the starting point and the four polling reports during and at the end of the movement.

But, your computer does not show your mouse jumping multiple pixels at a time, appearing to move in small "teleports," as it would if there was zero prediction. Instead, the mouse appears to move smoothly & fluidly, in this case correctly predicting a straight line but in actual fact using "prediction" when you see the mouse cursor moving through pixel coordinates (100,101), (100,102), (100,103), (100,104), etc.

This is why increasing the polling rate reduces prediction - the software only has to guess for shorter "jumps", rather than the longer jumps it has to guess if it reports less often. But prediction is necessary to the appearance of a fluidly moving cursor. For every mouse, laser and optical.

When most people say a mouse has "no prediction" the mean it works as above - but EVERY mouse still uses prediction. When some gamers consider it to be a problem is when software or hardware tries to 'correct' unsteady movements by the mouse user. For instance, let us say that a high prediction mouse assumes the user wants the cursor to move in a line from pixel coordinates (100,100) to (100,120). However, the starting point and the four polling points actually report as: (100,100), (101,105), (99,110), (102, 115), (98,120). Note the changes in the X-axis. A mouse with medium or high prediction will still move the cursor in a straight line from (100,100) to (100,120). This is the prediction gamers hate, because they (sometimes falsely, sometimes accurately) assume that prediction will cause them to be a few pixels off their intended target.

One of the problems in testing, however, is that since people are not 100% accurate in their aim, it is really hard to tell which mice has only the first, necessary type of prediction, and which mice employ the added layer of prediction following.

Note: I typed this in part to explain it to myself. If I'm wrong on the basic concepts described here, please correct me.

Speaking of which, anyone know if a Naos 3200 at 1000mhz (max) polling rate needs to worry about the second kind of prediction?

On August 19 2012 14:05 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
Is there a list of mice with absolutely no mouse acceleration/prediction?

On August 19 2012 23:02 Tellus wrote:
I turned off any acceleration, deactivated sc2 sensitivity in game and I play with 2000 dpi with 5/10 windows sensitivity on a G9x. Feels very good. Although I think I've spammed my left click a bit too much, feels a bit wonky.

On August 20 2012 09:25 Illuminati101 wrote:
Hey guys, im about to buy a ss sensei raw in its glossy black version (they dont have the rubberized version here in Peru), so i want to know if this is the right decision or not. I would like comments from people that own both versions plz, thanks in advance.

On August 21 2012 02:34 wo1fwood wrote:

it is (but not raw). For a more detailed description, see the windows sensitivity settings section in the tech guide linked in the OP.

On August 20 2012 09:25 Illuminati101 wrote:
Hey guys, im about to buy a ss sensei raw in its glossy black version (they dont have the rubberized version here in Peru), so i want to know if this is the right decision or not. I would like comments from people that own both versions plz, thanks in advance.

On August 24 2012 13:14 nucleo wrote:

I have experience with the Xai, Sensei and Sensei raw rubberized... also with the deathAdder
I cant reallt tell you if it's the right descision or not as it's it very individual but over all out of the three I think the raw is the best value for the money.

if I consider the death adder (that I got for like 15$ cheaper then the sensei raw) then ill have to give it the edge, however it is not as comfortable for me.

I dont have small hands and i constantly switch between claw and full palm and I find rubberized versions of all mice better for me, you can try ordering from their website.

again, in general i find that it is all very subjective, if i would put it to extremes my setup goes like this:

working in Maya i really like the MS intelliMouse explorer 3.1 on QCK but the non rubberizing bothers me so long session are moving me back to the sensei

working in zbrush when my wacom is not with me: sensei Raw on 4HD/icematt glass surface

gaming: i find the razer DA on cloth to give me the best feel but the raw kicks ass just as well on hard surface

now note that this is just my subjective non-expert opinions of how i feel
and i'm in no way an expert gosu gamer as well (:

edit-more on topic and straight to the point: just to clarify, as for the sensei Raw Rubberized vs the regular Sensei (which is kind of glossy), in terms of comfort only - i think the rubberized is a much better choice for ME. If your hands are sweaty or slightly sweaty i think rubberized versions really are far superior.
check the price if you order directly from SS site.