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On February 18 2012 09:58 MgSnake1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +awesome, that was really helpful. That combo deal w/ the i5 2400 and and 8gb pretty much adds 4gb for $10. I will go with that PSU. That tower is nice but it is out of stock :\. I wasn't really sure what OEM was, lol- thanks for clearing it up.
For the motherboard, I looked at the H61 vs H67- is the only difference between USB 2 and 3 upload/download speed? From what I understand, the graphics card will come with an HDMI port anyways so that shouldn't be something to worry about
H67 has SATA 6Gbps and H61 does not. Some manufacturers use another chipset for SATA 6Gbps on H61 (but native Intel is always better). If you want to get an SSD later than you'll want SATA 6Gbps.
I didn't notice the Outlaw was out of stock. You can get a HAF912 for $50: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1315 If you want something cheaper than a Fractal Design Core 1000 for $39: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58341&promoid=1315 (mATX tower so you have to have a mATX or smaller motherboard).
For future reference, OEM is original equipment manufacturer which means that you get only the component and nothing else. No cables, no manual, no nothing but the component itself. Drives generally come as OEM, the motherboard will provide the necessary SATA cable for it.
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im starting to feel like buying a computer pre built is just as good as building it yourself. parts and time are coasting me
way more in the end
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On February 18 2012 10:16 Floyd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +im starting to feel like buying a computer pre built is just as good as building it yourself. parts and time are coasting me
way more in the end
You're doing something wrong than lol.
Building yourself gets you a significantly less expensive / better computer even after you factor in labour.
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On February 18 2012 10:16 Floyd wrote:
im starting to feel like buying a computer pre built is just as good as building it yourself. parts and time are coasting me
way more in the end
Time is obvious but purchasing individual components are cheaper, better quality and variety. You're just lacking any effort into doing it.
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On February 18 2012 10:06 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:58 MgSnake1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +awesome, that was really helpful. That combo deal w/ the i5 2400 and and 8gb pretty much adds 4gb for $10. I will go with that PSU. That tower is nice but it is out of stock :\. I wasn't really sure what OEM was, lol- thanks for clearing it up.
For the motherboard, I looked at the H61 vs H67- is the only difference between USB 2 and 3 upload/download speed? From what I understand, the graphics card will come with an HDMI port anyways so that shouldn't be something to worry about H67 has SATA 6Gbps and H61 does not. Some manufacturers use another chipset for SATA 6Gbps on H61 (but native Intel is always better). If you want to get an SSD later than you'll want SATA 6Gbps. I didn't notice the Outlaw was out of stock. You can get a HAF912 for $50: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1315 If you want something cheaper than a Fractal Design Core 1000 for $39: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58341&promoid=1315 (mATX tower so you have to have a mATX or smaller motherboard). For future reference, OEM is original equipment manufacturer which means that you get only the component and nothing else. No cables, no manual, no nothing but the component itself. Drives generally come as OEM, the motherboard will provide the necessary SATA cable for it.
I like that tower, it's a little bit more but I wasn't too crazy about the blue lights on the others... it has good reviews too. Thanks for clearing up what OEM means.
So from what I understand, it is not worth it for me to get the Radeon 6850 instead of the 6770 because I only plan on using it for SC2 high/ultra.
Also, I do not plan on getting an SSD, so the motherboard should be H61. However, this ASRock motherboard here has SATA 6gbps, Intel chip, HDMI with USB3 also, for another $10- is this what you were talking about w/ the manufacturer using another chipset, or would this work too (and give me a little flexibility)?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236
otherwise, I take it the one you suggested earlier has enough ports for everything else I need?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241
Is there any difference between a micro-ATX and a regular ATX, other than reduced ports?
Here is an updated look at my build right now to reference:
Processor and Memory: Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (combo w/ 8gb RAM)- $221
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.818463
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB- $76
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1315
Case: Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case- $50
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1315
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green EA-430D Green 430W Continuous power- $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034
DVD Drive: Liteon IHAS124 24X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM- $16
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244&promoid=1315
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Yes, Asrock uses another chipset to provide USB3 and SATA 6Gbps for the H61M U3S3. The Asrock H61M-VS has all the ports for a basic configuration. It's your choice whether to spend the money for more / better connectivity. There's no difference between mATX and ATX besides the size.
If you play at 1080p than I'd suggest getting the 6850 for $140: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125353 If you play at a lower resolution than you can get the 6770 for $100.
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So, for $10 basically I get an extra HDMI and an upgraded USB. If that's right than I think I'll go with the first one you suggested
That graphics card is a pretty good deal (and the cost drops to $120 w/ a rebate). I think I'd like to actually play in 1080p. I take it this will drive my monitor selection? What is an average price range for a monitor that would support this? ( I will probably be getting at best buy since I have a $50 gift card there, so cost isn't as much an issue as getting something appropriately priced is)
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1080p monitors range from $100 to $500+.
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On February 18 2012 10:16 Floyd wrote:
im starting to feel like buying a computer pre built is just as good as building it yourself. parts and time are coasting me
way more in the end
Unless you are a top level executive making between $500-$900 an hour building your own computer is worth it. You can spare an hour out of your day to build a computer as that is really all it takes.
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That looks decent, but I have a couple issues with it:
The RAM is rated at 1.65V, but 1.5V is what you're supposed to use for Sandy Bridge. It will work, but it's not ideal, for long-term reliability. You can easily switch around the RAM and get a different CPU combo, for lesser price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161468
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.822375
Are you sure about spending that little on the monitor, or getting something that's actually a resolution like 1280x1024? For that total build cost, I'd consider getting an i3 and a better monitor, than an i5 and a worse monitor. I'd think the i5 is a decent investment though, even for SC2 (because of L3 cache really, not the extra cores), so I'd recommend keeping the i5 and just reconsider the monitor price range.
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On February 18 2012 15:34 MgSnake1 wrote:
For the RAM, I take it that just means a 1.65 V uses more power over the long term, which degrades the processor over time?
It will cause the RAM to have a shorter life.
Edit* On February 18 2012 15:44 Myrmidon wrote:
Not really.
Well, i know that raising the CPU's voltage decreases the life expectancy, so i thought it would apply to RAM as well.
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Not really. Everything these days will have at least one kind of DVI, HDMI, or DisplayPort input and thus will work with any modern graphics card. Or you could even use analog VGA, though why would you in the year 2012?
Those don't particularly seem like impressive prices, though I don't really know much about these cheaper HP monitors.
The power cord used for the power supply isn't exactly an exotic standard used only for computer power supplies, so you may have one lying around somewhere. Anyway, they're not terribly expensive, and I'm sure you could find one cheaper than this if you really looked around:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270406
The issue with the RAM is more the voltage and not the power consumed by the RAM. The RAM is rated for those speeds and that voltage, so it should do fine at those levels. The concern is with the memory controller on the CPU, interfacing with RAM operating at that voltage. Again, these things aren't completely precise; people overvolt all sorts of parts of their processor or supplementary chips to overclock, generally with no ill effects if done reasonably.
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Ok guys, I'd appreciate your help. I've had enough playing SC2 at max of 12 fps on the absolute lowest settings.
Budget:
Up to around $1000 ideally.
Resolution:
1920x1200
Using it for:
Mostly gaming.
Upgrade cycle:
Not sure.
When will build it:
As soon as I'm sure I know what I want to get.
Overclocking:
Yes.
Operating System:
Yeah, I'm going to have to buy an OEM copy of Windows.
Second GPU for SLI or Crossfire:
Nope.
Parts From:
Internet, in the US.
Here's what I'm thinking so far:
CPU - i5-200k at $200-230
Motherboard - Asrock P67 at $100
Ram - 8GB at $30-40
GPU - 6870 at $170
Case - Coolermaster haf 912 at $50
HSF - Coolermaster hyper 212 at $23
HDD - Seagate barracuda 7200 500 GB at $76
OS - Windows OEM at $100
Total so far: $789 or so.
What I'm missing: PSU, DVD drive, Monitor, and Speakers. For the monitor, I'd like 1080p with 1920x1200 resolution; The prices for these seem to vary quite a bit and I have no idea what distinguishes good monitors from bad. Also, I don't have a clue about PSUs.
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.
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so I build my first pc yesterday. Its really cool but my case smells horrible like cheap plastic... Anyone know how to get rid of this?
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On February 18 2012 19:43 AntiPlaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok guys, I'd appreciate your help. I've had enough playing SC2 at max of 12 fps on the absolute lowest settings.
Budget:
Up to around $1000 ideally.
Resolution:
1920x1200
Using it for:
Mostly gaming.
Upgrade cycle:
Not sure.
When will build it:
As soon as I'm sure I know what I want to get.
Overclocking:
Yes.
Operating System:
Yeah, I'm going to have to buy an OEM copy of Windows.
Second GPU for SLI or Crossfire:
Nope.
Parts From:
Internet, in the US.
Here's what I'm thinking so far:
CPU - i5-200k at $200-230
Motherboard - Asrock P67 at $100
Ram - 8GB at $30-40
GPU - 6870 at $170
Case - Coolermaster haf 912 at $50
HSF - Coolermaster hyper 212 at $23
HDD - Seagate barracuda 7200 500 GB at $76
OS - Windows OEM at $100
Total so far: $789 or so.
What I'm missing: PSU, DVD drive, Monitor, and Speakers. For the monitor, I'd like 1080p with 1920x1200 resolution; The prices for these seem to vary quite a bit and I have no idea what distinguishes good monitors from bad. Also, I don't have a clue about PSUs.
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.
You can't have a 1080p monitor capable of doing 1920x1200 since there aren't 1200 vertical pixels in a 1080p (1080p means 1920x1080 fyi). The least expensive 1920x1200 monitor is probably the Dell UltraSharp U2412M which is around $300.
For power supply, you'd want a Rosewill Capstone 450 for $70 (which is sold out atm) or any of the following for $60 or less: Seasonic S12II 520, XFX Core Edition 550, Antec Earthwatts 500D, Antec High Current Gamer 520, Antec Neo Eco 520, OCZ ZS 550
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On February 18 2012 22:29 skyR wrote:
You can't have a 1080p monitor capable of doing 1920x1200 since there aren't 1200 vertical pixels in a 1080p (1080p means 1920x1080 fyi). The least expensive 1920x1200 monitor is probably the Dell UltraSharp U2412M which is around $300.
For power supply, you'd want a Rosewill Capstone 450 for $70 (which is sold out atm) or any of the following for $60 or less: Seasonic S12II 520, XFX Core Edition 550, Antec Earthwatts 500D, Antec High Current Gamer 520, Antec Neo Eco 520, OCZ ZS 550
Ok, thanks. As you can see, I dont know much about monitors - $300 for a monitor would be past my budget anyway. You have any suggestions for 1920x1080 monitor?
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Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
I'm trying to setup a new pc for my needs and I'd love a little help/feedback. So, here it goes.
What is your budget?
About 1000$. Although I'm not sure if I need a pc that's gonna need money like that.
What is your resolution?
I play on 1680x1050, desktop on 1920x1200 right now. Not planning on changing it.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, want to play SC2 at highest settings, Lineage2(a lot of players in one place, think it's processor-heavy), wanna start Diablo3 and maybe some new games like Skyrim or whatever. I'd like to fraps as well and maybe stream(not in HD) if I get a better connection in the future. I also use some mapping programs for games. And I generally like to run shitton of tabs at Chrome with 28373287492 programs running at once.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Well, my current PC has been built in 2005 or 2006, except for gpu which was bought in like 2008 or 2009. So I dont plan on updating it anytime soon(except for minor changes I guess). But I don't think my needs will grow in time.
When do you plan on building it?
Within the next 2-3 months.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I have not OCd my current PC, dunno if I even need it.
Do you need an Operating System?
Nope. Got access to Win7 32 and Win7 64.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Most likely polish(since it's where I reside right now) internet shop - gral.pl. unfortunately there's no ENG version of this site.
I already have a 24" 16:10 screen and might buy a new monitor to get a dual screen setup(suggestions for the second one - around 21" can be 16 HD - would be much welcome). Already have a mouse and a keyboard. Got a 1TB HDD for data. Regarding building a pc in general: Do I need an extra cooling for the cpu? Do I need some kind of thermal paste for the processor? Do I need cables? Generally, what else would I need to buy in order to have the PC running?
Here's what I've put up together(site is in polish, but I guess the numbers and names speak for themselves):
CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K 4x3.30 GHz BOX (LGA1155, 6MB, HD3000, 95W)
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3, P67, DDR3, SATA3, USB 3.0, RAID, GBLAN, ATX, LGA1155
RAM: DDR3 4GB 2000MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP (2x2GB, DualDDR, CL10)
SSD: Corsair Force Series 90GB, 2.5", SATA3 550MB/s, 500MB/s
DVD: LG GH22NS70 DVD±R 22x, DVD+RW 8x, CD-RW 32x, DVD+R DL 12x, DVD-RAM 12x, OEM, SATA, Black
GPU: GeForce GTX550Ti Gigabyte 1024MB, DDR5, HDMI, DVI, PCI-E
CASE: Antec Three Hundred (bez zasilacza)
PSU: ATX 600W Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2EU (Fan 140mm)
Feedback would be much appreciated. Cheers.
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