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Scyt
Germany6 Posts
What is your budget? 650 € - 750 € What is your resolution? 1900x1080 What are you using it for? Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, Starcraft 2, ... What is your upgrade cycle? 4+ Years When do you plan on building it? In the middle of March Do you plan on overclocking? Yes Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Mindfactory.de hardwareversand.de or somewhere else similar to those | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On February 16 2012 22:50 Shauni wrote: Well, it makes the units less attractive. If a lot of the units have coil whine, then what's the point of recommending it? I don't think anybody wants a PSU with coil whine... There are other nice units besides corsair in that range. AAyer has a defective model and wont RMA it for some reason. We've been hearing about it for the last 60 or so posts of his. If it was a defective $300 PSU then it would still make a whine. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
I see that you recommended it due to the coupon and yeah, with that it's hard to beat. Generally, on most internet stores, I think there are decent alternatives for example fractal design tesla 450w, xfx core 450w, antec earthwatts 430w, coolermaster gx 450w, i also recall you guys recommending some rosewell as an alternative, but I dunno much about it since they don't exist in eu. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 17 2012 03:46 Shauni wrote: Higher efficiency PSUs are more prone to buzz or hum due to their increased sensitivity to the input voltage from your wall outlet. There could easily be something here I don't know about, but the stated rationale doesn't make any sense at all. What are you even talking about, with regards to "increased sensitivity"? Why would there be a difference if there's higher efficiency? I guess there could be a relationship with certain topologies that typically are more efficient, but that's not exactly a direct relationship. What feature of (some) higher-efficiency power supplies would cause this? Again, I could think of some responses that would seem plausible to me since I'm not an expert, but I'm curious what the rationales could be. CX V2 would hardly be called "higer efficiency" these days. There are certainly a lot of 80 plus / 80 plus bronze units (so they have APFC) with two-transistor forward primary and group regulation on the secondary side. What's different about the CX V2? | ||
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brainox
Germany292 Posts
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On February 17 2012 04:18 brainox wrote: Anyone knows how warm the CPU intel i 5 2500 gets with the standard cooler from intel? Do i really need a better one or is the standard one enough if not overclocked and mostly gaming I believe that the stock cooler is suggested by the veterans here if you are not overclocking. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On February 17 2012 03:59 Myrmidon wrote: CX430 V2 has a lot of sales, but I could easily believe that the incidence rate is higher. It's higher than typical on many Seasonic models too. There could easily be something here I don't know about, but the stated rationale doesn't make any sense at all. What are you even talking about, with regards to "increased sensitivity"? Why would there be a difference if there's higher efficiency? I guess there could be a relationship with certain topologies that typically are more efficient, but that's not exactly a direct relationship. What feature of (some) higher-efficiency power supplies would cause this? Again, I could think of some responses that would seem plausible to me since I'm not an expert, but I'm curious what the rationales could be. CX V2 would hardly be called "higer efficiency" these days. There are certainly a lot of 80 plus / 80 plus bronze units (so they have APFC) with two-transistor forward primary and group regulation on the secondary side. What's different about the CX V2? Wasn't implying that the CX series are considered "higher efficiency". I was just directing it at skyrs statement about it being completely random which isn't true. Why corsair/seasonic have more problems with coil whine than other manufacturers is completely unknown to me, I'm not even sure they know it themselves. Also, that was a quote from corsair, im not that good with electricity and how power supplies works, most likely less than you. But how I understand it is that because of the switching frequency is lower at high efficiency PSUs, the resonance created is more audible. That's probably what they mean by increased sensitivity. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Most of it is too high pitch or too quiet to notice at all. My fans completely overpower any sound of whine. And generally when devices are off they should be pretty much silent. Anything that isnt, is clearly defective and unintended by the manufacturer. Its not a big deal. Most of us have received DOA products by now, a squealing PSU is one of those. If I got a defective Intel CPU, I wouldnt be all like "fuck intel". | ||
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Teence
Canada157 Posts
Somewhere in the area of $600 would be ideal, but I wouldn't be opposed to going a little higher if there is an attainable performance gain. What is your resolution? 1680x1050 What are you using it for? Mostly gaming, but also some basic schoolwork stuff. Starcraft II, Diablo III, and WoW would be the ideal focus, although Guild Wars 2 is looking attractive. Not thinking of streaming for the time being. What is your upgrade cycle? Around 3 years would be perfect. When do you plan on building it? Hopefully I'll order the parts within the next week or so. Do you plan on overclocking? Nah. Do you need an Operating System? The only promotion I can get through school is Windows 7 Professional for $99, so if the Home version is more highly recommended, I'd say yes. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nah. Where are you buying your parts from? I'm in Canada, so probably Newegg or NCIX. Please note that I only recently upgraded my PSU for my current rig (about 7 months ago) so I'm guessing I wouldn't need to order one unless it's highly recommended. Currently using a CoolerMaster GX-650W, which I know is way overkill for wattage, but I got it for very cheap so I wasn't about to complain. I've been browsing the thread for awhile trying to come up with a suitable build for myself, but I figured I'd ask the pros just in case. Thanks guys! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 17 2012 07:42 Teence wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Somewhere in the area of $600 would be ideal, but I wouldn't be opposed to going a little higher if there is an attainable performance gain. What is your resolution? 1680x1050 What are you using it for? Mostly gaming, but also some basic schoolwork stuff. Starcraft II, Diablo III, and WoW would be the ideal focus, although Guild Wars 2 is looking attractive. Not thinking of streaming for the time being. What is your upgrade cycle? Around 3 years would be perfect. When do you plan on building it? Hopefully I'll order the parts within the next week or so. Do you plan on overclocking? Nah. Do you need an Operating System? The only promotion I can get through school is Windows 7 Professional for $99, so if the Home version is more highly recommended, I'd say yes. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nah. Where are you buying your parts from? I'm in Canada, so probably Newegg or NCIX. Please note that I only recently upgraded my PSU for my current rig (about 7 months ago) so I'm guessing I wouldn't need to order one unless it's highly recommended. Currently using a CoolerMaster GX-650W, which I know is way overkill for wattage, but I got it for very cheap so I wasn't about to complain. I've been browsing the thread for awhile trying to come up with a suitable build for myself, but I figured I'd ask the pros just in case. Thanks guys! $492, $591 with your $99 Windows 7 Intel Core i3 2100 @ $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58339&promoid=1315 Powercolor Radeon HD6850 @ $138 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13630BD3862 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56240&promoid=1315 ASUS P8H61M LE/CSM @ $64 (pricematch with http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C06ML63/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59829 Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $39 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544 Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $80 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1315 Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $35 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&&promoid=1315 DVD Burner @ $16 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950DR7068 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65984 | ||
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Teence
Canada157 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On February 16 2012 09:35 Alryk wrote: I'm not sure this is the right thread, but either way, the only thing I can say is try the Asus G74 series, I know that it's pretty reliable, if you are ok with the look. I've gotten advice on laptops in this thread in the past, so I figured I may as well post here again. Oh well. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 17 2012 09:58 Melancholia wrote: I've gotten advice on laptops in this thread in the past, so I figured I may as well post here again. Oh well. I was going to ask what you meant by "emulation" to determine if an i5 or i7 was more appropriate, but every laptop in that price range pretty much has an i7 regardless. Under $1200 without a decent sale, you're not going to do better than the laptop you originally had, which is pretty much the specs you would look for. Keep looking out for deals I guess. | ||
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MgSnake1
United States13 Posts
I’m looking to get into starcraft 2 again, and I need to buy or build a new computer. Whatever I get I’d like to be able to easily handle graphics set to ‘high’ for 1v1, 2v2 and some FFA once in a while (I used to play on a laptop on all low settings, so this would be a nice change for me lol). If it could handle ultra, and did not cost too much more, I’d be ok with making that upgrade. I already have a new laptop that is not even a year old that I can use for Word, etc. so I don’t feel the need to shell out too much on the OS. This computer would be pretty much for SC2, internet, and music. So the computer does not have to be too nuts- I just want it to play on pretty good settings without problems, and I’ll be happy. That being said, should I buy a pre-made computer, or build one? I’ve been reading some of the build-a-computer threads the past few days and the idea is intriguing, and most of the builds seem to be a pretty good price. I know I’m probably getting ripped off buying something pre-made, but is it even worth building my computer with the way I will be using it? Are there any good computers that are pre-made to buy? I think trying to build a computer would be cool, but I’m not sure if it would make more sense to buy a pre-made one. If buying the parts and putting it together would be much cheaper and allow me to play in the specs I listed, I’ll definitely go try a build offered up. What is your budget? $600-$1000 What is your resolution? Not sure really, I need a monitor. I’d like to play around 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024… if I understand this question correctly What are you using it for? SC2, DVDs, music, internet. I don’t plan on buying anything other than maybe D3 in the foreseeable future. What is your upgrade cycle? +3-4 years When do you plan on building it? asap Do you plan on overclocking? no Do you need an Operating System? Windows 7 home- I already have a laptop with everything I need so it wouldn’t have to be too crazy... I don't know if there are better deals than $120 on the microsoft website Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? no Where are you buying your parts from? US, I have no preference or idea of where to get good parts online… Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Let me know if you need anything clarified | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On February 17 2012 09:58 Melancholia wrote: I've gotten advice on laptops in this thread in the past, so I figured I may as well post here again. Oh well. http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?cid=6&id=329 Same thing, just by MSI basically. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230141 is nicer, but out of stock. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G53SX-XA1-15-6-Inch-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B005F3440Y/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1329441964&sr=8-16 might be the same thing... just 15" http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP8130 Select a i7-2670QM and you will run up 1150$, and I've never heard anything bad about a sager, it's just a basic gaming notebook, so that should be decent. Better GPU as well. 15" though. http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP5175 is available if you want a 17" computer, although it comes with the 555M. Granted, once you select the 2670, (and better thermal compound stuff maybe), you save 150$ or so. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On February 17 2012 10:26 MgSnake1 wrote: Hey guys, I’m looking to get into starcraft 2 again, and I need to buy or build a new computer. Whatever I get I’d like to be able to easily handle graphics set to ‘high’ for 1v1, 2v2 and some FFA once in a while (I used to play on a laptop on all low settings, so this would be a nice change for me lol). If it could handle ultra, and did not cost too much more, I’d be ok with making that upgrade. I already have a new laptop that is not even a year old that I can use for Word, etc. so I don’t feel the need to shell out too much on the OS. This computer would be pretty much for SC2, internet, and music. So the computer does not have to be too nuts- I just want it to play on pretty good settings without problems, and I’ll be happy. That being said, should I buy a pre-made computer, or build one? I’ve been reading some of the build-a-computer threads the past few days and the idea is intriguing, and most of the builds seem to be a pretty good price. I know I’m probably getting ripped off buying something pre-made, but is it even worth building my computer with the way I will be using it? Are there any good computers that are pre-made to buy? I think trying to build a computer would be cool, but I’m not sure if it would make more sense to buy a pre-made one. If buying the parts and putting it together would be much cheaper and allow me to play in the specs I listed, I’ll definitely go try a build offered up. What is your budget? $600-$1000 What is your resolution? Not sure really, I need a monitor. I’d like to play around 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024… if I understand this question correctly What are you using it for? SC2, DVDs, music, internet. I don’t plan on buying anything other than maybe D3 in the foreseeable future. What is your upgrade cycle? +3-4 years When do you plan on building it? asap Do you plan on overclocking? no Do you need an Operating System? Windows 7 home- I already have a laptop with everything I need so it wouldn’t have to be too crazy... I don't know if there are better deals than $120 on the microsoft website Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? no Where are you buying your parts from? US, I have no preference or idea of where to get good parts online… Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Let me know if you need anything clarified I'll let somebody more qualified than me make you a build, but am almost positive that for 1k, you can get a decent dell 1080P monitor, and a computer that can play SC2 on ultra. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On February 17 2012 10:33 Alryk wrote: http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?cid=6&id=329 Same thing, just by MSI basically. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230141 is nicer, but out of stock. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G53SX-XA1-15-6-Inch-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B005F3440Y/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1329441964&sr=8-16 might be the same thing... just 15" http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP8130 Select a i7-2670QM and you will run up 1150$, and I've never heard anything bad about a sager, it's just a basic gaming notebook, so that should be decent. Better GPU as well. 15" though. http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP5175 is available if you want a 17" computer, although it comes with the 555M. Granted, once you select the 2670, (and better thermal compound stuff maybe), you save 150$ or so. I hadn't been considering Sager, never really noticed them before. And that price isn't too bad all told. I'll have to see if I can dig up a coupon for them somewhere. Edit: Turns out they don't do coupons. Definitely not ruling them out just for that though! | ||
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