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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 12 2012 23:33 GMT
#18581
On February 13 2012 07:19 hasuprotoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

I'm looking at spending around $500, hopefully maybe a little more if needed.

What is your resolution?

1440 x 900

What are you using it for?

General Gaming. Would like to run Dota2 at decent settings. Other than that not too peculiar.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Probably 2 years. I'm about to graduate college and this just needs to last me until I find a nice paying job and then I can look to upgrade (hopefully!)

When do you plan on building it?

Relatively soon, my poor laptop is dying a quick and painful death T_T

Do you plan on overclocking?

Nope.

Do you need an Operating System?

Sadly, yes T_T

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

What? Sorry I'm horribad computer newbie. So no, I guess not

Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg, I guess. Live in Atlanta so if anybody thinks of anything cheaper, it would be appreciated.

Thanks for the time! This thread is great!


$488, capable of playing most games smoothly on max settings at your resolution:

This is from three retailers so if you want to consolidate your order, it'll drive the total up.

Intel Pentium G620 & DVD Burner @ $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.822309

Biostar H61MGC @ $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332

Rendition 4GB 1333MHz @ $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148366

Corsair CX430V2 @ $38, $18 after mail in rebate (w/ promo code EMCNHJN69, ends 2/16)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Sapphire Radeon HD6770 @ $100
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004ZCHWBY/

Coolermaster Elite 370 @ $32
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55447

Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $76
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1029

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $95
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1029
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 12 2012 23:47 GMT
#18582
Can't you get Windows through university? Like through a campus store, through MSDNAA (DreamSpark), Microsoft Student, or something like that? Generally there's an option cheaper than $95.

Also there are a couple Microcenters in the Atlanta area. Are there CPU/motherboard deals in-store on the lower-end processors? I forget.
http://www.microcenter.com/at_the_stores/index.html
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 13 2012 00:05 GMT
#18583
On February 13 2012 08:05 Josh_rakoons wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hiya, just finalising my new build, will be getting the rest of the money for it on feb 27th. Here it is :


+ Show Spoiler +
CPU- i5 2500k -http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-i5-2500K-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B004FA8NX2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329077508&sr=8-1

MOBO - ASRock p67 extreme4 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-P67-EXTREME4-GEN3-Motherboard/dp/B005FGMQAQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1322875705&sr=8-2

GPU - radeon 7950 - http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-289-SP

PSU - 750 bronze - http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-057-OC

RAM - G-skill 8GB Ripjaws X Low profile 1333mhz - http://www.amazon.co.uk/G-Skill-Ripjaws-DDR3-1333-Dual/dp/B002X578GE/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1325107452&sr=1-2

HDD - 7200RPM 1TB - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST31000524AS-Barracuda-7200rpm-Buffer/dp/B004HBAGSO/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1322876642&sr=1-1

SSD - Crucial m4 64gb - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-008-CR

Case - Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced - mid tower - ATX - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-CM-690-Advanced/dp/B00336EM0W/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1329077826&sr=1-1


TOTAL - £1008.23 + Windows 7 (~£64.99)

What you think? Anything that can be improved on?

*Edit, already got a third party cooler (Noctua NH-D14)


Unless I'm like a total idiot, why would you buy an Asrock P67 Extreme4 for £133? The P8P67 Pro is available for £121 : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-P8P67-PRO-REV-3-1/dp/B004ZIFWBK/ and P8Z68-V is £124: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-P8Z68-V-GEN3-Motherboard-Bluetooth/dp/B005UDITT6/

Does Amazon include VAT? Because if it does, Crucial M4 is less expensive there.

750w is not necessary even though the OCZ ZS doesn't provide as much power on the 12v rail as other units...
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
February 13 2012 00:38 GMT
#18584
TL should give the main tech guys in this thread some kind of icon at least
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 00:44:55
February 13 2012 00:44 GMT
#18585
hi, which power supply should i get? i had one of these 3 recommended earlier but a few of the specs of my computer have changed and want to make sure its still good to get, thanks

+ Show Spoiler +
amd fx 6100
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0375766

asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Socket AM3+ 760G mATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0379475

2x4gb ddr3 1600 ram

gt 430 graphic card

500g HD


prices include shipping/discounts, should i get
46$ SEASONIC 350W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151077

48$ ANTEC 380W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

41$ CORSAIR 430W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026


i heard the corsair has a really bad screeching/whining problem is this true? and is the seasonic 350W still the way to go with the minor changes from when i was recommended that earlier, thanks!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 13 2012 00:58 GMT
#18586
Are these parts you've already bought or are thinking about buying?
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 01:16:21
February 13 2012 01:15 GMT
#18587
Yeah, are you really getting an FX-6100? It better be heavily discounted, or you better be running encodes nonstop on it (or something similar) and not so much games.

Who recommended the Seasonic? It's okay but the cables are a bit short and probably not suitable if your computer chassis has the power supply mounted on the bottom rather than the top. You may as well just get an Antec Neo Eco at that price, which is pretty much the same thing.

Most Corsair CX V2 shouldn't have whining noises, but some will. Same goes for about everything out there, but the rate of incidence seems to be a little higher for the CX V2 and most that do have strange noises tend not to have them with the computer turned off. At those prices I'd get the CX V2.

If you're really hunting for the best deal and are certain the cables are long enough, if you can get an order over $50 at NCIX to get the free shipping then Antec VP350 for $36.36 is probably best:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62871

It's the non-APFC version of this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/VP350P/1.html

SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
February 13 2012 01:25 GMT
#18588
2 questions for the techies! I'm mid customizing a desktop (i7 3.4 ghz/8 gig ram ddr3)

1) Is it worth paying $50 for an upgrade from a 1g ddr3 radeon to a 1g ddr5 radeon card?
2) usb 3.0, is it worth the difference? It's like $50 for the 2 usb 3.0's instead of 2.0's.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
February 13 2012 01:31 GMT
#18589
On February 13 2012 10:25 SpiritAshura wrote:
2 questions for the techies! I'm mid customizing a desktop (i7 3.4 ghz/8 gig ram ddr3)

1) Is it worth paying $50 for an upgrade from a 1g ddr3 radeon to a 1g ddr5 radeon card?
2) usb 3.0, is it worth the difference? It's like $50 for the 2 usb 3.0's instead of 2.0's.


Where the hell are you buying from?
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 01:43:21
February 13 2012 01:39 GMT
#18590
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2012 10:15 Myrmidon wrote:
Yeah, are you really getting an FX-6100? It better be heavily discounted, or you better be running encodes nonstop on it (or something similar) and not so much games.

Who recommended the Seasonic? It's okay but the cables are a bit short and probably not suitable if your computer chassis has the power supply mounted on the bottom rather than the top. You may as well just get an Antec Neo Eco at that price, which is pretty much the same thing.

Most Corsair CX V2 shouldn't have whining noises, but some will. Same goes for about everything out there, but the rate of incidence seems to be a little higher for the CX V2 and most that do have strange noises tend not to have them with the computer turned off. At those prices I'd get the CX V2.

If you're really hunting for the best deal and are certain the cables are long enough, if you can get an order over $50 at NCIX to get the free shipping then Antec VP350 for $36.36 is probably best:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62871

It's the non-APFC version of this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/VP350P/1.html


to myrm and alyrk

yeah everything was alrdy purchased i asked about it about 4-5 days ago and was told to go with an intel but my friend building it for me already ordered it, the cpu/mb came in a combo for 140$.

EDIT-also the graphics card, HD and ram he had alrdy and is selling them to me at about 30-40% off.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 13 2012 01:40 GMT
#18591
On February 13 2012 10:25 SpiritAshura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
2 questions for the techies! I'm mid customizing a desktop (i7 3.4 ghz/8 gig ram ddr3)

1) Is it worth paying $50 for an upgrade from a 1g ddr3 radeon to a 1g ddr5 radeon card?
2) usb 3.0, is it worth the difference? It's like $50 for the 2 usb 3.0's instead of 2.0's.


No? A DDR3 card with GDDR5 is still going to be shit for 1080p gaming. The memory does not make the card btw.. the amount of stream processors are much more important.

Only you would know if USB3 is worth the difference or not. If you don't have any devices that makes use of the transfer speed of USB3 than it's useless.
BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
February 13 2012 03:43 GMT
#18592
My father's birthday is coming up in about 2 weeks, and I'd like to buy him a laptop. He currently uses a really old desktop that is slow and overheats constantly. Rather than trying to fix it, I would rather just buy him a brand new computer, but I'm not well versed in what makes a good laptop (price-performance ratio, reliability, etc.). With that being said, I would appreciate any feedback with these things in mind:

- Won't be using for gaming or graphically/memory intensive applications
- Will be using to connect to TV (youtube, netflix, displaying pictures, family videos, etc.) via HDMI cable
- Reliability (I know with almost anything, certain models are prone to failure whether it's the manufacturer or just driver issues, but again, I'm not that knowledgeable in the world of laptops)
- DVD/CD burner (but most laptops have this anyway, but just stating this in case)

We live in the United States, so Newegg/Amazon and any other retailers are applicable. Budget is no more than $600.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 03:58:16
February 13 2012 03:56 GMT
#18593
Is it just going to sit on the desk all of the time? Would he be using the laptop's screen, keyboard, what? If there's no use for the mobility, I wouldn't suggest a laptop because of the ergonomics (position of screen and keyboard), higher price, often bad screen and keyboard/trackpoint at that price point, and higher difficulty of fixing stuff and getting replacements.

Basically at that kind of price range you're probably looking for an small business / office oriented laptop (e.g. Lenovo Thinkpad Edge, HP ProBook, etc.), if you were to get one. Those are often not quite as fragile and trouble-prone as many of the general consumer models.
BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
February 13 2012 04:07 GMT
#18594
On February 13 2012 12:56 Myrmidon wrote:
Is it just going to sit on the desk all of the time? Would he be using the laptop's screen, keyboard, what? If there's no use for the mobility, I wouldn't suggest a laptop because of the ergonomics (position of screen and keyboard), higher price, often bad screen and keyboard/trackpoint at that price point, and higher difficulty of fixing stuff and getting replacements.

Basically at that kind of price range you're probably looking for an small business / office oriented laptop (e.g. Lenovo Thinkpad Edge, HP ProBook, etc.), if you were to get one. Those are often not quite as fragile and trouble-prone as many of the general consumer models.



It wouldn't sit on a desk all the time. Yes, it is going to be a replacement for his desktop, but mobility is important so going the laptop route wouldn't be a waste. I know that laptops are more expensive for what you get than desktops, but we're not talking about a laptop for gaming purposes here. It's generally for portable use, as a media player/connecting to an external display (TV), and also because his desktop freaking sucks lol.

I'll take a look at those models and research more on it, thanks Myrm for the suggestions.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 04:25:15
February 13 2012 04:22 GMT
#18595
By the way the specs shouldn't matter really, but AMD A series is preferred for media stuff and is generally going to be cheaper than Intel. You want a 7200 rpm hard drive if possible, and probably 3-4 GB RAM is enough, and that's about all you need to know on that front.

Unfortunately we've gone backwards in quality and pretty much all laptops except more expensive models have 1366x768 resolution screens that range from annoying to terrible in quality. If possible, try something out in a store or carefully read reviews, since many laptops have keyboards that IMHO make it impossible to get anything done in a timely manner. It's hard to tell about build quality without actually using it.

I've used plenty of laptops and do recommend getting them if it makes sense, but there's just so much that can go wrong. Much more so than for desktop systems, you need to be careful of what you get.
Sirajee
Profile Joined February 2012
Pakistan6 Posts
February 13 2012 06:22 GMT
#18596
--- Nuked ---
wesbare
Profile Joined January 2011
United States35 Posts
February 13 2012 06:24 GMT
#18597
Wow Sirajee! How many threads did you post this in? This advert is the kind of stuff that goes in a spam folder in people's email accounts.
He Is Risen
StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
February 13 2012 08:16 GMT
#18598
Looking to complete my build because i'm buying these from a friend.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130592&Tpk=MSI H61M-E23

Budget: around 300$ (until the 1st when i get paid next)
My current resolution: is 1280x720 but plan on an upgrade once i actually have a working pc to use on,
Use: LoL, mild streaming, mmo's with PS mixed in.
Upgrade cycle: 5 years ish.
Plan on building it: ASAP unless my friend doesn't get his upgrades this week.
Overclocking: Never done it but if i do my friend knows how.
Buying from: Probably newegg but if there's better deals somewhere else who cares.

Basically looking for memory/video card atm. Anything else you really suggest will be considered.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 13 2012 10:17 GMT
#18599
FOr those purposes I'd go with a 6770 or a 6850, I don't see much sense in going higher. You could probably do 6870 if you really want to but even 6770 can max LoL so you're going to be needing to play some more demanding mmorpgs like the SW:TOR
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
February 13 2012 11:30 GMT
#18600
Yeah SW:TOR was what i was thinking about getting.
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