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Ya that's a good one and is more than sufficient for the configuration I posted.
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Nothing special about it. All the low-end TN monitors are virtually all the same. Since you have such a large budget, you should probably look into investing a 120Hz or IPS monitor.
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It's expensive for a 23" TN monitor, as almost all of them are identical. I would go for one of the cheapest you can find, or a dell ultrasharp series one if you can jag it for ~$200 on a special.
And personally, speakers on a monitor would be a negative for me.
Yeah what Skyr said. You can get a 23" FHD for ~ $120-130 off newegg, or get a higher end one instead.
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The only thing you have to be careful about is not getting a dinosaur of a panel...this tends to be the $130 Acers on Newegg. Really old monitors tend to be a lot worse than newer monitors (viewing angles, contrast, brightness, etc). Of course there are exceptions (NEC 2490wuxi2 is still the best looking professional monitor in the business, for instance) but this is generally true.
A decent example is the Dell U2410 vs U2412M. There's only around 1-2 years between the two but the U2412M is better in nearly every significant way. 6 bit +F-ARC isn't really a massive issue anymore and wide gamut is rather pointless unless you do a significant amount of print media and you are familiar with the printer you are using. No, wide gamut isn't very useful for non-print work because you cannot ensure a consistent result in the million of oversaturated OLED displays or shitty colour reproduction of $100 TN monitors; even in print media its not hugely useful unless you know the printer well enough to calibrate it properly.
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Looking for a new GFX card,
Are there any known issues with the 6870? Deciding between ATI and Nvidia again, currently have a 5870 which has a lot of issues, and have friends who have had issues with their 5xxx series cards too.
Also why is there almost no price difference between the 5870 and 6870?
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They're the same price because of similar performance and the HD5870 is a generation old.
Anyway, the HD6870 runs OpenGL stuff like shit (apparently AMD solved the OpenGL stuff so you might have fun with John Carmack's games now) but its generally pretty good with DirectX games. A lot of people seem happy enough with the cards anyway.
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On December 30 2011 18:13 Fenrisulf wrote:
Looking for a new GFX card,
Are there any known issues with the 6870? Deciding between ATI and Nvidia again, currently have a 5870 which has a lot of issues, and have friends who have had issues with their 5xxx series cards too.
Also why is there almost no price difference between the 5870 and 6870?
the 5870 is a generation older and a tad faster than a 6870. not by much though. if you think you can continue to work with your 5870, then i suggest you stay put.
btw what's your budget???
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hmm- i was also wondering the same thing as 6870
trying to decide if i should pay 30 more for the evga 560 (50 if you count rebate) over the sapphire 6870
is it really worth paying more for the 560 for physx support(not even sure what that does) and better card quality from what my friends keep telling me
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Physx is nVidia's technology to add additional particles to game physics. In theory its really cool but in reality it absolutely kills the frame rate and isn't really used in that many games.
Its not worth the +$30 asking price unless you really want an nVidia card.
@Below poster
Kepler might be out by then. You might as well wait.
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On December 30 2011 18:29 BloodDrunK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 18:13 Fenrisulf wrote:
Looking for a new GFX card,
Are there any known issues with the 6870? Deciding between ATI and Nvidia again, currently have a 5870 which has a lot of issues, and have friends who have had issues with their 5xxx series cards too.
Also why is there almost no price difference between the 5870 and 6870? the 5870 is a generation older and a tad faster than a 6870. not by much though. if you think you can continue to work with your 5870, then i suggest you stay put. btw what's your budget???
Well my 5870 is bluescreening me like 2-3 times a week now. My budget would range from 150-300 i guess but preferably lower. But I can wait until June 2012 to purchase b/c im going abroad for 5 months anyways
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On December 30 2011 18:43 Fenrisulf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 18:29 BloodDrunK wrote:On December 30 2011 18:13 Fenrisulf wrote:
Looking for a new GFX card,
Are there any known issues with the 6870? Deciding between ATI and Nvidia again, currently have a 5870 which has a lot of issues, and have friends who have had issues with their 5xxx series cards too.
Also why is there almost no price difference between the 5870 and 6870? the 5870 is a generation older and a tad faster than a 6870. not by much though. if you think you can continue to work with your 5870, then i suggest you stay put. btw what's your budget??? Well my 5870 is bluescreening me like 2-3 times a week now. My budget would range from 150-300 i guess but preferably lower. But I can wait until June 2012 to purchase b/c im going abroad for 5 months anyways
if you can wait that long then i'm pretty sure you'll get plenty of good stuff by then. plus with your budget range, you don't have much room for improvement over a 5870 cuz despite all it's issues, it one hell of a gpu.
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I am planning building a new PC. The one focus for it is to be dual or even triple monitor capable. I thought of 2 widescreen or 1 widescreen + 2 (fullscreen or tilted widescreen monitor). The second is to be as silent as in can be when not under load. I currently have a silent build and am infuriated by loud PCs. I game with headsets on mostly, so loudness under load is much smaller issue.
So here goes the form:
What is your budget?
I'd say 5k PLN (~1,5k $) for the PC to give the general idea, but it could be extended in reasonable bounds (read: not doubled preferably  ).
No idea how much for monitors (depending on what and how many monitors obviously).
What is your resolution?
Well as I also have monitors to buy, for gaming I planned at least 1920x1080. Could be more though.
What are you using it for?
I'm a programmer/CS student so the main focus would be: coding (so multi monitor setup), gaming, computing, some graphical editing (but not the main focus in the foreseeable future).
What is your upgrade cycle?
As for programming any build will suffice for years and I do not see myself gaming that much in future
When do you plan on building it?
Preferably in the next six months.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I have no idea. Some slight OC maybe but nothing extreme as I prefer stable and silent builds.
Do you need an Operating System?
No (Linux/Windows from MSDNAA).
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Is it required for a triple monitor setup, isn't it?
Where are you buying your parts from?
Well, somewhere in Europe, preferably in Poland.
Additional stuff
- 99% sure I need a wireless network card.
- Haven't decided on 3 vs 2 monitor setup. Any suggestions or shared experiences would be greatly appreciated.
- I thought of buying a good soundcard and a headphone amplifier but they are not crucial (and not a computer resource I guess). The important thing here is that I have minimal knowledge of computer sound cards, so please bear this in mind.
Thanks in advance for any advice you give. You guys rock.
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Radeon HD 5xxx series and later can support 3 monitors by themselves, so long as one is through DisplayPort. Or just get like a Z68 or its successor chipset, which can also handle 2 monitors through the integrated graphics even if you're using dedicated graphics for other monitors. No need for multiple dedicated graphics cards.
If it's in the "next 6 months" the next generation of GPUs as well as CPUs will be released by then, so it's hard to say at this point. With this budget it should be possible to get a very quiet configuration, even under load. The focus would just be a relatively solid chassis with sound dampening (so no hard drive vibrations, and to dampen graphics cards fans, which can be slightly noisy even at idle), and a power supply that also idles pretty quiet. It shouldn't be very difficult if it needs to be just quiet at idle--stock CPU cooling is definitely okay, for example.
USB wireless network cards work just fine (except when they don't), and so do USB sound cards, and both actually generally have some technical advantages over many internal solutions, so that's not a big deal. At least with many USB sound cards you can use USB Audio Class 1 drivers, which Windows and Linux both have natively. That way you're not reliant on some buggy drivers from Creative, Asus, Auzentech, or maybe some of the pro audio interfaces as well.
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Had my friend fill this out:
Thanks!
What is your budget?
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> Between 500-600 preferably keeping it under 550.
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> What is your resolution?
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> n/a I already have a decent video card (9800GT) to support my dell 2409.
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> What are you using it for?
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>I'm not much of a gamer but SWTOR looks interesting and I have played supreme commander in the past. Mostly web browsing and done audio recording but I don't use anything intensive like protools just audacity.
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> What is your upgrade cycle?
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> My last brand new computer was a Dell in 2001. I am currently using a custom built machine that was mostly given to me except for the ram hard drives and video card.
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> When do you plan on building it?
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> very soon
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> Do you plan on overclocking?
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> Not necessary for me.
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> Do you need an Operating System?
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> No
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> no
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> Where are you buying your parts from?
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> newegg, tigerdirect, frys or microcenter.
Additional information:
I have a couple of large pata hard drives and I'd prefer to keep the pata interface native so this limits the motherboards available to me.
I already have an optical drive, hard drives, video card, keyboard, mouse, operating system and monitors. All I need are a case, mobo, cpu, ram and a psu.
I also prefer basic cases without leds or windows unless the window isn't ridiculous.
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Looking for feedback on my first build that I plan on ordering tomorrow. My budget is right around $730, and I'm planning on using an old HDD until prices go down, hence the SSD. I am not planning on overclocking anything, and I only want to use the one GPU. All the parts here are the parts that I need, although I could use an old monitor if need be.
I will be using it for SC2, and school. I am an ECE/CS major so I will be doing a fair amount of programming. I might also do some streaming with it, I have a 3 Mb/s upload rate and since my computer now can handle streaming i'm quite sure this one will be able to do it as well 
Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H61ICAFE ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($141.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH22NS90B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer G215HVAbd 21.5" Monitor ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $676.43
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-12-30 15:48 EST-0500)
I recently chose to downgrade from an i5 2500 ($189) because I wanted to fit a monitor in this build, is the drop in performance ok for my needs? I know sc2 doesn't use more than 2 cores anyways, so that was my logic in dropping from the 4 core 3.3GHz to 2 core 3.1GHz. Also, if you see any reasonable changes you can make that will support eSports, please recommend; I purposefully bought G.Skill RAM for their GSL support and Cooler Master supports various teams occasionally.
Thanks
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If you want to stream a relatively CPU-intensive game (not just in the menus but with real action on screen) like SC2 at something like 480p quality, at decent compression levels, you'll really want the quad core. Have you tested streaming on your current setup with nontrivial stuff on screen and with the CPU nontrivially loaded with other tasks simultaneously?
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I'm about to build a new computer. I'm not quite ready to start picking components, but am thinking about getting ~32gb of RAM and making heavy use of a ramdisk. A big reason I want to try this out is because of how insanely cheap memory is right now.
I guess the point of this post is for you guys to talk me out of doing this or to make sure I have a realistic idea of what my expected performance will be. Basically I plan to have a bunch of images saved on my normal hard drive of a bunch of different game installs or other useful programs and just load the image of what I want to play onto my ramdisk and rock and roll.
I realize that an SSD would give me similar performance to this but keep in mind that in terms of HD access speed, the difference between a mech drive and an SSD is just about the same as SSD to ramdisk. This is a super rough approximation, but say that a 10 second operation on a mechanical drive becomes a 1 second operation on an SSD. That same operation would then take .1 seconds on a ramdisk. I realize that in this scenario going from mech to SSD has saved me 9 seconds and that SSD to ramdisk has only saved me .9, but is there anything else here that I'm missing?
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