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Rosewill Capstone 450 for $60 is much better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
You can get this kit for $35: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
The Gigabyte Z68M D2H is $115, not $105. If you want to budget with money you don't have than I would get a MSI P67 G45 instead which is $85 after mail in rebates: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130582 Even budgeting without, the board is still $115 so I would get that instead of the Gigabyte.
On December 30 2011 11:23 Mediccard wrote:+ Show Spoiler +These are the plans for my build. Mostly will be used for Steam Games, MMO's and streaming.
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($156.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case ($71.41 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 700W ATX12V Power Supply ($103.98 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($162.63 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1258.96
Thoughts?
P8Z68-V Pro is essentially the same as a P8Z68-V. Getting a Pro would be a waste of money.
Corsair GS isn't a good choice. Rosewill Capstone 650 for $100 is a much better choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071
This kit is $35 with promo code: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
A Caviar Blue or Seagate Barracuda is fine instead of a Caviar Black.
You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink You'll want a Coolermaster Hyper 212+ or similar for around $23 at NCIX.
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Well, the new monitor came in.
Is it just me, or was it easier to just let Windows extend the desktop instead of using Eyefinity? =_=
Time to find out how to set two separate wallpapers for each 
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There is a $10 mail in rebate but it expires in two days so I guess I wouldn't be able to use it. The $729 budget was a bit of a joke since that's just what it happened to come out too.
I've read conflicting things over Z68 vs. P67. In my price range, is there really any difference to consider? I do want to clock my processor as high as possible within this budget, and I know both can do that. I don't really know the differences otherwise, since it seems it's more motherboard-dependent than chipset dependent.
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Well I guess I will now employ my second screen as a second monitor, though I really am not sure how I should go about it. Is it all right if I plug it into my integrated card while my primary monitor is plugged to my 4850 or do I need to buy an adapter?
Different topic:
Anyone find this funny?
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On December 30 2011 11:53 Ancestral wrote:There is a $10 mail in rebate but it expires in two days so I guess I wouldn't be able to use it. The $729 budget was a bit of a joke since that's just what it happened to come out too. I've read conflicting things over Z68 vs. P67. In my price range, is there really any difference to consider? I do want to clock my processor as high as possible within this budget, and I know both can do that. I don't really know the differences otherwise, since it seems it's more motherboard-dependent than chipset dependent.
Well you're definitely saving $20 on the Capstone, which is a lot better anyway; also the RAM.
btw skyR missed that you've got a microATX chassis. Z68 and P67 are the same, except that Z68 has a few extra features that you probably won't care about (integrated graphics support, various integrated graphics and Quick Sync support while using a discrete GPU, SSD caching). Just get whichever is cheaper.
If you're serious about clocking high, like above 4.6 GHz, you may want a different motherboard though. Some of the ones around this price range don't allow for manual VCore setting, for example. I don't think it's worth running frequencies so high you may damage the chip appreciably over a few years, but VCore control is always nice.
Maybe AsRock Z68 Pro3-M ($110) or Asus P8Z68-M Pro ($120)?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157252
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131786
Also consider the Silverstone PS07, which is a little smaller and just a little cheaper, and has easy-to-clean dust filters on the intakes.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186
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HD4850 should have two DVI ports. Just connect both monitors to the HD4850. Pretty sure integrated displays are disabled so you have to go through the dGPU if you want to get anything out of it.
As for that GPU, it could be useful for stuff like 3dsmax. Though its only using DDR3 so the memory bus speeds might actually bottleneck.
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On December 30 2011 12:10 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 11:53 Ancestral wrote:There is a $10 mail in rebate but it expires in two days so I guess I wouldn't be able to use it. The $729 budget was a bit of a joke since that's just what it happened to come out too. I've read conflicting things over Z68 vs. P67. In my price range, is there really any difference to consider? I do want to clock my processor as high as possible within this budget, and I know both can do that. I don't really know the differences otherwise, since it seems it's more motherboard-dependent than chipset dependent. Well you're definitely saving $20 on the Capstone, which is a lot better anyway; also the RAM. btw skyR missed that you've got a microATX chassis. Z68 and P67 are the same, except that Z68 has a few extra features that you probably won't care about (integrated graphics support, various integrated graphics and Quick Sync support while using a discrete GPU, SSD caching). Just get whichever is cheaper. If you're serious about clocking high, like above 4.6 GHz, you may want a different motherboard though. Some of the ones around this price range don't allow for manual VCore setting, for example. I don't think it's worth running frequencies so high you may damage the chip appreciably over a few years, but VCore control is always nice. Maybe AsRock Z68 Pro3-M ($110) or Asus P8Z68-M Pro ($120)? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157252http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131786Also consider the Silverstone PS07, which is a little smaller and just a little cheaper, and has easy-to-clean dust filters on the intakes. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186
I think around 4.5-4.8 is what I'd aim for, and I've read that's possible if you're patient / perhaps a little lucky, if maybe requiring a mere .015 higher VCore, though if not of course I wouldn't touch it. Anyway to tell if a board allows you to change the VCore? Google it? The only reason I'd currently need higher frequencies is because with music production, more really is just better, since adding effects, plugins, instruments, and samples to a track all eat up tons of CPU. Virtual instruments destroy CPU use, so the solution is to render them as audio, but then you can't just move musical notes around easily, so the more headroom the better.
And yeah the suggestion on RAM and PSU is much appreciated, as is yours on the case. Slightly smaller is definitely better, as is slightly cheaper. I know Lian and Silverstone are both decent brands so I assume build quality is similar, not that I'll be dropping it, but even picking it up and moving a case seemed a bit much for my last set up (Athlon II X2 ... horror, hence the upgrade).
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I dont plan on any over clocking for what I plan to do, so I didint include an after market heatsink. Opted for the cheaper P8Z68-V. Thanks.
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@ Ancestral:
You pretty much have to guess about motherboard BIOS options, or check reviews. Z68 Pro3-M definitely does, according to a review, and Asus Pro and higher definitely should as well. 4.5 GHz is very optimistic without touching VCore (automatically or not), never mind above that. I don't think anybody thinks up to 1.3V or so is dangerous though, if not a little higher.
Well the PS07 has almost the same structure and internals as the TJ08-E (note the E), just with 2x 120mm fans instead of the 1x 180mm fan and different front panel. So it's definitely not on the same class as the more expensive Silverstone cases in terms of rigidity. It's only 0.6mm thick. Then again, aluminum isn't the best material either, even if it's a bit lighter.
Another drawback is that if you use hard drives in the hard drive cage--the bottom thing below the hard drive cage holds a 3.5" hard drive and 2.5" hard drive btw--then they can conflict with large CPU coolers. Hyper 212 Plus is probably okay with right-angle SATA cables. Or you can just mount a single fan on the CPU cooler on the other side, for pulling air out of the heatsink. See here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1215-page4.html
There's also the CPU cooler stand for some structural support. I think you can see what it does from the pictures.
On December 30 2011 12:29 Mediccard wrote:
I dont plan on any over clocking for what I plan to do, so I didint include an after market heatsink. Opted for the cheaper P8Z68-V. Thanks.
Then the i5-2500 (non-k) is identical for your purposes and you really could be getting a much cheaper H61 or H67 motherboard if you wanted and have exactly the same performance.
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On December 30 2011 12:35 Myrmidon wrote:@ Ancestral: You pretty much have to guess about motherboard BIOS options, or check reviews. Z68 Pro3-M definitely does, according to a review, and Asus Pro and higher definitely should as well. 4.5 GHz is very optimistic without touching VCore (automatically or not), never mind above that. I don't think anybody thinks up to 1.3V or so is dangerous though, if not a little higher. Well the PS07 has almost the same structure and internals as the TJ08-E (note the E), just with 2x 120mm fans instead of the 1x 180mm fan and different front panel. So it's definitely not on the same class as the more expensive Silverstone cases in terms of rigidity. It's only 0.6mm thick. Then again, aluminum isn't the best material either, even if it's a bit lighter. Another drawback is that if you use hard drives in the hard drive cage--the bottom thing below the hard drive cage holds a 3.5" hard drive and 2.5" hard drive btw--then they can conflict with large CPU coolers. Hyper 212 Plus is probably okay with right-angle SATA cables. Or you can just mount a single fan on the CPU cooler on the other side, for pulling air out of the heatsink. See here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1215-page4.htmlThere's also the CPU cooler stand for some structural support. I think you can see what it does from the pictures. Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 12:29 Mediccard wrote:
I dont plan on any over clocking for what I plan to do, so I didint include an after market heatsink. Opted for the cheaper P8Z68-V. Thanks. Then the i5-2500 (non-k) is identical for your purposes and you really could be getting a much cheaper H61 or H67 motherboard if you wanted and have exactly the same performance.
Oh man, I'm glad I posted in this thread . With small cases fitting a HSF seems to be the biggest issue. If it's possible to fit a 212 I'm sure I could, and I'm building it with the help of an experienced system builder. Might the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103084 be a better choice? Is there any disadvantage to it?
I think either of those cases will be fine. It really shouldn't get knocked around, but my current PC is a giant mid-tower and the case is complete shit (it was just a prebuilt PC). I'll probably get the TS08-E (yes a little more is fine, why not?)
It looks like both those two and the Gigabyte board allow VCore to be changed (I found a manual online). You and SkyR definitely pointed out some helpful things, thanks!
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I'd just do the fan on the reverse side like SPCR did if you're worried about hard drive cables hitting the fan. The only potential conflict is if you have more than one 3.5" hard drive and you want to put the fan on a tower heatsink, on the side closer to the front of the case. The NH-U12P is definitely thicker than the Hyper 212 Plus, btw, by 20mm. Just make sure it's pointing air towards the outside and not blowing back into the case as that would be stupid. With moderate overclocks on a i5-2500k, there's really not that much heat to take care of--less than a Phenom II X4 at stock speeds, so you don't need the absolute best performance.
Those top-down coolers don't work as well though, by a decent margin, when there's no vents in the side panel. And that's a significantly smaller and weaker top-down blower you linked.
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On December 30 2011 13:24 Myrmidon wrote:
I'd just do the fan on the reverse side like SPCR did if you're worried about hard drive cables hitting the fan. The only potential conflict is if you have more than one 3.5" hard drive and you want to put the fan on a tower heatsink, on the side closer to the front of the case. The NH-U12P is definitely thicker than the Hyper 212 Plus, btw, by 20mm. Just make sure it's pointing air towards the outside and not blowing back into the case as that would be stupid. With moderate overclocks on a i5-2500k, there's really not that much heat to take care of--less than a Phenom II X4 at stock speeds, so you don't need the absolute best performance.
Those top-down coolers don't work as well though, by a decent margin, when there's no vents in the side panel. And that's a significantly smaller and weaker top-down blower you linked.
Alright, I'll definitely get the 212 then. For now and the foreseeable future just one drive, so if the Noctua is thicker I'm sure I'll be fine regardless. I should have three feasible combinations for mounting the one HDD and the HSF so no worries at all. And definitely no reason to go for the smaller HSF then. Thanks everyone, I'll be emptying my bank account tomorrow!
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Hey could someone recommend me a 750wish psu. I'm thinking maybe some ocz or corsair? Modular aswell please.
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Hey I'm looking to build a computer, if you could help me pick out the parts that would be awesome. I already have a 600w power supply so If I could use that it would be cool, if i need a stronger one, thats no problem either.
What is your budget?
1,000 - 1,200
What is your resolution?
1920×1080.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, will also be running Linux through virtual machine
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
Now
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
no
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg most likely or other websites if cheaper
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Hello again,
I used this thread last time to build a computer for myself, I would like another suggestion of builds for around $450 w/o an operating system. My friend asked me to ask TL since he doesn't have an account/ No overclocking or anything. Would like to build it soon.
Thanks!
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This is the build that I have found so far; based on the advice so far and a very bad judgement ^_^
CPU: InI5-2500ktel Core i5-2500K (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-IN) £168
MB: Asrock Z68 PRO3 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-052-AK&)£100
GPU: Asus ATI Radeon HD 6950 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-254-AS) £228
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-252-SE) £72
RAM: Corsair Memory Vengeanc 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-jet-black-lp-pc3-12800-%281600%29-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v)£37
Case: Thermaltake VK60001W2Z Element S Case (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-104-TT) £45
AHSF: Xigmatek Red Scorpion CPU Cooler (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-011-XG)£26
OS: windows 7 (http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=windows+7+home+premium+64+bit) £70
DVD:Samsung SATA Drive (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-124-SA) £19
PSU: Corsair Builder Series 600W (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/600w-psu-corsair-builder-series-cmpsu-600cxv2uk-80-eff-80-plus-eps-12v-quiet-fan-atx-v23) £55
Total to £820 at the moment. Are there any improvements which I could make upon this build via; saving money or value for money etc... Thanks for the help so far. :D
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On December 30 2011 13:50 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Hey could someone recommend me a 750wish psu. I'm thinking maybe some ocz or corsair? Modular aswell please.
Seasonic X, Seasonic M12II, Corsair AX, FSP Aurum Gold, Lepa G, NZXT Hale82, OCZ ZT, Rosewill Hive, XFX Pro, and so on.
On December 30 2011 14:30 Kubbiez wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is the build that I have found so far; based on the advice so far and a very bad judgement ^_^ CPU: In I5-2500ktel Core i5-2500K (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-IN) £168 MB: Asrock Z68 PRO3 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-052-AK&)£100 GPU: Asus ATI Radeon HD 6950 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-254-AS) £228 HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-252-SE) £72 RAM: Corsair Memory Vengeanc 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-jet-black-lp-pc3-12800-%281600%29-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-xmp-15v)£37 Case: Thermaltake VK60001W2Z Element S Case (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-104-TT) £45 AHSF: Xigmatek Red Scorpion CPU Cooler (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-011-XG)£26 OS: windows 7 (http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=windows+7+home+premium+64+bit) £70 DVD:Samsung SATA Drive (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-124-SA) £19 PSU: Corsair Builder Series 600W (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/600w-psu-corsair-builder-series-cmpsu-600cxv2uk-80-eff-80-plus-eps-12v-quiet-fan-atx-v23) £55 Total to £820 at the moment. Are there any improvements which I could make upon this build via; saving money or value for money etc... Thanks for the help so far. :D
You don't need a 600w unit for your configuration so get a OCZ ZS 550 (basically provides the same amount of power as the CX600V2) for the same price instead: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-055-OC
The rest look fine.
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On December 30 2011 14:08 era wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey I'm looking to build a computer, if you could help me pick out the parts that would be awesome. I already have a 600w power supply so If I could use that it would be cool, if i need a stronger one, thats no problem either.
What is your budget?
1,000 - 1,200
What is your resolution?
1920×1080.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, will also be running Linux through virtual machine
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
Now
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
no
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg most likely or other websites if cheaper
There isn't much to spend for such a large budget when you don't need an operating system, not overclocking, and are re-using some power supply (hopefully not shit?).
You can get a nice case and keep it for the next several builds if you'd like. If not than you can just get a less expensive case such as the Coolermaster HAF 912 or Bitfenix Merc Alpha for $50, $40 respectively.
This is $788, you can add in an HDD if you don't have externals or just want an internal HDD alongside the SSD - 1TB is about $130.
Intel Core i5 2400 @ $185 (Newegg also has it for $180 with promo code, not sure when it ends though)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57964&promoid=1301
HIS Radeon HD6870 @ $150 ($130 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389
Crucial M4 128gb @ $195
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442
Pareema 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $32
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576006
Asrock H67M @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233
Antec P280 @ $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129179
DVD Burner @ $16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244
On December 30 2011 14:26 SoKHo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello again,
I used this thread last time to build a computer for myself, I would like another suggestion of builds for around $450 w/o an operating system. My friend asked me to ask TL since he doesn't have an account/ No overclocking or anything. Would like to build it soon.
Thanks!
I assume this is for gaming at 1080p. Here's a configuration that comes to $421 before mail in rebates.
Core i3 2120 & Corsair 4GB 1333MHz @ $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.782984
Biostar H61MGC @ $45 (with promo code EMCJHHD86, ends 1/1/12)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
HIS Radeon HD6870 @ $150 ($130 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389
Corsair CX430 V2 @ $40 ($30 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $40
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&promoid=1301
DVD Burner @ $16
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244&promoid=1301
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On December 30 2011 14:08 era wrote:Hey I'm looking to build a computer, if you could help me pick out the parts that would be awesome. I already have a 600w power supply so If I could use that it would be cool, if i need a stronger one, thats no problem either. + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
1,000 - 1,200
What is your resolution?
1920×1080.
What are you using it for?
Gaming, will also be running Linux through virtual machine
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
Now
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
no
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg most likely or other websites if cheaper
edit: nevermind late, skyR got it. I would probably take the Intel mobo below for $10 more, even though it's microATX though. I also must have missed the M4 128GB at that price. Also i5-2500 for a little extra is arguably worth it. See below.
What's the model of the old power supply? It's likely okay even if it's of mediocre quality and can't really perform quite as claimed. Regardless, it may still be worth upgrading to something of high quality that's more efficient and will provide more stable power, anyway. If we determine the model is good, then ignore the power supply below.
+ Show Spoiler [redundant and similar build] +Intel Core i5-2500 - $188, promo ends 12/31 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073Intel BOXDH67BLB3 (H67 with USB3 and SATA3, microATX) - $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121506Pareema 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $32 (or get more if your virtual machine(s) need a lot) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576006Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti - $210 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401Samsung 830 128GB SSD - $210 (or get a 64GB Crucial M4 if you don't need all that space on the SSD) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134Hitachi 500GB 7200rpm hard drive - $80 (or get larger capacity, but prices are much higher than normal due to Thailand flooding, so waiting is not a bad idea) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299Samsung CD / DVD burner - $16 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244Cooler Master HAF 912 - $50 (or you can get something more expensive, like with noise dampening, better access dust filters, and so on, if desired) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233Rosewill Capstone 450W - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066Even with a huge SSD, there's not really a reasonable way to spend up to $1000. I guess you could spend more on the video card, but I wouldn't, especially with new technology coming in a month or two. We're on the tail end of a cycle. It's always much easier upgrading video cards as needed than any of the core components.
On December 30 2011 14:26 SoKHo wrote:
Hello again,
I used this thread last time to build a computer for myself, I would like another suggestion of builds for around $450 w/o an operating system. My friend asked me to ask TL since he doesn't have an account/ No overclocking or anything. Would like to build it soon.
Thanks!
450 USD, shipped to US?
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