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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 00:35:23
December 31 2011 00:34 GMT
#16861
On December 31 2011 09:25 Hammer442 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Which PSU is better ?
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17211
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17085

Both are the same watts but one has two 12v rails with less amps, does it matter?
Will be running i5 2500k overclocked to around 4.3ghz and gtx 570 overclocked.

Want the psu to last a long time.


Corsair TXv2 is better. The Earthwatts doesn't provide less amperage fyi, it's listed in the label that it can provide 54a.

And a 650w unit is sort of a waste if you don't intend on doing SLI.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 00:53 GMT
#16862
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=15135

For that config I'd go with this to be honest >_> a pretty lame selection though
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 00:54:50
December 31 2011 00:54 GMT
#16863
On December 31 2011 09:34 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 09:25 Hammer442 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Which PSU is better ?
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17211
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17085

Both are the same watts but one has two 12v rails with less amps, does it matter?
Will be running i5 2500k overclocked to around 4.3ghz and gtx 570 overclocked.

Want the psu to last a long time.


Corsair TXv2 is better. The Earthwatts doesn't provide less amperage fyi, it's listed in the label that it can provide 54a.

And a 650w unit is sort of a waste if you don't intend on doing SLI.


Thanks skyR.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
December 31 2011 02:30 GMT
#16864
Hey CBR thread, I'm out of the loop on computer hardware nowadays, need some critique and guidance

What is your budget?

400-700

What is your resolution?

around 1440x900 or 1680x1050

What are you using it for?

For parents & general family use, gaming-wise probably nothing past standard web browser games.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Probably never

When do you plan on building it?

Soon, yo

Do you plan on overclocking?

Nawp

Do you need an Operating System?

I'll find a way

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Planning on using AMD Llano graphics unless there's a better, cheaper alternative

Where are you buying your parts from?

Trying to get it all from Newegg. I'm near a Fry's and Microcenter that I can utilize if I'm not too lazy. Might try other sites if the deals are worth the hassle.

Cases I've got in mind

CPU and Mobo combo or I could combo it with a mobo from Asus/MSI/Gigabyte if that Biostar is a bit shoddy

I'm salvaging 2x 320gb 5400rpm WD hard drives from old laptops. I think they're 2.5", so I'd need an adapter or something to keep them in place? Also salvaging a CD/DVD drive

So I still need to find RAM, prob 4gb, a PSU, a keyboard, a fairly quiet HSF(a more compact version of a hyper 212+ would be something along the lines of what I'd like to get)

Thanks ahead of time
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 03:20 GMT
#16865
um you really don't need an aftermarket heatsink for that.

Also for general gaming usage a G530 and its integrated graphics is more than enough and should make the setup total at around 200$. If you need more graphics you could try either a6-3670k or i3 2105
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
December 31 2011 03:28 GMT
#16866
Replacing power supply, old one is starting to fail. (Rubbery smell, fan failing as well and already replaced it once).

Right now I need one that can power an amd phenom II quad at 3.6mhz, gtx 260 slightly overclocked, 2 hd's, 4 fans, 8 gigs of ram.

I am looking to upgrade a bit over the next year, about 3 tiers higher GPU and CPU. (Probably an i5 2500k or such) so it would be nice to go ahead and get something that can power these without issue. I will only be running a single gpu.

I have narrowed it down by need and budget to one of these three but am having trouble deciding which one is best based on reviews and specs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031 620w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148022 680w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036 730w


Thanks for your time, would like to order before Dec ends so I can take advantage of a 10% off psu code I have.
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 31 2011 03:31 GMT
#16867
600w units are a waste of money if you have no intention of doing a multi-GPU configuration. The Rosewill Capstone 450 for $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 is what you want for every single GPU configuration. The apevia and raidmax is shit, the Antec Neo Eco is decent but significantly worse than the Capstone.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 03:34:38
December 31 2011 03:33 GMT
#16868
edit: nevermind skyR beat me to it.

The Antec is pretty decent and the others are pretty bad. Also an i5-2500k would use a lot less power than the Phenom II X4, and if you're getting like HD 78xx or something like that, that's not going to be a power monster either. Power consumption's on the way down.

I recommend the Rosewill Capstone 450W ($60). It's going to be enough for any sane single-GPU setup out there (no, not if you overclock Sandy Bridge-E or an FX-8xxx and get a top-end GPU and overclock everything significantly, but everything else), and I wouldn't be surprised if it could supply more clean power than the Apevia and Raidmax, despite the labels given on the three units. It's a couple steps ahead of the Neo Eco in quality as well, pretty similar to Seasonic X Series but not modular.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
December 31 2011 04:52 GMT
#16869
Will definitely look into getting that one, then. Glad I came here first. So with the Capstone I shouldn't need to upgrade that psu *ever* if I am only going with 1 gpu, even if I overclock some etc?

Other places I have went have been misleading, telling me I needed at least 600w to run what I am upgrading to over the next few months. Glad they were wrong
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 31 2011 05:06 GMT
#16870
Yes, the Capstone is fine for an overclocked 2500k and any overclocked single GPU configuration.
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
December 31 2011 05:08 GMT
#16871
Alrighty, cool. Thanks both.

Funny, someone on another forum told me that 450w was useless and my gpu itself would use 400 of it. Told me to get at least 750 lol. Very glad that guy is completely wrong

Thanks again, will order now actually :D
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 05:19:34
December 31 2011 05:18 GMT
#16872
Ya that guy is an idiot and can't read English or have any understanding of power supplies. He's getting his numbers off of power consumption charts for the entire system most likely or misunderstanding manufacturer recommended wattage.

+ Show Spoiler [chart] +
[image loading]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/27


You can see that the chart is for the entire system drawn at the wall. The configuration used here is using an overclocked Bloomfield (first generation core i7) which uses significantly more power than a 2500k. Even with a more power hungry processor, only the highest end cards such as the GTX 580 ever surpass 400w. This measurement is AC (measured at the wall), your power supply is DC. Your typical power supplies are 80% efficient so 400w measured at the wall means your power supply is only using 320w.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 05:21 GMT
#16873
capstones are more like 90% though, also another thing to note is that all the capstones are rated for silver at their rated wattage + 100w so you can think of the 450w gold unit as a 550w silver unit, and even then it has some overhead and can deliver over 600w just fine
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2011 05:28 GMT
#16874
Uh, by context, I would assume the reference to efficiency is about the power supply used for the measurements in the chart. If you look at the article, they're using an Antec True Power Quattro 1200W, which is more like 88% efficient at around 400W AC draw.

Yes it's a very minor detail that doesn't much detract from getting the point across, but I'd be very surprised to see a reviewer use a power supply that's less efficient than 80 plus certified, for their bench tests. A lot of PSUs that aren't even 80 plus will be more than 80% efficient at the kind of loads you see in the chart, like original Corsair CX.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 05:36 GMT
#16875
As we're on the topic of power supplies, how would you feel about this:
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=49108&agid=1626

Used to power something like i3 2100 and 6850? Is it a decent unit?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spscannon
Profile Joined November 2011
146 Posts
December 31 2011 05:37 GMT
#16876
so for an i5 2500k/hd 6870 overclocked you would recommend the rosewill 450 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066. Do you guys feel like it will drop any lower than the 60 dollars it is at right now within the next week? Or should i just buy it now in case it goes back up in price
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 05:39 GMT
#16877
60$ is way too cheap for it so no, I think it was supposed to go right back up to 80$ by 2012 so tomorrow
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 31 2011 05:48 GMT
#16878
Chieftec iArena is CWT GPA. Note that Chieftec's model string starts with "GPA-" then the wattage. It makes sense since the price is too low to be CWT DSAII or something like that, and this is 230V only.

http://www.cwt.com.tw/english/2_product/01_list2.php?ID=146
http://www.chieftec.com/power_GPA.html

Maybe not so good? i3-2100 and HD 6850 should be okay though.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8315
Skrillex1
Profile Joined July 2011
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 06:04:42
December 31 2011 05:52 GMT
#16879
What is your budget?
Sub 400 bucks

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Only play SC2, but will need to be able to run Photoshop smoothly. Would also like to be able to stream.

What is your upgrade cycle?
Well, I haven't upgraded my comp in about 3yrs now.

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as I could.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope, don't plan on getting into that.

Do you need an Operating System?
Pfft...no.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Negativo

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg or tigerdirect

I basically use my computer only to play starcraft, and I do that on low settings to minimize distractions. However, it will often still lag during large engagements, or if I going heavy on the lings. I am also going into graphic design and need a computer that won't be slowed when running Photoshop. Having the ability to stream seamlessly would also be nice. I'm very impatient when it comes to switching inbetween processes or loading times, so that definitely needs to be minimized.

I am going to be keeping my gpu, hard drive, and power supply, so I am only looking to upgrade my mobo, cpu and ram.


EDIT: Gonna post some of the stuff I've been looking into.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131724 mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189 ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 cpu
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 31 2011 05:54 GMT
#16880
On December 31 2011 14:48 Myrmidon wrote:
Chieftec iArena is CWT GPA. Note that Chieftec's model string starts with "GPA-" then the wattage. It makes sense since the price is too low to be CWT DSAII or something like that, and this is 230V only.

http://www.cwt.com.tw/english/2_product/01_list2.php?ID=146
http://www.chieftec.com/power_GPA.html

Maybe not so good? i3-2100 and HD 6850 should be okay though.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8315

So it should be 80+ and 336W on 12v? That should be... pretty good for the price!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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