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Last question. If I were to substitute the 5770 into the build above, which brand would I get? Sapphire, Asus, ect? You mind linking it to me?
I guess it isn't a big deal if I have to turn down a few settings to High.
Edit: Would I still use the same PSU if I got the 5770?
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On September 26 2010 13:53 Myrmidon wrote:blitzkrieger: Agreed with skyR. Well, you can use a H55 mobo with a CPU without integrated graphics, but it seems like kind of a waste. I would get a i5-760, P55 mobo, and CM 690ii, especially since you can get them together in a combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500724-Simplicity-: For the price range, AMD is a better value. You may still have some fps issues at ultra at that resolution for larger battles, but it should be good to go mostly. A GTX 460 1GB here beats the HD 5830 in SC2 by a decent but not large amount. Phenom II X4 955 + ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.509748MSI GTX 460 1 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-127-510-_-ProductA-Data 2x2GB DDR3 1333 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211410Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152244Asus CD/DVD burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204Antec 300 + Antec Neo Eco 520C http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492901If you're worried about the CPU bottlenecking performance in some scenarios, you can overclock it. You would want an aftermarket CPU cooler when doing so, and a Hyper 212+ is a favorite option of many for the price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065edit: + Show Spoiler [option 2] +If you want to spend up to $750 (with mail-in rebates) to get a better CPU, case, and modular PSU, you can do that as well. A case and PSU can last for more than one computer anyhow, so it could make sense to spend now. You can get the combo above of the i5-760, P55 mobo, and CM 690ii advanced: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500724And this GTX 460 1GB + OCZ ModXStream 600W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.493758Same RAM, HDD, and optical drive as before. In a worst case scenario for the CPU, here are fps you get, as seen in a benchmark. An i5-760 would be between the listed i5-750 and i7-860 in SC2, and the Phenom II X4 955 would be where the Phenom II X6 1090T is listed. (without considering overclocking) http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,766589/Starcraft-2-CPU-benchmarks-Intel-on-top-quads-without-performance-benefit/Practice/
Ok so basically I am upgrading this comp and gonna get a new comp later. My dad needs a computer for audio/guitar editing software so I am basically making that now, and giving it to him later. I have all the parts to make ANOTHER PC for basic online, wordprocessing, etc since his 7+yr old PC is about to fail any day.
Later on (a year or two) I will make my own PC.
I like this combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500724
Which helps a lot as sure as you know its compatible. I am freaking out about compatibility like OCD rofl...
Is this ram good?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225
I hear corsair/patriot are the way to go for ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220503
Mail in rebates are usually scams though...
Also how good is my Nvidia Geforce 9800 GTX+ 1GB card? I never see it on those performances. Its made by EVGA as well.
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You only need a dual channel set for Lynnfields.
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On September 26 2010 15:00 mav451 wrote:
You only need a dual channel set for Lynnfields.
So 6gb is overkill? Can 4 be expanded to 8 later because this is going to be used for music software?
Get 4 now.
Get 4 Later
Get 6 now. Done.
What if I want to stock overclock this CPU a bit? Does Ram matter for that?
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Well if he needs 8GB, then get 4GB x 2 setup then. Filling up all slots is never a good idea.
Regarding overclocking, you can adjust your RAM multi (3x,4x,5x, etc.)
So here's an example.
Intel stock BLCK is 133. So at a stock BLCK, at 5x multi, you would be running the RAM at 133x5 = 666 (DDR) >> 1333Mhz. If you bought slower RAM, drop down to 4x - 133x4 = 533 (DDR) >> 1066Mhz.
Likewise, you will probably need to tweak it during OCing. Say I'm at BLCK 172. 4x multi = 688 (DDR) >> 1376Mhz. At 5x multi, I'd be at 860 (DDR) >> 1720Mhz. This would be out-of-spec for 1333/1600 kits...unless you want to OC your RAM too. That introduces more variables though...and will take a much longer response to address.
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On September 26 2010 14:43 -Simplicity- wrote:Last question. If I were to substitute the 5770 into the build above, which brand would I get? Sapphire, Asus, ect? You mind linking it to me? I guess it isn't a big deal if I have to turn down a few settings to High. Edit: Would I still use the same PSU if I got the 5770?
Well, if you're concerned about the price, you may as well give these a shot, with their newegg promo codes and potential mail-in rebates. Different video cards from different manufacturers are usually marginally different in terms of hardware and design, so you would normally consider different customer service/warranty along with the price. But the price difference here may make this particular HD 5770 a good deal. People generally recommend most of Antec's PSUs but the Basiq line, but the 430W model in particular is supposed to be from a different, better manufacturer (Delta) from the rest so it should be okay:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131327
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129065
And blitzkrieger, listen to mav451 on RAM, yes.
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I feel super retarded atm, been reading stuff about computers all day trying to figure it out, just like I was reading all about keyboards all day yesterday before getting my FILCO rofl... brain = fried
So I only need 4GB of RAM then?
Corsair is good rite?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
And yeh excuse my noobiness/ignorance you guys are super helpful while I'm slamming my head into the wall :D
The mobo lets me get connected to the internet right?
Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset Realtek 8111D
Max LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps
Edit: Last main concern is my HD and DVD Drive being compatible. I don't know why the wouldn't be but yeh I'm worried about that stuff. A friend who was supposed to know compatibility told me something wrong once and I barely caught it at the last minute so since my OCD was rewarded I'm always freaking out.
Hard Drive:
Western Digital 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM)
DVD:
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
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Well, if you're concerned about the price, you may as well give these a shot, with their newegg promo codes and potential mail-in rebates. Different video cards from different manufacturers are usually marginally different in terms of hardware and design, so you would normally consider different customer service/warranty along with the price. But the price difference here may make this particular HD 5770 a good deal. People generally recommend most of Antec's PSUs but the Basiq line, but the 430W model in particular is supposed to be from a different, better manufacturer (Delta) from the rest so it should be okay: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131327http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129065
For sure the last question this time!
Sorry if this is a dumb question but that power supply says it's 430 watts however the system requirement for the 5770 says it requires a 450 watt power supply. Does it really matter?
Thanks for all your help!
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@blitz
Your 9800GTX+ is similar to a GTS 250.
No network card is needed. All the motherboards will have 1 or more ethernet ports allowing you to connect to the internet or setup a network.
Which brand of ram is up to you since the majority of manufacturers are really good at RMA and pricing. GSkill, Corsair, OCZ, Mushkin, Crucial, etc.
There won't be any compatibility issues with HDDs or DVD Drives, they just need sata and power cables plugged into them.
@-Simplicity-
As long as you have a quality PSU than it doesn't matter.
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On September 26 2010 16:09 skyR wrote:
@blitz
Your 9800GTX+ is similar to a GTS 250.
No network card is needed. All the motherboards will have 1 or more ethernet ports allowing you to connect to the internet or setup a network.
Which brand of ram is up to you since the majority of manufacturers are really good at RMA and pricing. GSkill, Corsair, OCZ, Mushkin, Crucial, etc.
There won't be any compatibility issues with HDDs or DVD Drives, they just need sata and power cables plugged into them.
@-Simplicity-
As long as you have a quality PSU than it doesn't matter.
So thank you FragKrag, Myrmidon, and skyR and anyone else who helped.
Most of the things I was pretty sure but still not 100% and I absolutely hate RMA, or returning stuff since it takes so long. I got some Gskill b/c the Corsair seemed to be having a lot of problems with DOA.
The only very last thing is... a cheap, reliable printer for college papers. I know they try to get you with the ink as well.
I will be building a PC for my dad to use out of my parts and his comp. He gets constant BSOD and problems and its not Virus as far as I can tell. Basically just taking his HDD, DVD/CD burner, Floppy and using my original 350W PS and Nvidia 7900GS so he has a reliable comp. Also giving him my wireless mouse/KB :D.
He actually has a good Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Card I might take if its any good, not sure how much audio changes over time but it might be better than integrated.
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Ok actually there is one more thing. Since I am taking my dad's hard drive and putting it in my old parts do I need to get windows 7? He has XP, prob reg home edition from Dell. It cost $100 to upgrade to Windows 7.
1) Update his HD to win7, then install it in my old PC.
2) Install it in my old PC, upgrade it to win7.
3) Win7 isn't worth it, 1 core and 2gb of ram is enough.
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you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do
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On September 26 2010 21:52 KOFgokuon wrote:
you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do
I don't think its XP Pro, XP Home Edition OEM from Dell prob w/o CD. I can check later but not atm. Is upgrading to XP Pro better or even possible? I'm just looking for any solutions.
I mean considering 100bucks to get win7 and a pretty huge upgrade he would do it.
I posted what I'm trying to do here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/113855-changing-hds-updating-win7.html#post979813
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On September 26 2010 21:56 blitzkrieger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2010 21:52 KOFgokuon wrote:
you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do I don't think its XP Pro, XP Home Edition OEM from Dell prob w/o CD. I can check later but not atm. Is upgrading to XP Pro better or even possible? I'm just looking for any solutions. I mean considering 100bucks to get win7 and a pretty huge upgrade he would do it. I posted what I'm trying to do here: http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/113855-changing-hds-updating-win7.html#post979813
If its an OEM version (which it will be if its Dell) you can't use it in a new computer anyway. Its license is tied to the original motherboard. You will need to do a clean install of windows when you move the hard drive anyway so you might as well buy windows 7. As long as you don't plan on upgrading again soon, get the system builder's version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
Also, if you are keeping your harddrive and DVD drive, make sure they are SATA and not IDE. Nearly all motherboards nowdays have only 1 IDE slot, if even that.
Also just to clarify one thing. If you switch a hard drive into a different computer, you WILL need to wipe it completely and reinstall windows + everything else. It will not work otherwise. If the reason you are keeping your old hard drive is for files, don't bother. You'll have to just back them up on a memory stick or something and put them back on after.
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On September 26 2010 22:16 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2010 21:56 blitzkrieger wrote:On September 26 2010 21:52 KOFgokuon wrote:
you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do I don't think its XP Pro, XP Home Edition OEM from Dell prob w/o CD. I can check later but not atm. Is upgrading to XP Pro better or even possible? I'm just looking for any solutions. I mean considering 100bucks to get win7 and a pretty huge upgrade he would do it. I posted what I'm trying to do here: http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/113855-changing-hds-updating-win7.html#post979813 If its an OEM version (which it will be if its Dell) you can't use it in a new computer anyway. Its license is tied to the original motherboard. You will need to do a clean install of windows when you move the hard drive anyway so you might as well buy windows 7. As long as you don't plan on upgrading again soon, get the system builder's version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754Also, if you are keeping your harddrive and DVD drive, make sure they are SATA and not IDE. Nearly all motherboards nowdays have only 1 IDE slot, if even that. Also just to clarify one thing. If you switch a hard drive into a different computer, you WILL need to wipe it completely and reinstall windows + everything else. It will not work otherwise. If the reason you are keeping your old hard drive is for files, don't bother. You'll have to just back them up on a memory stick or something and put them back on after.
Thx for info I appreciate it and this was my backup plan if I couldn't do anything about it.
This HDD looks good, basically an upgrade of what I got now. I have a 250GB atm and its 110GB full rofl, but I guess I can keep all my Steam games.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
I only need Office 2010 which is actually a RETAIL version so I can prob get MS to let it be on my new comp :D if not I know a free knockoff.
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On September 26 2010 23:36 blitzkrieger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2010 22:16 deconduo wrote:On September 26 2010 21:56 blitzkrieger wrote:On September 26 2010 21:52 KOFgokuon wrote:
you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do I don't think its XP Pro, XP Home Edition OEM from Dell prob w/o CD. I can check later but not atm. Is upgrading to XP Pro better or even possible? I'm just looking for any solutions. I mean considering 100bucks to get win7 and a pretty huge upgrade he would do it. I posted what I'm trying to do here: http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/113855-changing-hds-updating-win7.html#post979813 If its an OEM version (which it will be if its Dell) you can't use it in a new computer anyway. Its license is tied to the original motherboard. You will need to do a clean install of windows when you move the hard drive anyway so you might as well buy windows 7. As long as you don't plan on upgrading again soon, get the system builder's version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754Also, if you are keeping your harddrive and DVD drive, make sure they are SATA and not IDE. Nearly all motherboards nowdays have only 1 IDE slot, if even that. Also just to clarify one thing. If you switch a hard drive into a different computer, you WILL need to wipe it completely and reinstall windows + everything else. It will not work otherwise. If the reason you are keeping your old hard drive is for files, don't bother. You'll have to just back them up on a memory stick or something and put them back on after. Thx for info I appreciate it and this was my backup plan if I couldn't do anything about it. This HDD looks good, basically an upgrade of what I got now. I have a 250GB atm and its 110GB full rofl, but I guess I can keep all my Steam games. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319I only need Office 2010 which is actually a RETAIL version so I can prob get MS to let it be on my new comp :D if not I know a free knockoff.
If you have the retail version of office you are fine, you can install it on a new comp no problem.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 26 2010 23:36 blitzkrieger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2010 22:16 deconduo wrote:On September 26 2010 21:56 blitzkrieger wrote:On September 26 2010 21:52 KOFgokuon wrote:
you can use quad cores with windows xp, so i don't see how that matters
you can also use 3 gb of ram
it really depends on what you're trying to do I don't think its XP Pro, XP Home Edition OEM from Dell prob w/o CD. I can check later but not atm. Is upgrading to XP Pro better or even possible? I'm just looking for any solutions. I mean considering 100bucks to get win7 and a pretty huge upgrade he would do it. I posted what I'm trying to do here: http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/113855-changing-hds-updating-win7.html#post979813 If its an OEM version (which it will be if its Dell) you can't use it in a new computer anyway. Its license is tied to the original motherboard. You will need to do a clean install of windows when you move the hard drive anyway so you might as well buy windows 7. As long as you don't plan on upgrading again soon, get the system builder's version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754Also, if you are keeping your harddrive and DVD drive, make sure they are SATA and not IDE. Nearly all motherboards nowdays have only 1 IDE slot, if even that. Also just to clarify one thing. If you switch a hard drive into a different computer, you WILL need to wipe it completely and reinstall windows + everything else. It will not work otherwise. If the reason you are keeping your old hard drive is for files, don't bother. You'll have to just back them up on a memory stick or something and put them back on after. Thx for info I appreciate it and this was my backup plan if I couldn't do anything about it. This HDD looks good, basically an upgrade of what I got now. I have a 250GB atm and its 110GB full rofl, but I guess I can keep all my Steam games. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319I only need Office 2010 which is actually a RETAIL version so I can prob get MS to let it be on my new comp :D if not I know a free knockoff.
Its a download but they say it has the rights of retail if that makes any sense.
Also now I am worried about my ODD. Since I am switching them do I need software for them immediately, like a disc? Or can I get my OS up and then look for it online? I know what my ODD is and found the software for it online already. If I gotta install Win7 from USB I know how to that as well.
<-- First full build, excited but worried about breaking stuff....
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Hello guys im looking to build a powerful gaming CPU
Here is what i am looking at:
mobo + cpu : Core i7- 930 & Asus P6T SE (Green) X58 w/1394/GBE/Sound
graphics card: GtX 460 palit sonic platinum 1gb
power supply: Corsair HX750W Modular PSU 80 Plus
dvd writer: Samsung S223 22x DvD+-RW
harddisk: WD 2TB 64MB (Caviar Green)
Ram: PC3 12800/1600 Corsair CL9 (Kit) 4GB total
Casing: Antec Nine Hundred Two (902) Gaming Case
I do not really have a budget for my cpu however i would like to have your opinion or advice on what should i get to be more cost efficient, I am considering Gtx 480 too, so just throw whatever you guys feel i need to change or whatever you feel is better, i am quite unsure of what RAM or MOBO to get.
I am just a gamer, i do not overclock or tweak stuff if that helps in your decision making.
Cheers everybody have a great day and thanks in advance!
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what you can do is get the i5 760 + a cheaper P55 motherboard. That would shave about $100 off your build :o
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Agreed, for a gamer not using other heavy applications and not desiring to use 3 or more GPUs, a core i5-7xx + cheaper P55 motherboard would be just as good as the i7-930 and X58 motherboard.
If you're not overclocking, you don't need RAM rated over PC3 10666 (1333), so you can save a little bit there too.
The WD Caviar Green is slower (5400 rpm compared to usual 7200 rpm), lower-power, and a little bit cheaper compared to most desktop drives. For a primary hard drive, people usually recommend other drives like Samsung's Spinpoint, WD Caviar Blue or Black (and others), since the Caviar Green would be slower booting up and loading applications, etc.
The PSU is way overkill. Unless you have multiple GPUs, lots of hard drives, are overclocking a lot, or using a GTX 480 or HD 5970, a single-GPU computer will not need over 500W. Many gaming computers use much less.
GTX 460 is enough for modern games. GTX 470 or HD 5850 may be also fine if you want something that is more powerful, but the GTX 460 is the best value in the high-end range. I think it's better to go with the good value now and then upgrade the GPU if necessary later on.
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