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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 00:42:23
September 29 2010 00:42 GMT
#1661
Can't believe I'm not done with this thread! Well I bought everyone, only to hear the tech support guy at my work highly suggest me to buy a new hard drive instead of reusing my old one (reformatting it) since it's already ~4 years old. Apparently it's already past the average fail rate for hard drives so...

Any suggestions? I already bought a OCZ Vertex 2 SSD 60GB. I'm thinking of getting a Hard drive between 300 - 500 GB. Nothing smaller than 300 but if there's a good deal I'll get above 500 GB, although I doubt I'll ever go that high tbh. I don't know anything about seek/write times, but from what I hear I want at MINIMUM 7200 RPM and preferably higher than that (10,000?). Hopefully I won't spend much more than ~$100 before tax.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 29 2010 00:50 GMT
#1662
Spinpoint F3 500gb

Western Digital Blue Caviar 320/500 gb

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 320/500 gb
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johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
September 29 2010 00:53 GMT
#1663
Hard drives are really cheap now.

The Spinpoint and Seagate ones you could actually go for the 1TB version without going over budget.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
September 29 2010 00:59 GMT
#1664
Well the Egg is showing both the F3 and 10EALS at $75. I swore they used to be $59/$69 just a week ago, oh well.

But yeah, 4years for most consumer drives is about the time I retire a drive (working or not). It's not worth the risk after that.
With no power comes no responsibility?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 01:06:11
September 29 2010 01:05 GMT
#1665
What's the diff between SATA 3.0 gb/s and SATA 6.0/ gb/s. I'm guessing 6.0 is better but to be specific...?

Does it matter if it's 2.5 inch or 3.5 inch? I have no idea.

I was looking at this one...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL092410&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL092410-_-EMC-092410-Latest-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22136533-L02A

What does it mean by "bare case"?

If there's not a big diff between 3.0 and 6.0 I'd just soon as get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL092410&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL092410-_-EMC-092410-Latest-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22136073-L02B
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 29 2010 01:14 GMT
#1666
Those are the bandwidths allowed on the hard drive. But mechanical hard drives never reach speeds as close to 3.0 unless it's a RAID setup. Labeling the product 6.0gb/s is just a marketing gimmick.

bare case means you get the hard drive only. You'll need a SATA cable, which you should have from purchasing the motherboard, to connect it. Also a SATA?/Peripheral? power connector from your PSU.

Yeah that 500gb blue is good especially after the discounts.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 29 2010 02:44 GMT
#1667
A lot of motherboards come with just 2 SATA cables, but you should of course check what you have. Data from the drive goes through one of these to a plug on the motherboard to the rest of the system.

If you already have an SSD and an optical drive, those are already using a SATA cable each so you may need to get an extra for like $2.

Concurred, the WD Caviar Blue 500GB for $40 is a great value. I would think that a drive with a 3 year warranty--or any drive--wouldn't have a mean time of failure of 4 years, but whatever. It's not expensive to get a new one like that.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 29 2010 02:59 GMT
#1668
On September 29 2010 08:54 GeneralStan wrote:
The LGA1156 socket is also likely to have much more room for expansion in the coming couple of years, which is a factor in your consideration.


What? No, all current sockets (AM3, 1156, 1366) are all dead by the end of 2011. Sandy Bridge is LGA1155 (no it is not compatible with LGA1156 as they have different socket notches) and Bulldozer will end up on AM3+ (which apparently is backwards compatible with older AMD processors).
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
September 29 2010 20:55 GMT
#1669
On September 29 2010 11:59 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 08:54 GeneralStan wrote:
The LGA1156 socket is also likely to have much more room for expansion in the coming couple of years, which is a factor in your consideration.


What? No, all current sockets (AM3, 1156, 1366) are all dead by the end of 2011. Sandy Bridge is LGA1155 (no it is not compatible with LGA1156 as they have different socket notches) and Bulldozer will end up on AM3+ (which apparently is backwards compatible with older AMD processors).


I stand corrected
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 21:10:13
September 29 2010 21:10 GMT
#1670
bulldozer will be backwards compatible but it's a one way street

a am3+ motherboard can do a am3 cpu.

but a am3+ cpu will not do a am3 mobo
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 29 2010 23:36 GMT
#1671
Can anyone tell me the importance of the cache? Googling it it just said "temporary memory," which means nothing to me. How much performance increase do you get as the cache increases? Is there a noticeable difference between a 64 MB cache and 16 MB cache? Because as posted above the western digital HD with 16 MB cache is only $43 for me after tax and shipping. But I also just found another Western Digital with the exact same specs for $99, but it's 1.5 TB instead of 500 GB with a 64 MB cache instead of 16 MB.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 30 2010 00:12 GMT
#1672
Different amounts of cache for HDDs result in pretty much negligible differences. The cache matters even less if you have an SSD, since the HDD will mostly be accessed for large sequential reads and writes. But really now: who cares about the HDD's performance when all your frequently-accessed files are on the SSD?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 30 2010 00:14 GMT
#1673
Uh, well I only have a 60 GB SSD, so no a majority of the stuff will be on a the HDD. So you're saying it's a negligible dif and I should just get the 500 GB 16 MB cache 7200 RPM listed above? Gonna buy now...
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 30 2010 00:29 GMT
#1674
Yeah the 7200 RPM is more important than the cache. Get it!
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 30 2010 00:34 GMT
#1675
On September 30 2010 09:29 R04R wrote:
Yeah the 7200 RPM is more important than the cache. Get it!


Bought, thanks!
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 30 2010 02:31 GMT
#1676
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54626&vpn=N460GTX Cyclone768D5/OC&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar&promoid=1018

Not bad
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 02:31:43
October 01 2010 09:43 GMT
#1677
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irfatality
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
October 01 2010 10:15 GMT
#1678
I'm building a computer for playing many games at ultra settings and need advice if I should buy this setup I have created. I have never built a computer before, but I have a friend who is able to help me build mine. I only have about a 100 dollars extra to spend so if you are suggesting to upgrade to something else keep that in mind. Without further adieu...irfatality WishList Also, I would like to have it for the next 4ish years as I will be going to college, but it will be possible for me to upgrade parts every 2 years or so.
~Mais
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
October 01 2010 12:24 GMT
#1679
On October 01 2010 18:43 Sero wrote:
Since I'm in desperate need of a new computer, I've asked a friend of mine to help me build one using parts chosen from Newegg. He's come up with a Wish List of everything, and I was wondering if I could get some opinions on what he's chosen. Are each of the parts good choices, or are some unnecessarily lavish while others are lacking? I'm looking to stay at about the price range shown in the total cost, (which does include a monitor) but I'd be willing to spend more if a certain part is particularly worth it. Hoping to be able to run at max settings, although if it's a significant cost increase to do so, then I'd rather save the money. I'm really just looking to get the most value out of it that I can. Thanks for the help, any suggestions are appreciated.

get a 1 gb spinpoint instead, way more capacity for only a little more cost
also at your budget, you should get a 1 gb gtx 460 instead of a superclocked 768 mb, considering it's so easy to just overclock your card and reach the same clock speed anyways
i don't know the performance of that cpu cooler but I've never heard of that company>?
you don't have a power supply in that build
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
October 01 2010 12:25 GMT
#1680
On October 01 2010 19:15 irfatality wrote:
I'm building a computer for playing many games at ultra settings and need advice if I should buy this setup I have created. I have never built a computer before, but I have a friend who is able to help me build mine. I only have about a 100 dollars extra to spend so if you are suggesting to upgrade to something else keep that in mind. Without further adieu...irfatality WishList Also, I would like to have it for the next 4ish years as I will be going to college, but it will be possible for me to upgrade parts every 2 years or so.


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