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On November 09 2011 06:37 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 06:34 NokCha wrote:On November 09 2011 06:19 Shikyo wrote:On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.
Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.
She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any. Do you have ANY idea how terrible 150$ workstation GPUs even are? The decent ones that are significantly better than gaming gpus are in the 2000$ range. And a 300$ gaming GPU is going to DESTROY a 150$ workstation gpu guaranteed. Compare these specs, which do you think is going to perform better in 3dsmax, your honest opinion: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133211http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125384 I'm unsure what your trying to state. Yes a gaming GPU will DESTROY a workstation gpu when it comes to gaming. Its hard to compare the two because they are for completely different purposes. One renders opengl applications better while the other renders better gaming performance. I think you only the $2000 range ones if you work in a laboratory or work intensive environments. She just wants to run autocad, 3ds max and some other programs. Like i stated multiple times. I'm not familiar with those programs. Don't bash me for not knowing something i honestly don't know about. I'm just asking for help from hopefully from someone who actually uses these programs on a day to day basis. All i know is that workstation cards will always be ahead in applications compared to its equivalent gaming graphics cards counterparts. 3dsmax requires 1gb of GDDR. a 150$ card only has 256mb. If you want a workstation card with the 1gb of memory, you're going to have to pay over 1000$ for it. Clear enough? Or do you not know what "value for money" means? You just posted a comparison of a card worth 1500$ vs a card worth 100$ as an attempt to prove something - are you joking? Also we're not talking about a 150-200$ costier workstation card. We're talking about a 150$ workstation card vs a 300$ gaming card. You forgot that already?
Why are you so worked up over this? I don't even recall offending you in any sort of manner. Do you act like this to everyone who asks for help? I get that a good gaming graphics card would be enough but had you just mentioned that the 3DS max required 1 gb of GDDR then i would've probably got the message rather than you just raging at me even when i said i'm unfamiliar with workstation gpu's and the like.
Shes not my gf. Shes my friend. Man you need to relax.
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Sometimes we get worked up when people compare technology that is a factor of 8 in terms of price difference.
If there are hybrid workstation drivers out there I am sure they would require two monitors at the very least. And I wouldnt trust the drivers at all since this is kind of a really small market.
If she is willing to spend 150 on 2 different cards, she should instead spend 300 on one card. And unless she plans on rendering the next Squaresoft movie or Blizzard cutscene, a gaming card will work just fine.
I remember running CAD with pentium 3's and no graphics card. Should be fine.
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@nokcha, okay, friend, my bad.
And the reason I get worked up is because you keep saying that a 2000$ card is better than a 150$ gaming card. You NEVER even compared a similiar cost card. Let alone a 150$ card. Ya know, the ones with 256mb of DDR2 memory. It's true that a 2000$ card performs better than a 300$ gaming card. That's pretty obvious, isn't it? You even mentioned you don't know much - then don't argue.
Such one that you could probably buy multiple ones and sell for profit
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On November 09 2011 07:04 Shikyo wrote:Such one that you could probably buy multiple ones and sell for profit
Yeah I figured ^^
Thank you.
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On November 09 2011 06:46 NokCha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 06:37 Shikyo wrote:On November 09 2011 06:34 NokCha wrote:On November 09 2011 06:19 Shikyo wrote:On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.
Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.
She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any. Do you have ANY idea how terrible 150$ workstation GPUs even are? The decent ones that are significantly better than gaming gpus are in the 2000$ range. And a 300$ gaming GPU is going to DESTROY a 150$ workstation gpu guaranteed. Compare these specs, which do you think is going to perform better in 3dsmax, your honest opinion: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133211http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125384 I'm unsure what your trying to state. Yes a gaming GPU will DESTROY a workstation gpu when it comes to gaming. Its hard to compare the two because they are for completely different purposes. One renders opengl applications better while the other renders better gaming performance. I think you only the $2000 range ones if you work in a laboratory or work intensive environments. She just wants to run autocad, 3ds max and some other programs. Like i stated multiple times. I'm not familiar with those programs. Don't bash me for not knowing something i honestly don't know about. I'm just asking for help from hopefully from someone who actually uses these programs on a day to day basis. All i know is that workstation cards will always be ahead in applications compared to its equivalent gaming graphics cards counterparts. 3dsmax requires 1gb of GDDR. a 150$ card only has 256mb. If you want a workstation card with the 1gb of memory, you're going to have to pay over 1000$ for it. Clear enough? Or do you not know what "value for money" means? You just posted a comparison of a card worth 1500$ vs a card worth 100$ as an attempt to prove something - are you joking? Also we're not talking about a 150-200$ costier workstation card. We're talking about a 150$ workstation card vs a 300$ gaming card. You forgot that already? Why are you so worked up over this? I don't even recall offending you in any sort of manner. Do you act like this to everyone who asks for help? I get that a good gaming graphics card would be enough but had you just mentioned that the 3DS max required 1 gb of GDDR then i would've probably got the message rather than you just raging at me even when i said i'm unfamiliar with workstation gpu's and the like. Shes not my gf. Shes my friend. Man you need to relax.
To be fair, he's been trying to make a point, and you continually insist on making counter points that are just frustrating him... you give an example comparing two cards and don't even research their price points.
Given the current state of the market due to what's happening in Thailand, it's a very good deal. They'll eventually go back to around that price though normally.
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On November 09 2011 07:04 Shikyo wrote:@nokcha, okay, friend, my bad. And the reason I get worked up is because you keep saying that a 2000$ card is better than a 150$ gaming card. You NEVER even compared a similiar cost card. Let alone a 150$ card. Ya know, the ones with 256mb of DDR2 memory. It's true that a 2000$ card performs better than a 300$ gaming card. That's pretty obvious, isn't it? You even mentioned you don't know much - then don't argue. Such one that you could probably buy multiple ones and sell for profit
Thanks for the clearup. Will let her know.
When i posted that link i wasn't even aware that the workstation gpu cost $2000 so my apologies.
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I have a question for you all:
after helping my friend pick out all his parts today at our local micro center, we were putting his computer together when we got to the SSD. His SSD is mounted on the bottom of his case and the cords we received with the motherboard will not fit. They are angled downwards right after the plug in and the bottom of the case interferes and prevents us from using that cord. Would one of the double ATA cords work (they fit) or will he have to find another way to mount it?
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So I've picked out a few parts for my new comp after browsing newegg for a while but I'm having trouble narrowing down some parts. Any help or suggestions would be great.
Currently chosen parts:
CPU: i5-2400 $190
GPU: EVGA GTX 560 Ti $250 (after MIR)
PSU: Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W Continuous Power $55
OD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X $19
Not yet decided parts:
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB $35 Shell shocker deal so I'd need to order this today/tomorrow.
or G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) $40
Is there anything more than a neglible benefit? A few extra dollars here and there doesn't matter too much if there is at least some gain.
Case: Don't know, something with minimal LED lights would be preferable and easy to open side panel would be nice but not required. And of course good ventilation for my video card and cpu.
HDD: Want a 1 TB although prices suck right now. 7200 is preferable.
Mobo: No idea at all
Going to be using this as my do everything computer - some gaming (SC2, LoL, possible future games), school, very minor video encoding, no streaming. I hope to order everything by the end of the month. I want to keep prices low but am flexible. Aiming for ~$800 if possible. Thanks!
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On November 09 2011 14:24 skyR wrote:
us.ncix.com has better pricing on the processor, power supply, and dvd drive.
Which parts specifically? The processor is $10 more exp and the dvd drive is about the same. I do get a better PSU for ~$3 cheaper even if I don't need that much power (650W vs 520W). Unless I'm not searching right, I've never used ncix before. Thanks for the help.
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hello guys,
just a really quick question.
I'm planning on upgrading my PC with the following parts:
- Intel Core i5 2500k (boxed)
- Gigabyte GA-z68P-DS3 mainboard
- Corsair 8GB ddr3-1600 kit
- PowerColor HD6950 2GB graphics card
I also have a Creative X-Fi titanium sound card, 2 SATA dvd-drives and 2 SATA harddrives in my case.
my question is: does the 500W Antec EarthWatts PSU that came with my case when I first bought it provide enough power output for my new setup?
thanks in advance 
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Yes, but why owhy that motherboard?
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my pc magazine of trust recommended it^^
why, do you have a better recommendation in that pricerange? (at least 1 ps/2 slot required, dont care about the rest ^^)
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ASRock Z68 PRO3-M.
mATX own zone, fairly cheap, decent BIOS, actually uses uEFI.
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Out of curiosity what is the difference between a 560 and a 560 ti? I know the ti is better, but what is different about it?
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cool, thanks.
any particular reason I should use the more expensive µATX version of this board when I easily have the space to use the ATX one?
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On November 09 2011 21:45 Alryk wrote:
Out of curiosity what is the difference between a 560 and a 560 ti? I know the ti is better, but what is different about it?
Its basically a broken GTX560 Ti that has some things (shaders in particular) disabled so it works properly. nVidia and AMD both do this to salvage potentially workable silicon from ending up inside a dumpster.
On November 09 2011 21:48 aendi wrote:
cool, thanks.
any particular reason I should use the more expensive µATX version of this board when I easily have the space to use the ATX one?
No, there isn't, Getting the standard ATX version is probably the better idea.
That being said, it would benefit you if you ever wanted to swap out your case. There are quite a number of extremely slick and effective mATX cases being released these days with less people caring about stupidly huge gaming PCs. With Silverstone's mini-towers like the PS07 and TJ08-E,there isn't a lot of reason to go ATX these days.
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