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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 08 2011 17:01 GMT
#14221
If that processor is not an i5-2500k you can save more money on the motherboard. You also will not needa CPU cooler as the processor comes with its own. A single GPU system will not need 530 watts especially if the processor has no plans of being overclocked, but some high powered PSU's are going for good values so no idea.

A setup like this should work well with something like Skyrim.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 08 2011 17:06 GMT
#14222
On November 08 2011 15:16 skyR wrote:
It'll be able to play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p but for newer games such as Battlefield 3, you'll be limited to ~high settings. It seems reasonably priced.


Are you sure a GTX 550 ti is capable of that?
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
November 08 2011 17:10 GMT
#14223
A friend of mine wants to build a computer that has a workstation gpu(for 3ds max and other opengl applications) and a gaming gpu(probably a HD 6850) on the same mobo. Would this be possible considering that both are hooked up to one monitor? How would you switch between graphics cards? Is it software based or would i have to access the bios. She doesn't want to buy two monitors as it goes over her budget. She doesn't want them crossfired(don't even think its possible) but just wants to be able to switch between graphic cards for gaming and for work.

Also, would you need a specific kind of motherboard for this type of configuration?

Would a crossfired 6850 perform well enough for 3ds max as an alternative? I'm unfamiliar with workstation gpus so i'm pretty lost :[

Any help on this matter would greatly be appreciated.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 17:29:39
November 08 2011 17:26 GMT
#14224
On November 09 2011 02:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 15:16 skyR wrote:
It'll be able to play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p but for newer games such as Battlefield 3, you'll be limited to ~high settings. It seems reasonably priced.


Are you sure a GTX 550 ti is capable of that?

it's not if you like 60 fps at all times but it comes pretty close.

On November 09 2011 02:10 NokCha wrote:
A friend of mine wants to build a computer that has a workstation gpu(for 3ds max and other opengl applications) and a gaming gpu(probably a HD 6850) on the same mobo. Would this be possible considering that both are hooked up to one monitor? How would you switch between graphics cards? Is it software based or would i have to access the bios. She doesn't want to buy two monitors as it goes over her budget. She doesn't want them crossfired(don't even think its possible) but just wants to be able to switch between graphic cards for gaming and for work.

Also, would you need a specific kind of motherboard for this type of configuration?

Would a crossfired 6850 perform well enough for 3ds max as an alternative? I'm unfamiliar with workstation gpus so i'm pretty lost :[

Any help on this matter would greatly be appreciated.

Imo workstation GPUs are a waste of money, especially for 3ds max and the like.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
November 08 2011 17:31 GMT
#14225
On November 09 2011 02:26 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 02:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 08 2011 15:16 skyR wrote:
It'll be able to play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p but for newer games such as Battlefield 3, you'll be limited to ~high settings. It seems reasonably priced.


Are you sure a GTX 550 ti is capable of that?

it's not if you like 60 fps at all times but it comes pretty close.

Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 02:10 NokCha wrote:
A friend of mine wants to build a computer that has a workstation gpu(for 3ds max and other opengl applications) and a gaming gpu(probably a HD 6850) on the same mobo. Would this be possible considering that both are hooked up to one monitor? How would you switch between graphics cards? Is it software based or would i have to access the bios. She doesn't want to buy two monitors as it goes over her budget. She doesn't want them crossfired(don't even think its possible) but just wants to be able to switch between graphic cards for gaming and for work.

Also, would you need a specific kind of motherboard for this type of configuration?

Would a crossfired 6850 perform well enough for 3ds max as an alternative? I'm unfamiliar with workstation gpus so i'm pretty lost :[

Any help on this matter would greatly be appreciated.

Imo workstation GPUs are a waste of money, especially for 3ds max and the like.


Hmm... Would going crossfired 6850's be enough so that there wouldn't be much lag when using such applications like 3ds max?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 08 2011 17:40 GMT
#14226
On November 09 2011 02:31 NokCha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 02:26 Shikyo wrote:
On November 09 2011 02:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
On November 08 2011 15:16 skyR wrote:
It'll be able to play Starcraft II on ultra at 1080p but for newer games such as Battlefield 3, you'll be limited to ~high settings. It seems reasonably priced.


Are you sure a GTX 550 ti is capable of that?

it's not if you like 60 fps at all times but it comes pretty close.

On November 09 2011 02:10 NokCha wrote:
A friend of mine wants to build a computer that has a workstation gpu(for 3ds max and other opengl applications) and a gaming gpu(probably a HD 6850) on the same mobo. Would this be possible considering that both are hooked up to one monitor? How would you switch between graphics cards? Is it software based or would i have to access the bios. She doesn't want to buy two monitors as it goes over her budget. She doesn't want them crossfired(don't even think its possible) but just wants to be able to switch between graphic cards for gaming and for work.

Also, would you need a specific kind of motherboard for this type of configuration?

Would a crossfired 6850 perform well enough for 3ds max as an alternative? I'm unfamiliar with workstation gpus so i'm pretty lost :[

Any help on this matter would greatly be appreciated.

Imo workstation GPUs are a waste of money, especially for 3ds max and the like.


Hmm... Would going crossfired 6850's be enough so that there wouldn't be much lag when using such applications like 3ds max?

Why would you even crossfire 6850s? 3ds max isn't exactly a super demanding program. You'd probably get much better performance with a 3GB GTX 580 over a Quadro 5000 and the GTX 580 is 4 times cheaper.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 08 2011 17:56 GMT
#14227
Seriously why crossfire 6850's.

Quad is clearly where its at bro. /s

Also unless his workstation demands are really high, I would not bother with a quadro of any kind.
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NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 20:11:10
November 08 2011 20:10 GMT
#14228
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.

Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.

She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
November 08 2011 20:15 GMT
#14229
On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.

Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.

She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any.


Why doesn't she just get a strong GPU overall? Being good at workplace things and being good at gaming are *not* mutually exclusive. If anything, a GPU that's good at one thing will be just as good at the other.
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
November 08 2011 20:29 GMT
#14230
Not sure.. I googled workstation gpus and it turned out that they blast a normal gaming gpu out of the water when it comes to applications like 3ds max. Whereas a workstation gpu cannot handle gaming well. So she figured that having one of each would be the best choice.

nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 08 2011 20:37 GMT
#14231
It depends on how heavy cad work she's doing. There is a reason there is a market for quadro and similar cards. And no a good gaming card is not necessarily good at work related applications. That said I'm using a 560 ti and I'm able to run my cad work drawings at home without any issues and they are fairly extensive. I'm not sure about interior designs but I think she'd be fine with a good gaming card.
excaliburPT
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal17 Posts
November 08 2011 20:37 GMT
#14232
On November 08 2011 11:44 Myrmidon wrote:

I would search far and wide to see if you can find a 500GB 7200rpm hard drive or similar, for less than 100 euros (it not, then fine)...maybe you can even find an external drive at a more general retailer, that's priced normally, and take the drive out of the enclosure to put in the computer.


I found a 500GB Caviar Green at a local store for ~60€. I'm not sure if it's 7200rpm... If it is though, should I buy it?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 08 2011 20:38 GMT
#14233
Caviar Greens aren't 7200rpm.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 20:41:24
November 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#14234
On November 09 2011 05:29 NokCha wrote:
Not sure.. I googled workstation gpus and it turned out that they blast a normal gaming gpu out of the water when it comes to applications like 3ds max. Whereas a workstation gpu cannot handle gaming well. So she figured that having one of each would be the best choice.


um.

3ds max recommends a DX10 graphics card with 1gb+ of memory when you have more than 1,000 objects or 100,000 polygons. How many does she typically have?


Also what do you mean they blow normal gpus out of the water in 3dsmax? Any reviews you have that compare graphics cards in the same price bracket?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 08 2011 20:49 GMT
#14235
On November 09 2011 05:37 excaliburPT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 11:44 Myrmidon wrote:

I would search far and wide to see if you can find a 500GB 7200rpm hard drive or similar, for less than 100 euros (it not, then fine)...maybe you can even find an external drive at a more general retailer, that's priced normally, and take the drive out of the enclosure to put in the computer.


I found a 500GB Caviar Green at a local store for ~60€. I'm not sure if it's 7200rpm... If it is though, should I buy it?


It's not 7200RPM. 500GB Caviar Greens used to go for about $35 I think before the price hikes, that by no means is a good deal. 500GB 7200 RPM drive used to cost about $40, now selling for about $60-75 depending where you look.
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
November 08 2011 20:57 GMT
#14236
On November 09 2011 05:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 05:29 NokCha wrote:
Not sure.. I googled workstation gpus and it turned out that they blast a normal gaming gpu out of the water when it comes to applications like 3ds max. Whereas a workstation gpu cannot handle gaming well. So she figured that having one of each would be the best choice.


um.

3ds max recommends a DX10 graphics card with 1gb+ of memory when you have more than 1,000 objects or 100,000 polygons. How many does she typically have?


Also what do you mean they blow normal gpus out of the water in 3dsmax? Any reviews you have that compare graphics cards in the same price bracket?


Like nam nam said, basically for work related applications a workstation GPU will always outperform an equivalent gaming GPU whereas vice versa the gaming GPU will always outperform the workstation GPU when gaming.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/quadro-fx-4800,2258-10.html

She builds extremely complicated objects on 3ds max but i can't really state a number.
excaliburPT
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal17 Posts
November 08 2011 21:04 GMT
#14237
On November 09 2011 05:38 skyR wrote:
Caviar Greens aren't 7200rpm.

On November 09 2011 05:49 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 05:37 excaliburPT wrote:
On November 08 2011 11:44 Myrmidon wrote:

I would search far and wide to see if you can find a 500GB 7200rpm hard drive or similar, for less than 100 euros (it not, then fine)...maybe you can even find an external drive at a more general retailer, that's priced normally, and take the drive out of the enclosure to put in the computer.


I found a 500GB Caviar Green at a local store for ~60€. I'm not sure if it's 7200rpm... If it is though, should I buy it?


It's not 7200RPM. 500GB Caviar Greens used to go for about $35 I think before the price hikes, that by no means is a good deal. 500GB 7200 RPM drive used to cost about $40, now selling for about $60-75 depending where you look.


Ok, thanks.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 21:30:37
November 08 2011 21:19 GMT
#14238
On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.

Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.

She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any.

Do you have ANY idea how terrible 150$ workstation GPUs even are? The decent ones that are significantly better than gaming gpus are in the 2000$ range.

And a 300$ gaming GPU is going to DESTROY a 150$ workstation gpu guaranteed.

Compare these specs, which do you think is going to perform better in 3dsmax, your honest opinion:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133211

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125384

On November 09 2011 05:57 NokCha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 05:39 Shikyo wrote:
On November 09 2011 05:29 NokCha wrote:
Not sure.. I googled workstation gpus and it turned out that they blast a normal gaming gpu out of the water when it comes to applications like 3ds max. Whereas a workstation gpu cannot handle gaming well. So she figured that having one of each would be the best choice.


um.

3ds max recommends a DX10 graphics card with 1gb+ of memory when you have more than 1,000 objects or 100,000 polygons. How many does she typically have?


Also what do you mean they blow normal gpus out of the water in 3dsmax? Any reviews you have that compare graphics cards in the same price bracket?


Like nam nam said, basically for work related applications a workstation GPU will always outperform an equivalent gaming GPU whereas vice versa the gaming GPU will always outperform the workstation GPU when gaming.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/quadro-fx-4800,2258-10.html

She builds extremely complicated objects on 3ds max but i can't really state a number.

And do you have ANY idea what card that one in the freaking comparison is??????? ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133252&Tpk=Quadro FX 4800

This one!!! Fits right in her budget, right? ?

"equivalent gaming GPU" yeah sure, if equivalent = 12 times cheaper
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 21:37:33
November 08 2011 21:34 GMT
#14239
On November 09 2011 06:19 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.

Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.

She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any.

Do you have ANY idea how terrible 150$ workstation GPUs even are? The decent ones that are significantly better than gaming gpus are in the 2000$ range.

And a 300$ gaming GPU is going to DESTROY a 150$ workstation gpu guaranteed.

Compare these specs, which do you think is going to perform better in 3dsmax, your honest opinion:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133211

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125384


I'm unsure what your trying to state. Yes a gaming GPU will DESTROY a workstation gpu when it comes to gaming. Its hard to compare the two because they are for completely different purposes. One renders opengl applications better while the other renders better gaming performance.

I think you only the $2000 range ones if you work in a laboratory or work intensive environments. She just wants to run autocad, 3ds max and some other programs.

Like i stated multiple times. I'm not familiar with those programs. Don't bash me for not knowing something i honestly don't know about. I'm just asking for help from hopefully from someone who actually uses these programs on a day to day basis.

All i know is that workstation cards will always be ahead in applications compared to its equivalent gaming graphics cards counterparts.

You don't need to buy the ridiculously expensive workstation cards to beat the gaming card. Only a difference of about $100-$200 is enough from what i know.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 21:45:33
November 08 2011 21:37 GMT
#14240
On November 09 2011 06:34 NokCha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 06:19 Shikyo wrote:
On November 09 2011 05:10 NokCha wrote:
the GTX 580 is much too expensive. She was hoping to purchase a $150 workstation GPU and a $150 gaming GPU. According to her the 3ds max and autocad and other intensive programs that definitely require a strong GPU.

Then again i'm not too familiar with the programs so if anyone who has familiar experience with any of these programs can help me that would be great.

She doesn't want to spent over 350 at max btw. She does interior design if that helps any.

Do you have ANY idea how terrible 150$ workstation GPUs even are? The decent ones that are significantly better than gaming gpus are in the 2000$ range.

And a 300$ gaming GPU is going to DESTROY a 150$ workstation gpu guaranteed.

Compare these specs, which do you think is going to perform better in 3dsmax, your honest opinion:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133211

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125384


I'm unsure what your trying to state. Yes a gaming GPU will DESTROY a workstation gpu when it comes to gaming. Its hard to compare the two because they are for completely different purposes. One renders opengl applications better while the other renders better gaming performance.

I think you only the $2000 range ones if you work in a laboratory or work intensive environments. She just wants to run autocad, 3ds max and some other programs.

Like i stated multiple times. I'm not familiar with those programs. Don't bash me for not knowing something i honestly don't know about. I'm just asking for help from hopefully from someone who actually uses these programs on a day to day basis.

All i know is that workstation cards will always be ahead in applications compared to its equivalent gaming graphics cards counterparts.

3dsmax requires 1gb of GDDR. a 150$ card only has 256mb. If you want a workstation card with the 1gb of memory, you're going to have to pay over 1000$ for it.

Clear enough? Or do you not know what "value for money" means? You just posted a comparison of a card worth 1500$ vs a card worth 100$ as an attempt to prove something - are you joking?


Also we're not talking about a 150-200$ costier workstation card. We're talking about a 150$ workstation card vs a 300$ gaming card. You forgot that already?


But for all I care, your gf can feel free to waste 150$ on a workstation card that gives her worse performance than her 150$ gaming card instead of buying a 300$ gaming card and getting far superior performance in both - not really my concern.
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