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On October 15 2011 12:19 Medrea wrote:
I just hope these guys figure out a consistent naming scheme.
There were a few naming changes between the 5 and 6 series for instance.
There is a 5830, but the 6830 is a mobility processor.
There is no 5790, but the 6790 goes into the spot that the 5830's successor would be in. you can think of a 6790 as the 6 series 5830.
The 5970 (great card!) is the dual GPU card of the 5 series, but the 6970 is a standalone card.
I would never suggest an x6xx card or lower though.
Well with the 6000s they jumped a bit forward so that 6900s were actually 5800s. I guess this was because they wanted to reuse the 5700s but they were already planning on having 2 higher GPU families, so they decided it'd be better to have those be 6900s and 6800s so they wouldn't have to call 5700s 6600s.
Then they couldn't really call the dual GPU a 7070 they kind of needed to make it 6990 because there weren't enough numbers left.
Can't explain why they called 6790 that instead of 6830, maybe because they thought it was closer to 6700s in performance or because it used more power connectors than 6850 so it would be strange.
The rest of it makes sense to me, though.
Btw 6790 isnt 5830s successor because of the new naming, it's more like 5770s successor and would have been 5730... so now its 6790 I guess and it kinda makes sense that way.
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Well it bothers me that there are people like THIS
Yes 5830 is a "media" card only capable of watching streams. It just so happens to require 2 PCI-e connections and run Crysis 2 at 60 FPS.
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5830 a media card that retailed for like 230$? =S I thought the x450 had stabilized as their media card
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On October 15 2011 12:31 Shikyo wrote:
5830 a media card that retailed for like 230$? =S I thought the x450 had stabilized as their media card
Nah the dude was applying the naming scheme from nVidia.
But man did he say it all over those forums.
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The successor to 5830 is more like the 6800 series... If you think a 6790 is in any way considered a successor to the 5830, you're hugely mistaken since 5830's debut MSRP was over $200.
It was named 6790 probably because of it's similarity to the 5770.
There is nothing inconsistent with their naming scheme. The higher the number, the better the card. They wanted to fill the ~$200 gap with something that isn't the failure 5830 so they moved their flagship series to 9 and made their performance series 8.
Much better than Nvidia's shit naming scheme, GTX 465 and GTX 460, ...lol? GTX 460 and GTX 460 SE, which one is better? GTX 560 and GTX 560 Ti, again which one is better? And what the hell is up with Titanium, why didn't they just name it a GT550?
I still don't understand why Nvidia skipped 300... =\
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I think Fermi got delayed so much that they had to jump up in numbers for it to appear stronger in comparison to AMD.
This reminds me that AMD has revolutiona-rapinated Nvidia twice already(4800s and 5800s).
I wonder if something similiar will happen with 7000s or if Nvidia will do the same as they did with 500s.
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6790, 6850,6870 can be crossfired.
5830, 5850, 5870 can be crossfired.
At least from a compatabilities standpoint the 6790 has a lot more in common with the 68xx series than anything else in its own 67xx series.
Since a 6790 goes with a 6850 and not a 6770 I have to figure its more similar at the hardware level as well.
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On October 15 2011 12:45 Medrea wrote:
6790, 6850,6870 can be crossfired.
5830, 5850, 5870 can be crossfired.
At least from a compatabilities standpoint the 6790 has a lot more in common with the 68xx series than anything else in its own 67xx series.
Since a 6790 goes with a 6850 and not a 6770 I have to figure its more similar at the hardware level as well.
6790 also is a cut-down 6870 so obviously they're related
But I still think they wanted to imply that in performance it's more in the 6700 family
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On October 15 2011 12:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 12:45 Medrea wrote:
6790, 6850,6870 can be crossfired.
5830, 5850, 5870 can be crossfired.
At least from a compatabilities standpoint the 6790 has a lot more in common with the 68xx series than anything else in its own 67xx series.
Since a 6790 goes with a 6850 and not a 6770 I have to figure its more similar at the hardware level as well. 6790 also is a cut-down 6870 so obviously they're related But I still think they wanted to imply that in performance it's more in the 6700 family
Yeah thats true I guess.
EDIT: If I was ATI I would maybe start thinking about making use of that last digit.
Is it used for anything? Even internally?
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I was referring to its specifications which is close to identical to that of a 5770.
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Well what I mean is that 6790 is called Barts LE, the 6800 series are Barts. But I guess they wanted a higher-end addition to the 6700 series but couldn't get any more performance from the outdated 5700 chip.
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The last digit isn't used probably because of simple marketing reasons. Using the last digit would mean an extra syllable, likely to be more confusion, and it's cluttered.
Maybe it's just me but 7850 and 7870 is much cleaner / easier to distinguish than 7855 and 7857.
Why would you use the last digit anyways, there's still 80 60 40 30 20 10 left. Not like we running out of space...
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Oh yeah good point we have a ton of space.
And yeah I understand the masses are attracted to big numbers.
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On October 15 2011 12:34 skyR wrote:
I still don't understand why Nvidia skipped 300... =\
Nvidia didn't skip 3xx. A lot of OEM systems have GeForce 3xx. I've seen one out in the wild, at least. Since Fermi was so long after 2xx, they more or less reused many of the GPUs for GT 240 and lower video cards for 3xx. GT 340 = GT 240, but the others don't correspond exactly. Also, it was a while after the GTX 480 before the launch of the GT 430, so there was no low-end Fermi for a long time.
On October 15 2011 12:55 Shikyo wrote:
Well what I mean is that 6790 is called Barts LE, the 6800 series are Barts. But I guess they wanted a higher-end addition to the 6700 series but couldn't get any more performance from the outdated 5700 chip.
I think 6790 is clearly more about marketing than anything else. HD 5830 was really unpopular as the twice-gimped HD 5870. xx3x is a bad recent memory for many, so they just avoid using that number even though twice-gimped HD 6870 (i.e. the HD 6790) would reasonably be called the HD 6830.
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Honestly if I were them, I'd copy Nvidia and go to a triple digit naming scheme and use suffixes (non-dumb suffixes) again. Something like Gold, Silver, Bronze is so straight forward that even a five year old understands.
Why no one does this is beyond me. Intel's processor naming scheme is dumb, Nvidia's naming with the suffix is dumb (didn't they say they want to get away from using suffixes?), and Samsung's new way of naming their Galaxy phones ... just wow.
The only naming scheme that I don't absolutely hate is Dell's monitor naming scheme which is so straight forward.
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Noctua's naming scheme is the best.
NH-D14 = Noctua Heatsink - Dual 14cm
NH-C14 = Noctua Heatsink - Compact 14cm
etc
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Heh 5830's are alright in my book. Most efficient card for hashing overall. 5870 is incredibly hard to find (they are the best otherwise). Cheap 5770's are even more efficient but require more supplies and motherboards which cuts into overrall profit.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Some of these values are old but you can pretty much see whats going on, and why nVidia cards are terrible for it, and CPU's in general.
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On October 15 2011 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
Noctua's naming scheme is the best.
NH-D14 = Noctua Heatsink - Dual 14cm
NH-C14 = Noctua Heatsink - Compact 14cm
etc
I had no idea that's even what it stood for.
For most people, if they care enough (but enough to look it up), they just figure out the naming schemes and can pretty much base levels that way.
There still aren't any xx3x ATI card I would want to get.
I have seen some 300 series NVIDIA cards as well. But not like any 360 or anything like that, just 310s and 320s. I thought they just didn't make 'em for a while either.
I have never gotten a straight answer why NVIDIA uses GT, GTS, and GTX.
I honestly prefer just HD xxxx.
It is nice to be able to differentiate 4 and 3 numbers on NVIDIA and ATI because that might cause some confusion if they ever overlap. Or even if they don't.
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can anyone link me to some statistics regarding ssd failure rates?
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On October 15 2011 16:51 Legatus Lanius wrote:
can anyone link me to some statistics regarding ssd failure rates?
What kind of failure.
DOA, longevity, or permanent crash.
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