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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
October 15 2011 08:05 GMT
#13181
On October 15 2011 17:03 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 16:51 Legatus Lanius wrote:
can anyone link me to some statistics regarding ssd failure rates?


What kind of failure.

DOA, longevity, or permanent crash.


longevity i guess, although id be interested in anything
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bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
October 15 2011 11:28 GMT
#13182
Will a PCI-e 2.0 GPU (GFX560)card work on a PCI-e 1.0 motherboard (abit IP35)? Any ill effects/slowdowns if it does? Thank you.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 11:37:31
October 15 2011 11:34 GMT
#13183
Depends. I ran into this issue awhile ago.

There are three standards. 1.0/2.0/2.1

1.0 slots will accept 2.0 cards and SOME 2.1 cards

I have an MSI 5770. It will work in my 7 year old motherboard no problems, and no loss of performance. This device is a 2.0 device. But not ALL 5770's are 2.0, many are 2.1

I have a Sapphire 5830. It is a 2.1 device and would not work in that slot. The fans would spin, but no visual could be gained.

To make sure you need to determine if the 560 is a 2.1 or 2.0 device. I believe it is new enough that it is under the new 2.1 standard, but manufacturers are not consistent. Someone with nVidia devices will probably step in.

Some motherboards that have 1.0 slots can be flashed to accept 2.1 devices. The last BIOS for my motherboard was written in 2006, so I had no option available to me.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
October 15 2011 12:23 GMT
#13184
On October 15 2011 16:51 Legatus Lanius wrote:
can anyone link me to some statistics regarding ssd failure rates?


Not entirely scientific or recent but here is a source talking about failure rates of storage mediums in general.

+ Show Spoiler [Rough translation from French] +
To be recorded the VAS had to be made directly through the merchant, which is not always the case since it is possible to return directly from the manufacturer: however, this represents a minority in the first year.

- Maxtor 1.04% (against 1.73%)
- Western Digital 1.45% (against 0.99%)
- Seagate 2.13% (against 2.58%)
- Samsung 2.47% (against 1.93%)
- Hitachi 3.39% (against 0.92%)

Hitachi is plummeting, which was first in the previous ranking! Western Digital retained its second place despite a failure rate increasing, while Maxtor is occupying the first place.

More specifically the failure rate for 1TB drives:

- 5.76% Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B
- 5.20% Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C
- 3.68% Seagate Barracuda 7200.11
- 3.37%: Samsung SpinPoint F1
- 2.51% Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
- 2.37%: WD Caviar Green WD10EARS
- 2.10% Seagate Barracuda LP
- 1.57%: Samsung SpinPoint F3
- 1.55%: WD Caviar Green WD10EADS
- 1.35%: WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS
- 1.24%: Maxtor DiamondMax 23

Hitachi is logically the less well placed, what with two separate lines! What about the 2 TB version?

- 9.71%: WD Caviar Black WD2001FASS
- 6.87% Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000
- 4.83%: WD Caviar Green WD20EARS
- 4.35% Seagate Barracuda LP
- 4.17%: Samsung EcoGreen F3
- 2.90%: WD Caviar Green WD20EADS

Overall, failure rates recorded are bad. That does not really want to entrust to 2TB of data to these discs alone: a mirroring will not be too much for securing data. Logically 7200 rpm disks are less reliable than the 5400/5900 rpm, with almost 10% for the Western model!

For the first time, we also integrate SSDs in this article type. The rates of failure recorded by manufacturer:

- Intel 0.59%
- Corsair 2.17%
- Crucial 2.25%
- Kingston 2.39%
- OCZ 2.93%

Intel stands here with a failure rate of the most flattering. Among the few models sold over 100 copies, displays a rate of no more than 5% VAS.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
October 15 2011 13:12 GMT
#13185
thanks, yeah i saw that linked on anandtech. was just curious, since sandforce seems to cop alot of flak
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 14:01:29
October 15 2011 14:00 GMT
#13186
I think the hardware.fr report shows return rates for one year (from a retailer? which? or I forget). As mentioned, it's not very recent. Data should cover 2009, so not much in the way of SandForce yet.

Aside from the SSD manufacturers, probably the only people who have done any kind of reliability testing with several models, are those selling business-class laptops and workstations with SSDs standard or as upgrade options. I'd look at what Apple, Lenovo, Dell, etc. are using. Too bad they obviously don't make that kind of data public. Usually it's Intel, Samsung, Toshiba, though maybe you need to be careful about which models? And it's not like they have a complete picture either.
needsoma
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
October 15 2011 17:19 GMT
#13187
can someone tell me the difference between a pci wireless card vs a usb wireless adapter? is one better than the other?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 15 2011 17:29 GMT
#13188
On October 16 2011 02:19 needsoma wrote:
can someone tell me the difference between a pci wireless card vs a usb wireless adapter? is one better than the other?


One connects through a PCI slot and another connects through USB (2.0). PCI is a faster interface, but USB 2.0 is sufficiently fast enough, so that's irrelevant.

Primary concerns should be that a PCI one takes up a slot internally, and PCI is slowly being phased out.

Regardless what the interface is, just get one that supports what you need. A wireless adapter with an antenna that can be moved around (i.e. not fixed to the back of the case) is preferred, since reception in a room can vary widely, reception is usually worse close to the floor, and you don't want your computer case blocking the signal. Few PCI/PCIe wireless adapters have such a configuration. Generally you can just use a USB extension cable for most USB wireless adapters, but some come with some kind of stand that's meant to stand up on its own, which is better.
needsoma
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
October 15 2011 17:33 GMT
#13189
On October 16 2011 02:29 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 02:19 needsoma wrote:
can someone tell me the difference between a pci wireless card vs a usb wireless adapter? is one better than the other?


One connects through a PCI slot and another connects through USB (2.0). PCI is a faster interface, but USB 2.0 is sufficiently fast enough, so that's irrelevant.

Primary concerns should be that a PCI one takes up a slot internally, and PCI is slowly being phased out.

Regardless what the interface is, just get one that supports what you need. A wireless adapter with an antenna that can be moved around (i.e. not fixed to the back of the case) is preferred, since reception in a room can vary widely, reception is usually worse close to the floor, and you don't want your computer case blocking the signal. Few PCI/PCIe wireless adapters have such a configuration. Generally you can just use a USB extension cable for most USB wireless adapters, but some come with some kind of stand that's meant to stand up on its own, which is better.


wow thanks for the quick response! much appreciated
kunstderfugue
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico375 Posts
October 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#13190
Do you recommend the GTX 550Ti over the HD 5770?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 19:22:30
October 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#13191
On October 16 2011 03:29 kunstderfugue wrote:
Do you recommend the GTX 550Ti over the HD 5770?

550 Ti is costier than 6770 and performs worse...................



no

550 Ti by the way is a prime example of an obsolete card


By the way, after much debate and discussion with my dad we built him a computer:

i3 2100
some cheap H61
6770
8gb ram
asgard
some cheap DVDRW
corsair CX430W
Samsung 320GB 7200rpm

Totals at 376€ including shipping. I'd say that's ok. I kept saying he doesn't need the graphics card or probably the 2100 either but I guess he doesn't mind spending a bit extra. I also said it's better to buy 4gb ram now and buy the other stick later if needed but he said it's too troublesome to think about

Overall I'm pretty happy with the build, it's going to arrive sometime early next week and then we'll build it. =)
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 15 2011 19:27 GMT
#13192
Well if he's the type to spend more for quality and less hassle, let's hope he doesn't mind the Asgard or doesn't need to move it around or otherwise interact with it.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 15 2011 19:30 GMT
#13193
On October 16 2011 04:27 Myrmidon wrote:
Well if he's the type to spend more for quality and less hassle, let's hope he doesn't mind the Asgard or doesn't need to move it around or otherwise interact with it.

Hopefully >_> I actually gave Shinobi as an alternative but he said that cases don't matter and that as long as you somehow manage to stuff the components in it's enough if they just stay there without collapsing
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
scottsauce
Profile Joined July 2011
United States46 Posts
October 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#13194
i play sc2 currently, and plan on playing battlefield 3 and diablo 3. i can play sc2 on low settings right now, and my fps is just fine. my question is, what graphics card do you guys recommend to be able to play the games that are coming out soon that i am interested in? i do not currently have a gpu, and i'd like to play the other games i'm interested in on at least medium with minimal fps drop.

my setup right now is:
i5-2500 (not 2500k)
MSI H67MA-E35 mobo
8 gb gskill ddr3 1333
22" monitor that goes up to 1920x1080
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#13195
A Radeon HD6870 (~$170), GTX 560 Ti (~$230), or Radeon HD6950 1GB (~$240).
StuartLove
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany267 Posts
October 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#13196
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scottsauce
Profile Joined July 2011
United States46 Posts
October 15 2011 20:14 GMT
#13197
thank you skyr, my budget will be more around the 6870. also, i have the i5-2500 sandy bridge, which is 3.3 ghz and has the 3.7 ghz turbo boost. i'm not very good with computers. my windows 7 says that my cpu is running at 3.3, should it say 3.7 or should it say 3.3 in windows?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2011 20:15 GMT
#13198
It should say 3.3GHz in Windows. It turbo boosts up to 3.7GHz depending on the amount of cores that is being utilized by the game or software.
scottsauce
Profile Joined July 2011
United States46 Posts
October 15 2011 20:21 GMT
#13199
thanks again sky, i had no idea how that worked. i found this on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948
this looks good?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 15 2011 20:23 GMT
#13200
Ya that's fine
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