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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 16 2011 02:45 GMT
#13221
Team Fortress 2 is one of the worst optimized games in gaming history. Its very hard to pinpoint problems using that game as an example.
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Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 11:01:45
October 16 2011 09:27 GMT
#13222
What is your budget?

My budget is AU $1500-$2000. I am spending an additional $500 on peripherals such as screen, keyboard and mouse.

What is your resolution?

1080 x 1920 might add a second monitor in the future but not for eyefinity just for a second desktop kind of thing. Not quite sure how to do it but i’m sure i could figure it out.
What are you using it for?
Gaming and some light photoshop and programming.I want to play games such as Starcraft 2, BF3, Skyrim. I wont play too many shooters other than BF3.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years

When do you plan on building it?
in the next 3-4 weeks

Do you plan on overclocking?
yes. I was thinking that a 2500k was a good cpu to overclock?

Do you need an Operating System?
yes win 7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Yes. i am hoping to 2 way crossfire if it is possible in my budget

Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.pccasegear.com or another reliable australian site that is cheaper if possible.


Any help is appreciated as i am really quite uncertain of what parts to select. I know a fair amount about computers but this is my first time building one. Much thanks
edit: i forgot to mention that i would like to have a modular psu and i was also wondering if an ssd would be worth it f so what would you guys recommend?
Meow?
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
October 16 2011 12:56 GMT
#13223
I need to buy some speakers, preferebly around 50 dollars or so. Can anyone recommend a good pair?
Do I need to buy a soundcard or is the motherboard good enough?
England will fight to the last American
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 16 2011 15:23 GMT
#13224
So a custom water cooling loop goes like this:

From pump water flows to the radiator, then the CPU block, then a second radiator, then the GPU block, then back to the pump.

Is this correct?
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2011 16:05 GMT
#13225
@liamdogger:

The budget (and Crossfire or SLI) is kind of nonsensical unless you're trying to push really high fps over 60 fps for use with a 120 fps monitor, or gaming across multiple monitors (not gaming on one monitor with ordinary stuff on the others). So yes or no? If not, no sense on spending lots of money in top graphics hardware that's just going to be soon outdated anyway.

With the budget, you can get a modular PSU, an SSD, whatever you want.

@KaiserJohan:

I'm not sure which speakers are popular around that price range, but I don't think any sets will be that great, at least for listening to music. Motherboard will generally way outclass and embarrass speakers at that price, so no need for a discrete sound card.

@Shikyo:

Isn't the point of something custom that you can set it up in different ways? Regardless, I think people just use a single radiator unless it's some really exotic setup. Some don't hook up the GPU to the block, or maybe only use the loop for GPUs?

Uh, why don't you just take a look at build logs and pictures?
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 16:22:39
October 16 2011 16:19 GMT
#13226
Is a sound card worth it? I've got a little extra cash right now, buying some cathodes just wondering if i should add a sound card.\

I was thinking about:

Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#13227
If you want EAX support for some old games, or some of Creative's DSP functions like Crystalizer (renowned for transforming music into worse-sounding music through a smiley-EQ and lots of added distortions), there are cheaper alternatives that have those features. Those things can all be turned off.

If you want higher-fidelity sound, you're better off saving for better headphones or speakers (2.1 or stereo in $200+ range at least), unless there's some problem with the onboard sound.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
October 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#13228
On October 17 2011 01:19 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Is a sound card worth it? I've got a little extra cash right now, buying some cathodes just wondering if i should add a sound card.\

I was thinking about:

Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium


That's one of those subjective questions. For most people the answer is "no," for some the answer is "yes." I think what you're really asking is: what will the difference between the two be. As to that, I can't answer it.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 16:47:56
October 16 2011 16:46 GMT
#13229
I see hmmm, maybe ill just hold off on the sound card then, thank you myrmidon and misterfred. I already have some decent speakers ($150 edifier speakers), i honestly don't see many soundcards in many builds so i was just curious.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 17:00:12
October 16 2011 16:59 GMT
#13230
Well, this is the kind of thing where most people who need (or think they need) something better, will (1) already have it or (2) get it on their own.

If you're curious, there's a free software audio benchmark, RMAA:
http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml

It's super super buggy, prone to errors, and is completely unaware of many important parameters (since it relies on information the sound card gives). The test is just to hook up the line out to the line in of the sound card with a normal 3.5mm male to male cable. Then use the program to automatically run some test tones through, record them, and analyze the results. It's mostly just one click and some results (which may or may not be completely invalid) pop up.

Unfortunately that not only measures the fidelity of the line out, but also the line in. And the line in is usually worse on consumer sound cards and onboard audio, so it's not really a fair measurement of much of anything.


Actually, if all you need is stereo out (no 5.1 or 7.1) at 16-bit / 44.1 kHz (or 48 kHz), I recommend just getting the Behringer UCA 202 ($30) if you want an upgrade. It's not suitable for most headphones, but the line out is better than a lot (not all) of more expensive stuff.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 16 2011 17:12 GMT
#13231
On October 17 2011 01:59 Myrmidon wrote:
Well, this is the kind of thing where most people who need (or think they need) something better, will (1) already have it or (2) get it on their own.

If you're curious, there's a free software audio benchmark, RMAA:
http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml

It's super super buggy, prone to errors, and is completely unaware of many important parameters (since it relies on information the sound card gives). The test is just to hook up the line out to the line in of the sound card with a normal 3.5mm male to male cable. Then use the program to automatically run some test tones through, record them, and analyze the results. It's mostly just one click and some results (which may or may not be completely invalid) pop up.

Unfortunately that not only measures the fidelity of the line out, but also the line in. And the line in is usually worse on consumer sound cards and onboard audio, so it's not really a fair measurement of much of anything.


Actually, if all you need is stereo out (no 5.1 or 7.1) at 16-bit / 44.1 kHz (or 48 kHz), I recommend just getting the Behringer UCA 202 ($30) if you want an upgrade. It's not suitable for most headphones, but the line out is better than a lot (not all) of more expensive stuff.



I see i see, i think im just going to hold off on any soundcard, save it for when the nvidia 600 series comes out=p
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 18:04:36
October 16 2011 17:59 GMT
#13232
Hey guys, I never bought that other computer I asked you to help me with but I have a new build I would like help with. I'm more serious about buying this time, and as soon as I get the build finalized I'll probably order.

Budget: $700~


CPU: Intel Core i5-2500k
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212 Plus
Motherboard: MSI LGA1155/Intel H67/SATA3/DDR3/A&GbE/ATX Motherboard MSI PH67S-C43 (can this mobo overclock my i5-2500k? idk if the H67 is an OC'able board.
GPU: GTX 570
RAM: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) 240-pin 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
HDD: SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST75F 750W ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V
Case: asgard2
OS: Windows 7 (64 bit)

My major questions are as follows:
1. Are all the parts compatible with each other? The PSU and case are older, and I'm not sure if they will work with this build.
2. Is the motherboard OC capable?
3. Will the cooler fit?
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 16 2011 18:02 GMT
#13233
No I would not recommend an H67 with an i5 2500k
twitch.tv/medrea
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
October 16 2011 18:26 GMT
#13234
On October 17 2011 02:59 hp.Shell wrote:
Hey guys, I never bought that other computer I asked you to help me with but I have a new build I would like help with. I'm more serious about buying this time, and as soon as I get the build finalized I'll probably order.

Budget: $700~


CPU: Intel Core i5-2500k
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212 Plus
Motherboard: MSI LGA1155/Intel H67/SATA3/DDR3/A&GbE/ATX Motherboard MSI PH67S-C43 (can this mobo overclock my i5-2500k? idk if the H67 is an OC'able board.
GPU: GTX 570
RAM: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) 240-pin 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
HDD: SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST75F 750W ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V
Case: asgard2
OS: Windows 7 (64 bit)

My major questions are as follows:
1. Are all the parts compatible with each other? The PSU and case are older, and I'm not sure if they will work with this build.
2. Is the motherboard OC capable?
3. Will the cooler fit?


Your cooler is fine

Your case and PSU will fit

Get a P67 motherboard
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 19:25:09
October 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#13235
So about 6 years ago i think i saved all my money to buy a e510 from dell which was like a grand lolol.

I have had it sitting around for like 2 years now. I honestly have no clue whats in it so i did a quick google of the insides. (probably going to build a low end rig for my friend).

looking to upgrade what i can for hmm say $150-200 honestly i know you'll think this is a shit budget which it is but this is just going to be a side project.

(If you have any cool ideas of what i can do please feel free to post)

Dell Dimension E510:
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 (have windows 7 ready)
3GHz Intel Pentium 4 531
Intel 945G chipset
512MB DDR2 SDRAM 400MHz
ATI Radeon X300 SE
Maxtor 6L160M0 160GB 7,200rpm Serial ATA

lol this is going to be fun.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2011 19:29 GMT
#13236
Low end rig for what? For gaming?

Just get a G620 (~$70), 4gb DDR3 (~$24), a H61 motherboard (~$55), and some low-end GPU (or you can us the on-board until you can afford a 5770 or a better GPU).
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
October 16 2011 19:35 GMT
#13237
No not really for gaming, more just media and online streams. I already have my main rig so this is just a fun project.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2011 19:35 GMT
#13238
The optical drive may be IDE? Also, double check the motherboard and power supply connectors. Some of the Dells use proprietary connectors, so you may need a new power supply as well.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 19:51:31
October 16 2011 19:42 GMT
#13239
On October 17 2011 04:35 Myrmidon wrote:
The optical drive may be IDE? Also, double check the motherboard and power supply connectors. Some of the Dells use proprietary connectors, so you may need a new power supply as well.


The optical drive is IDE.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
October 16 2011 19:44 GMT
#13240
so you wouldnt recomend crossfirex? could suggest some parts for me to use
Meow?
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