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On September 02 2010 08:19 Myrmidon wrote:Mystor: The CPU and case are the same, the RAM is practically identical and spec'd exactly the same, the motherboard has a slightly more advanced chipset but is mATX (smaller, a few less ports) vs. ATX, and the PSU is comparable in wattage and probably quality. The PSU is manufactured by Delta, which FragKrag lists as a reliable OEM.
Thanks very much,
so, the mATX rather than ATX means that there are less places for attaching things such as graphics cards and network cards?
I am probably going to need to have a wireless card (Its a pain to get wired internet to the place in the house where the computer is sitting) will it have a slot for it in the computer?
Also, what other things would I use these slots for other than the video card and network card?
Thanks
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I have the 890GXM-G65. It's a good motherboard. But if you're going to fill a pci slot with a wireless card you won't have room to crossfire dual slot cards. This makes the extra price tag on the board a bit worthless, and should probably get a cheaper 870 or 880 motherboard.
Edit: But then again you're using a GTX 460. So it should be fine. I still think you'd be better off buying the motherboard separately and skipping that combo. The combo discount of already nullified by the extra price tag on the motherboard. And it restricts you more from the parts you get to choose.
Edit2: What's your preference on SATA 6.0 USB 3.0? If you don't think you'll be adding an SSD later on this might be money saved.
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On September 02 2010 10:20 R04R wrote:
I have the 890GXM-G65. It's a good motherboard. But if you're going to fill a pci slot with a wireless card you won't have room to crossfire dual slot cards. This makes the extra price tag on the board a bit worthless, and should probably get a cheaper 870 or 880 motherboard.
Edit: But then again you're using a GTX 460. So it should be fine. I still think you'd be better off buying the motherboard separately and skipping that combo. The combo discount of already nullified by the extra price tag on the motherboard. And it restricts you more from the parts you get to choose.
Edit2: What's your preference on SATA 6.0 USB 3.0? If you don't think you'll be adding an SSD later on this might be money saved.
I won't be adding any SSDs, unless they dramatically drop in price 
Would you suggest crossfiring? or would sticking with a GTX 460 (maybe bumping it up to 1gig) be a better idea.
Thanks for your help.
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Honestly, the introduction of the GTX 460 killed so many possibilities. 5770 Crossfire was hailed as the best bang/buck for a while, but now that the 460 is available it's not as great. Stick with the 460, and extra vram is nice, especially if it's a big screen or dual monitor etc.
SSDs will eventually drop down in price and become a standard, but I don't know when that's going to happen. There are still nice 870 boards with Sata 6.0/USB 3.0 support that are pretty inexpensive around $100-110 range.
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On September 02 2010 11:20 R04R wrote:
Honestly, the introduction of the GTX 460 killed so many possibilities. 5770 Crossfire was hailed as the best bang/buck for a while, but now that the 460 is available it's not as great. Stick with the 460, and extra vram is nice, especially if it's a big screen or dual monitor etc.
SSDs will eventually drop down in price and become a standard, but I don't know when that's going to happen. There are still nice 870 boards with Sata 6.0/USB 3.0 support that are pretty inexpensive around $100-110 range.
Could you give me any suggestions on what board I should get, look up 870 or something like that?
Sorry, I am a bit new to this
Again, thanks.
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Mystor go with a Gigabyte 870 UD3 or an ASUS 870
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Yup, that's a good board.
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I just went ahead and bought it, it's amazing and I don't notice any ghosting in sc2 or any shooters. It really is crazy how discolored my old monitor apparently is. Using it as a dual display, my new one is just so much more vibrant and well, white looks white. My old monitor felt yellowy, like it was a heavy smoker or something T_T. No setting could change it either haha.
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On September 02 2010 11:59 R04R wrote:
Yup, that's a good board.
Thanks, just one more pass of my system
+ Show Spoiler +
There are currently no combo deals and I bumped up the quality of my gfx card and processor a touch.
If this works I think I will get it soon.
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Looks solid! glhf! 
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@Mystor, try finding those items on ncix as well just to get a price comparison. In general, ncix always had the cheaper prices as opposed to newegg.ca, and their service is top notch(not hating on newegg, just saying though).
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I'm glad to see my lazy (i.e. low on me searching, especially not searching ncix) slightly-cost-saving suggestion shot down. Good contributions. But I thought the original plan was 600-800 CAD? What's shipping and taxes if you're Canadian on newegg.ca or ncix?
Btw there's no difference in terms of hardware design (i.e. all of the circuits and architecture) between the Phenom II X4 955 BE and Phenom II X4 965 BE. The only thing that's changed is the preconfigured CPU clock speed multiplier--something that can be changed in BIOS in a matter of seconds. You can overclock the 955 by 200 MHz and it will be the same as a 965.
The small caveat is that all real semiconductor devices have slight imperfections, so different chips even of the same model will behave slightly differently from an analog perspective. AMD chooses which processors get labeled as 955 vs. 965 vs. other Phenom II products based on some testing, so the average physical quality of a 965 might be slightly better than the average 955 just because of their selection process. However, the difference will be unnoticeable except when doing significant overclocking.
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These are the peices i got for 1100
Antec three hundred gaming case $49.99
Asus p7p55d $107.99
460 gtx 1gb $244.99
Hst on those $52.39
2.8ghz i5 460 $236
2gb ddr3 x2 66 each
dvd/cd burner 41
500gb sata2 hardriv 66
620w powersupply 69
74 hst on that.
Now the invoice didnt list the brands of the Ram and so forth. Now it was made by a friend so I dont think hed try and cheat me... but I wanted to make sure
and now ncix has a pre built computer and it comes with bigger HD, sli GTX 460s for liek 1199.. sad face
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On September 02 2010 13:59 Myrmidon wrote:
I'm glad to see my lazy (i.e. low on me searching, especially not searching ncix) slightly-cost-saving suggestion shot down. Good contributions. But I thought the original plan was 600-800 CAD? What's shipping and taxes if you're Canadian on newegg.ca or ncix?
Btw there's no difference in terms of hardware design (i.e. all of the circuits and architecture) between the Phenom II X4 955 BE and Phenom II X4 965 BE. The only thing that's changed is the preconfigured CPU clock speed multiplier--something that can be changed in BIOS in a matter of seconds. You can overclock the 955 by 200 MHz and it will be the same as a 965.
The small caveat is that all real semiconductor devices have slight imperfections, so different chips even of the same model will behave slightly differently from an analog perspective. AMD chooses which processors get labeled as 955 vs. 965 vs. other Phenom II products based on some testing, so the average physical quality of a 965 might be slightly better than the average 955 just because of their selection process. However, the difference will be unnoticeable except when doing significant overclocking.
lol, that was the original plan, however my budget ended up growing a bit and I decided to future proof it a bit more, however much I wanted to save money .
Also, thanks about that comment about the 955 vs 965, I can probably save myself $15 that way
So yeah, thanks for all of your help, I am going to be checking and comparing with ncix tonight and unless you have any more suggestions I think I will get it then as well.
The shipping for me on newegg is split into two parts (the domestic and international). It is $28.03 domestic and $15.39 international.
Then I, ofcourse, have my loverly taxes.
The computer comes out to a total of $881.30 atm (though I can probably drop it by changing the processor like you said).
Albertan taxes total out to another 5% on top of the retail cost (they don't appear to include the shipping in the taxes, it probably already contains them)
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Mystor i think you forgot the case and the operating systems wich togheter is arround 200$!
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Hyrule19254 Posts
A decent case can be had for $100, and if you're a college student you can get Windows 7 Pro for $30 (or less, I got mine for $11).
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On September 02 2010 23:31 tofucake wrote:
A decent case can be had for $100, and if you're a college student you can get Windows 7 Pro for $30 (or less, I got mine for $11).
Not in canada =( this program is only for USA.
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On September 03 2010 00:38 Rejuvenation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 23:31 tofucake wrote:
A decent case can be had for $100, and if you're a college student you can get Windows 7 Pro for $30 (or less, I got mine for $11). Not in canada =( this program is only for USA.
My friends get the msndaa and they are university students in canada.
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