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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 01 2010 00:18 GMT
#1261
Yeah, it's more like one guy's adventure in scrounging up good deals for old parts rather than a guideline to building a budget gaming computer.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 01:03:00
September 01 2010 00:59 GMT
#1262
ASUS VH236H for $139

For comparison and reviews, $189 at newegg

Get this monitor for 1920 x1080 resolution. You won't find a cheaper good quality monitor at this resolution. I have a very similar monitor and it runs very well. Slightly lacking in features, but they're not very important features. Last time i ordered a monitor from walmart and asked for regular shipping, I got it the next day in the morning.

link
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 01:30:29
September 01 2010 01:24 GMT
#1263
That exact model was used for EVO in 2009, the largest standalone (i.e. not counting another tournament with extensive offsite prelims) fighting games tournament in the world. Display latency with HDMI input was tested to be either 0 ms compared to a CRT or about 40 ms (it's either slightly behind or not at any given time), averaging to around 19 ms. That's very good for the price. My brother has one, and it looks pretty nice for a budget TN, from what I've seen.
zekie
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada380 Posts
September 01 2010 14:48 GMT
#1264
whats crossfire?
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 14:58:52
September 01 2010 14:56 GMT
#1265
Hi guyse!

A little update from me.
Got my comp together, unlocked cores (phenom 550) and got to windows easily.
In all configurations the system instacrashed when I tried to test with prime95 but when I cranked the voltages up the quad has ran supersolidly.
Still running some test with slight OC on the CPU and then I get to try my Sapphire 5830 which I heard is a beast to OC so I´m super pumped. I never dreamed my system would run this well...

Big TY to everyone in this thread for help and information"!

e. @ zekie - crossfire allows two(or more) identical graphics cards to "team up" boosting performance
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9055 Posts
September 01 2010 17:30 GMT
#1266
can a 350w Cooler Master PSU handle these?
MSI H55M-E33
GT 240 GDDR5 OC
core i3-530
2gb ddr3 ram

nineninja9
Profile Joined March 2010
United States194 Posts
September 01 2010 17:52 GMT
#1267
You can crossfire different cards together, though the better cards will be downclocked to match the performance of the worst card. I don't remember the specifics about crossfiring with cards of different series, but at the least I know you can crossfire 2 cards with the same leading 2 digits.

I don't believe you can put different nvidia cards in SLI, though you can use a separate card for physx.

Garnet I think the PSU should be sufficient.
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 18:51:48
September 01 2010 18:51 GMT
#1268
I REALLY like this case. Anybody have any hands-on experience with this thing? I'm thinking about getting it.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 21:00:44
September 01 2010 19:47 GMT
#1269
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_699_292&item_id=026968

I'm thinking about getting this as my new main monitor, i currently use a samsung 2ms 22" 16:10. But I'm a bit skeptical, is there really a big difference between 2ms and 5ms? or can you only notice it side by side and actually looking for it? (IE i don't notice vertical tear unless, well I'm looking for it)

EDIT: i can't find if the 2ms is for greytogrey or color anywhere T_T
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 20:20:29
September 01 2010 20:17 GMT
#1270
On September 02 2010 03:51 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I REALLY like this case. Anybody have any hands-on experience with this thing? I'm thinking about getting it.


I haven't built in that case, but I have built inside a Silverstone Raven which shares the idea of the 90 degree tilt motherboard.

I have to say that it was one of my most beautiful builds ever. I loved the Raven, and the FT02 is just a much better version of the Raven, and imo, the best case on the market atm. The FT02 is absolutely beautiful and it has amazing air cooling so go for it if you can spend the money on it. You won't be disappointed.

It is however, very different from conventional cases because of how the PSU is mounted and how the motherboard is mounted.

Edit: Also if you get the red/black verison, you get 3 of the best fans on the market atm. The Silverstone penetrators are amazing because of the way they move air in a beautiful cylinder shape.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Mystor
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada60 Posts
September 01 2010 20:26 GMT
#1271
+ Show Spoiler [Build (from Newegg.ca)] +
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ($15 off with promo code)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 CMPSU-430CX 430W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139017

GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-768I GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125334

A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211364

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.456060

On the day when I was planning to build my build (in spoiler above) the combo for my Processor/Motherboard appeared to disappear (it is no longer available on Newegg.ca )
Do you guys have any suggestions on a different combo or other changes that could be made to make the computer a bit better/cheaper/more awesomer?
The bold/italic one is no longer available.
Also, just curious, where do you find the combos on the site?
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 21:11:02
September 01 2010 21:10 GMT
#1272
On September 02 2010 05:17 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 03:51 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I REALLY like this case. Anybody have any hands-on experience with this thing? I'm thinking about getting it.


I haven't built in that case, but I have built inside a Silverstone Raven which shares the idea of the 90 degree tilt motherboard.

I have to say that it was one of my most beautiful builds ever. I loved the Raven, and the FT02 is just a much better version of the Raven, and imo, the best case on the market atm. The FT02 is absolutely beautiful and it has amazing air cooling so go for it if you can spend the money on it. You won't be disappointed.

It is however, very different from conventional cases because of how the PSU is mounted and how the motherboard is mounted.

Edit: Also if you get the red/black verison, you get 3 of the best fans on the market atm. The Silverstone penetrators are amazing because of the way they move air in a beautiful cylinder shape.

Yeah the FT02 is a great quality case that you'll probably use for a very long time. Also the way it's oriented keeps gpus very cool because of proving a good airflow to the gpus. Also it's a very quiet case which i also like.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
September 01 2010 21:36 GMT
#1273
On September 02 2010 02:30 Garnet wrote:
can a 350w Cooler Master PSU handle these?
MSI H55M-E33
GT 240 GDDR5 OC
core i3-530
2gb ddr3 ram



It depends on the actual power output of the PSU, which is hard to know until you're actually putting together the computer.

According to Newegg's wattage calculator you'll need 309 W for the build, so a 350W is going to be cutting it pretty close

Given Cooler Master's reputation I'd say it's likely that you'll be able to, but it's a close call. I would want to move up to a 400-450W to be safe
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 21:42:47
September 01 2010 21:39 GMT
#1274
Garnet: Most likely it's fine, but what model (i.e. the exact name or model number) is the PSU? How old is it? btw some Cooler Master PSUs are good, others are not.

SONE: Response time seems to be always listed by GTG unless otherwise specified, since that test gives the best numbers.

Mystor: There's a very similar combo to what you had, actually. Combos are listed near the bottom of an individual product page--click the "browse more combos" link. Keep the optical and hard drives + GPU from above and use this:

CPU + RAM + Mobo + Case + PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.472938
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 01 2010 22:06 GMT
#1275
I figured as much, what's your guys opinions on 2ms vs 5ms? The only ghosting I've ever seen on monitors are the old old LCD's.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 01 2010 22:18 GMT
#1276
Newegg labor day sale:

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Aug-0-2010/labordayL34E/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL083110&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL083110-_-EMC-083110-Index-_-E0-_-ENTER
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
September 01 2010 22:25 GMT
#1277
Not too impressed with any of those above deals.

Also, 2ms vs 5ms won't matter if you're just going to watch movies and play sc2.
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Mystor
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada60 Posts
September 01 2010 22:33 GMT
#1278
There's a very similar combo to what you had, actually. Combos are listed near the bottom of an individual product page--click the "browse more combos" link. Keep the optical and hard drives + GPU from above and use this:

CPU + RAM + Mobo + Case + PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.472938

All of those components are good? (The PSU is in the Case, right?)

This would make my computer contain the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-768I GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125334

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.472938


If that is good I only have one more question:
Are there any good mice/keyboards that I should buy at the same time (to save on shipping and such)?
I currently have a Belkin "Internet Keyboard" http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=191278 (some random keyboard that I found around the house)
and a Microsoft Wireless Lazer Mouse 7000 http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=088 (I got it for my laptop when wireless was important to me )

Thanks
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 01 2010 22:47 GMT
#1279
When would it make a difference? Just curious, as I always went under the rule that well, 2ms is better than 5ms, but I never really went into why.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 01 2010 23:19 GMT
#1280
Mystor: The CPU and case are the same, the RAM is practically identical and spec'd exactly the same, the motherboard has a slightly more advanced chipset but is mATX (smaller, a few less ports) vs. ATX, and the PSU is comparable in wattage and probably quality. The PSU is manufactured by Delta, which FragKrag lists as a reliable OEM.

SONE: Lower response time means less ghosting, among other things. e.g. If there's a fast-moving object on the screen and the monitor has slow response time, you'll see trails (ghosts) behind the object as the screen slowly changes the color to what it's supposed to be with the object no longer there. Granted, 5 ms is not that much and is probably not worth worrying over, particularly for RTS. It's displays in the 10s of ms that may be a concern for gaming. Some more expensive monitors use different technology internally that is better in viewing angle, color reproduction, or other factors, but are worse in response time.

Display latency is a rarely-published statistic that's probably more important for gaming and general computer use. But for RTS, especially online where you already have input latency to begin with, display latency and response time are probably not a big deal except in extreme cases.
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