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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
September 02 2010 17:09 GMT
#1301
msdnaa is wordwide. I study information systems in germany and i get windows 7, visual studio and other stuff for free. But office is not included in the deal.
aka DTF-ZeRo
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
September 02 2010 17:13 GMT
#1302
MSNDAA is different than the $30 windows deal iirc

MSNDAA is for engineers and such while the $30 windows is for anyone with .edu email address
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
September 02 2010 18:33 GMT
#1303
Hey dudes, I was thinkin' of upgrading my PC, since getting a new one would probably make me want to spend like 1k to 1.2k. I was thinking since I already kinda got a 5770 I could get another 5770 and cross it.

So here's what I have now and then what I'll be upgrading to.

Before:
Athlon 64 X2 6000+
2GB XMS2
250GB HDD
Sapphire 5770

After:
Phenom II X4 965 BE
4GB ADATA
500GB HDD WD Caviar Blue
Crossfire Sapphire 5770s
GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3

Is the mobo okay for crossfire? Also yes I did take parts that I saw in this thread, since no one is saying bad things about them. If I have enough headroom i might get 6gb of ram just cause. this should be about 600 to 650ish for the upgrade. The other parts I'm just gonna rebuild in another tower to give my sister something better to work with.

[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 02 2010 18:37 GMT
#1304
The GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 does not support crossfire or sli.
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 18:55:43
September 02 2010 18:37 GMT
#1305
oh sad back to whatever searching

gigabyte, msi? hmm.

okay got it thx frag, still a gigabyte woo 643 total
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
September 02 2010 19:27 GMT
#1306
i have had the worst experience with a msi mobo

tho personal experience doesn't mean much (and I have a MSI graphics card)

:D
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Usurper
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Macedonia283 Posts
September 02 2010 20:47 GMT
#1307
@SayaSP

This is what i have:

Phenom II X4 965 BE
4GB Kingston
500GB HDD WD Caviar Blue
HD 5850
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO (<-- it's awesome motherboard overall, with crossfire, great for overclocking and all that good jazz :D. It was newegg "customers choice of the month" for several months as well. I highly recommend it. )
I love humanity. It is people that i can't stand.
Mystor
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 03:51:51
September 03 2010 02:44 GMT
#1308
On September 02 2010 23:16 Rejuvenation wrote:
Mystor i think you forgot the case and the operating systems wich togheter is arround 200$!

Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply

I already have a operating system as well.

I didn't forget these :D

Thanks for your input though.

(Just making sure, will I need any sort of heat regulators? Will the computer be running very hot while playing SCII?)
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 03 2010 03:42 GMT
#1309
I need a build, guys.

My pc is really old at this point and it is starting to piss me off. I'm not looking for a top of the line machine, and I'm not a graphics whore. I just want something that will get decent fps on new games on average settings for months to come.

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

My budget is around $500 on hardware.

What is your resolution?

1280x1024 is what I'm used to, and I'm not shooting for a fantastic resolution.

What are you using it for?

mostly gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?

My current pc is an old piece of junk now, but I suspect that, in the future, I will be upgrading more frequently than I have been these past four+ years.

When do you plan on building it?

I plan to build it in the next month or two.

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes, but my budget is still ~$500 on hardware.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I'm not at all committed to having two GPUs in my initial build, but I do want to have the option to crossfire available to me later on; I want a crossfire capable board. And, yes, I'm strongly leaning towards an AMD build at this point.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in northwest Ohio; afaik, there are no Fry's near where I live and the nearest microcenter is about 60 miles to the south. So, newegg would be my first choice, but if there are good deals from other reputable sellers, then that's awesome.


I don't have a huge budget, so I'm looking for bang for my buck right and room for improvement in the future.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Aduromors
Profile Joined July 2009
United States279 Posts
September 03 2010 04:38 GMT
#1310
On September 03 2010 12:42 Mindcrime wrote:
I need a build, guys.

My pc is really old at this point and it is starting to piss me off. I'm not looking for a top of the line machine, and I'm not a graphics whore. I just want something that will get decent fps on new games on average settings for months to come.

I don't have a huge budget, so I'm looking for bang for my buck right and room for improvement in the future.


AMD Athlon II X3 440
ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
Radeon HD 5770 1GB Video Card(pick one)
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V (More than enough power, I promise)

This is assuming "improvement for the future" includes a bigger monitor. It's hard to build a PC that'll for sure be upgradeable in the future, but this is a pretty damn good computer for the price
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 06:40:03
September 03 2010 04:56 GMT
#1311
There's no case, hard drive, or optical drive above. I guess those things can be reused, so take them out of the below if you're going to reuse the optical drive, for example. Also you can't CrossFire on that motherboard above.

Below is around $500 with everything and the ability to CrossFire:
Phenom II X2 555 BE and MSI 870 SATA6/USB3 Mobo
GSkill 2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM or a dual channel kit I guess
HIS Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Generic CD/DVD drive/burner
Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB
Antec 300 and Neo Eco 520C

520W is enough for CrossFiring 5770's definitely. x16/x4 is enough for CrossFire 5770 as well, if even x4/x4 doesn't make a significant difference for SLI GTX 480. It's definitely a budget upgradable CrossFire build, so going low on RAM and trying to unlock CPU cores is a given I think.

edit: though for the record, I'm not sure if the potential for CrossFire later on is worth pursuing for a $500 budget. You can save on the motherboard, the PSU, and maybe the case a little by not leaving that possibility open. A single HD 5770 is probably fine for low-res medium settings for a few years to come.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 03 2010 05:10 GMT
#1312
On September 03 2010 13:56 Myrmidon wrote:
There's no case, hard drive, or optical drive above. I guess those things can be reused, so take them out of the below if you're going to reuse the optical drive, for example. Also you can't CrossFire on that motherboard above.

Below is around $500 with everything and the ability to CrossFire:
Phenom II X2 555 BE and MSI 870 SATA6/USB3 Mobo
GSkill 2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM or a dual channel kit I guess
HIS Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Generic CD/DVD drive/burner
Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB
Antec 300 and Neo Eco 520C

520W is enough for CrossFiring 5770's definitely. x16/x4 is enough for CrossFire 5770 as well, if even x4/x4 doesn't make a significant difference for SLI GTX 480. It's definitely a budget upgradable CrossFire build, so going low on RAM and trying to unlock CPU cores is a given I think.


I'm basically clueless as far as power supply and case go, but otherwise, that's actually remarkably close to what I was thinking of. :D

I've got an untouched 500gb western digital hard drive, so I think I could spring for a bit more RAM and still come in at an acceptable price.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
September 03 2010 05:28 GMT
#1313
Hey guys, I've decided to upgrade my bro's/mom's pc and I'm getting parts from microcenter. I was just wanted to make sure these parts were compatible with each other. The current specs are:
Intel P4 2.60 GHz
~768 GB RAM
Integrated GPU
80 GB HD
Mobo - don't know, but it doesn't even have a PCIe x16 slot

The parts I plan on buying:

GA-M68M-S2P AM3/AM2+ GeForce 7025/nForce 630a mATX Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0328727

Athlon II X2 250
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346724

2GB DDR2-800 (PC-6400) Memory Module
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0285254

Basiq 500 Watt ATX 12V Power Supply
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0257452

Total came out to around $225 USD.


For the gpu, I'm putting in a spare 9500GT that I have. I know I could probably get a lower wattage psu, but I chose this one for possible gpu/cpu upgrades in the future. Also, I'm planning on reusing the old case, which is one of those stock Gateway cases from bestbuy from like 6 years ago, but I was wondering, it should still be okay to use right? As in, all the parts should still be able to fit? Also, seeing as how the computer in general is like 6 years old, will I be able to still reuse the optical drive and the HD? Also, are there any extra miscellaneous things I need to consider, like buying screws?
Aduromors
Profile Joined July 2009
United States279 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 06:36:50
September 03 2010 06:35 GMT
#1314
On September 03 2010 14:10 Mindcrime wrote:
It's definitely a budget upgradable CrossFire build,


This is not a thing

What is the point of this
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 03 2010 06:35 GMT
#1315
I think both the old HDD and optical drive are probably connected through PATA (IDE; i.e. the ribbon cable). The new motherboard has only one PATA slot it looks like, so I'd reuse the optical drive but get a new SATA HDD. A newer drive would be faster and less likely to fail anyhow.

That Basiq model is an older one I think, not as good as some of the other Basiq models. For the same price you might as well get the OCZ StealthXStream 500W, which has a longer warranty and is probably better. 500W is way overkill though, even with some upgrades.

The CPU, RAM, and mobo should be compatible, barring some strange quirks (e.g. stock bios version not supporting some newer AM3 processors, though that Athlon II X2 is not new). You might as well check the mobo manufacturer's webpage to see a compatibility list.

I have no idea about old Gateway cases, sorry. If it's ATX (well, mATX too) standard, things will fit.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 03 2010 06:41 GMT
#1316
On September 03 2010 15:35 Aduromors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2010 14:10 Mindcrime wrote:
It's definitely a budget upgradable CrossFire build,


This is not a thing

What is the point of this


No point other than what he asked for, but yeah...

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2010 12:42 Mindcrime wrote:
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I'm not at all committed to having two GPUs in my initial build, but I do want to have the option to crossfire available to me later on; I want a crossfire capable board. And, yes, I'm strongly leaning towards an AMD build at this point.

...

I don't have a huge budget, so I'm looking for bang for my buck right and room for improvement in the future.
Aduromors
Profile Joined July 2009
United States279 Posts
September 03 2010 06:57 GMT
#1317
A good upgrade is being able to install a athalon x4 in your AM2 socket motherboard you got in 2005. A bad upgrade is paying out the ass for a defunct 5770 in 2012 so you can have a loud, power intensive mediocre GPU setup compared to the mid-range cards that will be out by then
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
September 03 2010 11:01 GMT
#1318
does the pci-express thing of the PSU have anything to do with Graphics card? pci-e 2.0 cards should run on any psu right?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
September 03 2010 11:54 GMT
#1319
Most PSUs have at least two 6/6+2/8 power connector pins for power hungry graphics cards.

Most cards only take 1 power connector or none.

Only until 5830? and 460? do cards begin to take 2 power connectors. Trouble usually comes when you want to crossfire/sli these 2 power slot cards and you don't have enough power connectors even though your wattage is more than enough. This is usually around the 600/650/700 range of PSUs. Make sure if you pick one up around this wattage that the PSU has 4 6 pin connectors if you plan on crossfire/sli.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
September 03 2010 13:47 GMT
#1320
On September 03 2010 20:54 R04R wrote:
Most PSUs have at least two 6/6+2/8 power connector pins for power hungry graphics cards.

Most cards only take 1 power connector or none.

Only until 5830? and 460? do cards begin to take 2 power connectors. Trouble usually comes when you want to crossfire/sli these 2 power slot cards and you don't have enough power connectors even though your wattage is more than enough. This is usually around the 600/650/700 range of PSUs. Make sure if you pick one up around this wattage that the PSU has 4 6 pin connectors if you plan on crossfire/sli.

I mean do PSUs have pci-e 2.0 connectors for pci-e 2.0 cards (like motherboards) or can I just use any psu and still take full use of the card?
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