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On August 25 2010 09:07 semantics wrote:
The difference is bubkis def not worth the 20 dollar difference imo.
The 965 is pretty much the same chip as the 955 now of days with just a small factory boost, the 965 is just a higher quality binned version so it can oc maybe 200mhz better on avg but both will reach about 3.8ghz pretty easily if you know what you're doing. If you're doing no OC or a light OC 955 used the saved 20 bucks to get a nice cooler that makes your computer quiet or just save the money.
I don't, but I also don't plan to OC it.
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On August 25 2010 06:26 tofucake wrote:
I have a pretty amazing build for what turns out to be about 1000 euro. If the prices are just switched to euro (not converted), it'll probably be about the same.
1090T (although 1055T is $100 cheaper and you can increase 1055T with a scaler in bios)
M4A79TD EVO V
G.SKILL 8 GB
WD Black 1 TB
Antec 903 (NOT recommended, I actually just ordered a COOLERMASTER case to replace it)
Gigabyte Radeon 5870 2GB
Pioneer DVD-RW
LG W2340VG x2 ($200 each!)
With the savings from the 1055T vs 1090T, and not getting another HDD (I have a WD Blue 500 GB as well) you can afford a 64GB SSD, which is more than enough for Windows 7, SC2, PS CS5, Maya, and 2 Linux distros (provided you set aside some space for /home on the HDD).
they prices dont translate directly into €s 
mainboard+cpu+gfxcard+ram is more then 900€ already
why is there that much of a price gap oO
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On August 25 2010 15:45 LiminalMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 06:26 tofucake wrote:
I have a pretty amazing build for what turns out to be about 1000 euro. If the prices are just switched to euro (not converted), it'll probably be about the same.
1090T (although 1055T is $100 cheaper and you can increase 1055T with a scaler in bios)
M4A79TD EVO V
G.SKILL 8 GB
WD Black 1 TB
Antec 903 (NOT recommended, I actually just ordered a COOLERMASTER case to replace it)
Gigabyte Radeon 5870 2GB
Pioneer DVD-RW
LG W2340VG x2 ($200 each!)
With the savings from the 1055T vs 1090T, and not getting another HDD (I have a WD Blue 500 GB as well) you can afford a 64GB SSD, which is more than enough for Windows 7, SC2, PS CS5, Maya, and 2 Linux distros (provided you set aside some space for /home on the HDD). they prices dont translate directly into €s mainboard+cpu+gfxcard+ram is more then 900€ already why is there that much of a price gap oO
Stuff is just more expensive over here unfortunately.
Heres a cart from hardwareversand.de
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Wasn't able to add an SSD, but you could get a cheaper case + power supply if you wanted to fit that into your budget.
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Thanks for the cart 
Looks good but the case really seems to be way to expensive :>
and for the mainboard, thats the 880G if i didnt misread. I dont really have a need for a IGP and there doenst seem to be any other big difference between a 870 chipset, so i could just take a cheaper mainboard with that chipset, right?
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Yes, the case is expensive, but it is a really good quality one with lots of space and excellent airflow. Cheaper alternatives would be the Antec 300 or 300 illusion.
As for the motherboard, yes you could certainly change to the 870 if you don't feel the need for onboard.
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Hyrule19189 Posts
On August 25 2010 23:07 deconduo wrote:
Yes, the case is expensive, but it is a really good quality one with lots of space and excellent airflow. Cheaper alternatives would be the Antec 300 or 300 illusion.
As for the motherboard, yes you could certainly change to the 870 if you don't feel the need for onboard.
I actually just ordered a Storm Sniper to replace my Antec 902 (which I was very disappointed with). It will arrive today, and I'll have it set up tonight. Review incoming.
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So I've never built my own computer before and was looking for opinions/help.
I tend to use whatever the biggest resolution my rig can handle, do some gaming on it but won't be mad if it's not always on the highest settings. I don't really do any multimedia editing or streaming. I'm generally lazy and want to avoid always having to upgrade, pretty much only upgrading when my specs fall below the minimum required for a new game I want to play... so like every 4-5 years or something similar.
I had a bit of fun on sites like newegg.ca (canadian prices :-( ) and came up with the following for roughly 1200$, plus the cost of a 64 bit copy of windows I guess.
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Now for a few questions...
- Am I missing anything important? (I know there's no mouse/keyboard/speakers in that list, but I think I can reuse my old ones)
- Is there anything in that list that isn't compatible with each other or otherwise doesn't make sense?
- Is there anything that I'm needlessly taking as an option that's more expensive than what I need, or with a sub-par performance compared to other components with a similar price point?
- Is that big/good enough of a power source? Last time I did the math myself, my PSU wound up dying about 1 month after I upgraded the video card
- Am I OK on cooling? Really don't know how to check on that before buying.
- At this point, is it worth it to bump up the ram? Could be at 8G total on 2 sticks for another 100$, but I really don't know how well Windows actually uses more than 3G of ram...)
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your case only has 1 fan, that's pretty meh in my opinion. you'll probably want to buy another fan or two at least. you'll need an after market cooler if u want to overclock also
are you really going to need an 870 vs a 760? what are you using the comp for that requires hyperthreading? from what you said..nothing really...just a thought.
just get 4 gb of ram, unless you're planning on running sc2 wow d3 and play 24 poker tables at the same time you shouldn't need more
power source is plenty for sure
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First off, with a mid case you'll want a modular power supply.
Second, I'm not too familiar with Patriot memory. I prefer to stick to well known brands (Corsair, G.SKILL, Kingston, etc).
Third, the case you picked out apparently uses toolless drive management but only on one side...which is awful, but the case is fine otherwise.
Fourth, I'm not too familiar with 5850's, but Gigabyte is a good company. Performance wise, you'd be better off getting 2 4870's in CrossFire (and they end up being a bit cheaper as well). However, if you did that you'd need a different motherboard, as the one you picked only has 1 PCIe 2.0 slot. You can put some of that money toward a different mobo (like this one).
Finally, you don't really need more than 4gb of RAM unless you plan to do lots of editing (CAD, Photoshop, video) or live streaming (out, not watching).
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Yeah, if you're just gaming get a 750/760, that will save you $100. Your case doesn't have the best cooling. With the money saved from processor you can upgrade the case to something better. You can also get an aftermarket heatsink for the CPU if you plan to overclock, as Intel stock heatsinks are horrible for anything other than stock. The PSU is sufficient and reliable. I'm not too fond of the motherboard, there are better ones out there by MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, and EVGA. Get two 2GB sticks of RAM to run Dual Channel. Well-rated G Skill, A Data, Corsair will do. Change the 5850 with a GTX 460. That will save you $80 and lose very little performance, but it will still run SC2 on ultra at stock.
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Hi, I was wondering if someone would be willing to help me with my build. I'm looking to build an ideal machine for Starcraft 2. I've seen various benchmarks and they seem to be all over the place in terms of how well the game will perform with "x" hardware.
I'm looking to buy a CPU, motherboard, RAM, and GPU. My buget is ~$600 I already have a case, hdd, decent aftermarket cooler(xigmatek Dark Knight,) and a 750watt Corsair PSU. My goal is to be able to maintain 60fps while running the game @ 1920x1080 resolution and medium settings. I really want to be able to maintain high framerates, and I don't care too much about graphics settings. (If necessary I am comfortable running everything on low.) I plan on overclocking as much as is reasonable.
Thank you for your time.
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Do you already have the hard drive covered? Are you located near a microcenter? They have good discounts on processors. Are you looking for AMD or Intel? With AMD you can go quad-core beginning at $100 and at the top is around $160. With Intel i3 dual cores are nice for gaming and are around $110, and their i5 quadcore is at $200.
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psychopat: I agree with downgrading the processor an i5-750/760 based on your intended usage. With the extra money, you can spend more on things that are going to actually last, like the case and monitor. e.g. this and this, with money left over. HD 5850 is better than the GTX 460 1GB by some in most games--look up benchmarks and see if the difference in price and performance is worth your money. For SC2 it's not, but other games will vary.
HandBanana, would you rather spend up to $600 for more performance or spend less to get the performance you want on medium? The budget is pretty healthy considering the relatively low expectations.
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yes
Thank you for the quick response. I have one concerning this benchmark: http://www.techspot.com/review/305-starcraft2-performance/page2.html
They test 4v4 with max units to fully stress the game. On the "1920x1080 Medium Quality" page it shows the GTX 460 maintaining 60fps. On the "CPU and Multi-core Performance" it shows the Phenom II X4 955 getting as low as 28fps(on Ultra.) This may sound dumb, but would lowering the graphics mean that I would be getting the fps listed under the GTX 460 @medium(60fps)? Sorry if I'm not being to clear. I just want to make sure the processor is powerful enough to maintain 60fps.
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On August 24 2010 13:15 Myrmidon wrote:
wonkman: You know anything about your PSU? Open up the case and see if there's any information on a label or anything like that. For a dual-monitor setup, it's not like you actually need a new CPU and motherboard (and RAM), but I guess upgrading wouldn't hurt you. But replacing those parts with a budget current-gen solution would cost some $250 or so. How much money were you thinking?
Finally got around to unscrewing my PSU out and looking on the label that i couldnt get to otherwise..
It is a BFG GS-650watt
http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr650wgspsu.aspx
Bought it recently (year ago or somethingD and i don't think i need to replace it unless i need something more to power my extensive setup :O
And 250$ sounds about right O.o for a CPU+Motherboard upgrade :D Not including the extra monitor, also my video card hits 50C at times and causes my games to sometimes crash depending on how long i play them. Used to do it anyways before i cleaned it out D:. So i either need a new case which i would like or i would need to replace the fans that are probably dieing out/not circulating air enough inside the case so that would be amazing to have an idea of as well.
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Wonkman
If you're going to replace your CPU/Motherboard you're going to have to replace your RAM also, which is another $80-90.
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It looks like there is a LOT of useful information in this thread. Thanks a lot for the contribution. When I have the extra money to build my own computer, I will be coming back here for sure.
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