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On August 24 2010 05:41 mav451 wrote:http://www.anandtech.com/show/2901/2 (look at the 2nd table, listing the memory latency) This is the result of moving the IMC off die (but still on package). http://www.anandtech.com/show/2901/12As for gaming performance, you can see why I would prefer to recommend either the i3 Clarkdale or the i5 Lynnfield. The i5 Clarkdale is a no-man's land of having not enough performance to justify the price.
Thanks, I will take a closer look at this. I must admit at being at somewhat a loss with this Clarkdale/Lynnfield thing. Clarkdale is the one with the integrated northbridge next to the CPU, right? But there is a Lynnfield i5 and a Lynnfield i3? ]
So basically, if I have a Lynndale the on-board graphics option of the motherboard I had in mind is completely wasted, right, because it has no northbridge to run it. So I might as well choose a cheaper motherboard (P55?). Am I following you here?
Edit: Armed with the information you gave me I started searching around and found some answers. Wouldn't have looked without you pointing this out, thanks a lot!
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Yeah Intel really messed up here.
A summary:
Clarkdales
i3 and i5 dual-cores...IMC is off-die, on package. All Clarkdales have IGPs, but this is moot since you are planning to game (and have a dedicated GPU in mind). All have hyperthreading.
Lynnfields
i5 and i7, both quad-cores. IMC is on-die. i7 Lynnfield has Hyperthreading.
Bloomfield
i7 - all quadcores, all have Hyperthreading. Uses X58 chipset.
Intel mixing the i5/i7 across two product lines was a big mistake IMO.
But yeah to your question, if you're buying a dedicated GPU in the first place, then any IGP-related board or CPU is somewhat pointless.
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I've been reading a bunch and found out some interesting things. I was thinking of going for an on-board solution for graphics to be able to *not* use the graphics card, to lower heat and therefore noise. However, if I understand it correctly, the Clarkfield CPUs with on-board GPUs will enable the "graphical" part of e.g. the H55 (HDMI, DVI etc), but if you have a Lynnfield that part of the mobo will be rendered useless, even though Lynnfield does have an integrated northbridge. Am I right?
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Hey guys I ordered all the parts for my PC already however I was wondering. Does it come with all the necessary cables and all?
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6095238
That? Yeah, your motherboard comes with 2 SATA Cables, 1 for hard drive, 1 for optical drive, so you're set.
Hmm, why did you get a 790X Mobo, it supports crossfire at 8x/8x, but you have a 460 which is SLI. Also, 700w is quite a bit unnecessary.
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On August 24 2010 05:30 GambleVII wrote:
So after configureing a computer this is what i got. itll cost about 1100 cad. comes with
i5 760
4gb ddr3
asus atx motherboard
500gb hdd
gtx460 1gb
the antec case
600w powersupply
1100 cad after taxes.
Is that a good price? My friend who builds comps is gonna make it. Not sure if hes taking a little for himself but whatever. Just curious if i should pull the trigger.
where are you/your friend getting prices from?
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I do (work near one anyway), and thanks for the information.
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On August 24 2010 08:13 R04R wrote:
Hmm, why did you get a 790X Mobo, it supports crossfire at 8x/8x, but you have a 460 which is SLI. Also, 700w is quite a bit unnecessary.
Is that bad ;;? I don't know what any of that means >.<
And I only got the 700W because it was part of a combo.
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It's not bad, but there are newer, cheaper alternatives with features that might have been more important to you, like USB 3.0 or SATA 6.0. But if you don't plan on SSDs in the future it's no big.
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On August 24 2010 06:13 Born)Slippy wrote:
I've been reading a bunch and found out some interesting things. I was thinking of going for an on-board solution for graphics to be able to *not* use the graphics card, to lower heat and therefore noise. However, if I understand it correctly, the Clarkfield CPUs with on-board GPUs will enable the "graphical" part of e.g. the H55 (HDMI, DVI etc), but if you have a Lynnfield that part of the mobo will be rendered useless, even though Lynnfield does have an integrated northbridge. Am I right?
Not quite. The Clarkdale (i3-5xx and i5-6xx) CPU package itself contains the integrated GPU. The H55/H57 chipset allows the graphics from the IGP to be routed to the graphics output ports like HDMI and thus be used. The Intel i5-7xx, i7-8xx, and i7-9xx quad cores and hexa cores all don't contain integrated graphics, so there's nothing for the motherboard to do.
Anyhow, if you're playing any kind of non-ancient 3D game, you're not going to want to play it on any of Intel's integrated graphics (unless you enjoy mid-low fps on lowest settings).
By the way, there exist specialized--read: more expensive--models of some graphics cards like the HD 5750--but nothing more powerful than that I think--that actually don't use a fan at all. They just have a huge heatsink. Of course, the heat needs to go somewhere, so you would need good airflow through the case to help cool it down.
I haven't checked a review of the PSU you were looking at, but I doubt that it's that quiet compared to other efficient models. There's going to be other options that are probably more expensive, more reliable, and quieter. But most modern PSU's shouldn't be that loud running reasonably low HTPC loads. Also, there's some PSUs that are totally fanless out there, but they're going to run well over $100 I think.
If you really want to reduce noise, you can also change out the stock CPU heatsink for an aftermarket cooling solution if you want.
On August 24 2010 02:34 Ayestes wrote:With this laptop: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220340You think it's possible to upgrade the video card? Or should I just send it back for them to replace the video card? The current GPU fan is broken, which causes a little bit of a heating issue if I don't put a fan right next to it's vent. If it's even possible, I've been having troubles locating a place to even buy a video card. It is a dedicated card and has a slot for me to open on the bottom to easily examine the video card.
It's usually not possible (almost never?) to upgrade, but I don't know about that laptop specifically. Laptop graphics form factors, compatibility, etc. are pretty whack. Anyhow, most laptops have enough trouble dissipating the heat from their graphics cards, much less anything more powerful--if even swapping were possible.
On August 24 2010 05:30 GambleVII wrote:
So after configureing a computer this is what i got. itll cost about 1100 cad. comes with
i5 760
4gb ddr3
asus atx motherboard
500gb hdd
gtx460 1gb
the antec case
600w powersupply
1100 cad after taxes.
Is that a good price? My friend who builds comps is gonna make it. Not sure if hes taking a little for himself but whatever. Just curious if i should pull the trigger.
If you include shipping and taxes plus a little (but not too much) off the top, I think that might be fair. I'm not quite familiar with what shipping and taxes would be in Canada. The whole thing is probably in the 850-1000 CAD range before taxes and shipping I think, but that depends on exactly what ATX motherboard, what 600W PSU, what 4 GB DDR3 RAM, etc. are being used.
On August 24 2010 08:06 Megalisk wrote:
Hey guys I ordered all the parts for my PC already however I was wondering. Does it come with all the necessary cables and all?
The PSU will have the power cables to plug in everything that needs power. Aside from that, you need a SATA cable to connect each hard drive and optical drive back to the motherboard. Most other components plug directly into the motherboard and get power that way. Many/most motherboards come with two SATA cables, but you might as well check the specs/manual of the motherboard now to see if that's indeed the case.
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What i would like is a dual monitor setup from the computer i have at this moment in the next to least money possible, I do not however want to skimp on quality parts for 20$ or something silly like that :D Mostly for gaming purposes, from this computer i can play SC2 on Medium and be fine forever and ever and ever O.o so that is my goal with the dual monitor setup more or less :O
Unfortunately i did not make sense of the motherboard/cpu things in the first post D: So i would like to get suggestions about what i should get or just exactly what i should get O.o
I know i should upgrade my horribad CPU and get a new motherboard since they are both stock and horrible O.o but I have no idea what i should get. Also I am going to make my second monitor basically identical to my first, 1280x1024.
If you could help that would be great :D From my goal I dont think i will ever need another computer again O.o
Operating System
MS Windows XP Media Center Edition Professional 32-bit SP3
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 @ 1.86GHz
Conroe 65nm Technology
RAM
3.0GB DDR2
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0WG855 (Microprocessor)
Graphics
DELL E196FP @ 1280x1024
512MB GeForce 9800 GTX+ (PNY)
Hard Drives
244GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG SP2504C (SCSI)
Optical Drives
TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-H553A
FSF RWLIF4LQVKH SCSI CdRom Device
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On August 24 2010 08:21 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 05:30 GambleVII wrote:
So after configureing a computer this is what i got. itll cost about 1100 cad. comes with
i5 760
4gb ddr3
asus atx motherboard
500gb hdd
gtx460 1gb
the antec case
600w powersupply
1100 cad after taxes.
Is that a good price? My friend who builds comps is gonna make it. Not sure if hes taking a little for himself but whatever. Just curious if i should pull the trigger. where are you/your friend getting prices from?
Canada computers + his dealer as he works with computers. I did the same build on newegg came out to about 1072 with shipping so borderline the same.
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On August 24 2010 08:55 GambleVII wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 08:21 a176 wrote:On August 24 2010 05:30 GambleVII wrote:
So after configureing a computer this is what i got. itll cost about 1100 cad. comes with
i5 760
4gb ddr3
asus atx motherboard
500gb hdd
gtx460 1gb
the antec case
600w powersupply
1100 cad after taxes.
Is that a good price? My friend who builds comps is gonna make it. Not sure if hes taking a little for himself but whatever. Just curious if i should pull the trigger. where are you/your friend getting prices from? Canada computers + his dealer as he works with computers. I did the same build on newegg came out to about 1072 with shipping so borderline the same.
a parts list would help. saying 'asus motherboard' or 'antec case' doesn't actually tell us what you're getting 
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Hey guys, I love this thread and thanks to all the techies populating it with great information/solutions.
I'm looking to upgrade my video card, and my budget is $80-$120.
I currently run on:
E8400 3.0 ghz cpu, 4gb ram, gt8500 1gb gpu and 1280x1024 resolution, with sc2 on low/medium settings.
I have been looking at the HD4850 ($90), GTS250 ($100), HD4870 ($110), and HD5750 ($120). Unfortunately at $140 the hd5770 is a bit out of my range, otherwise i know that'd be my choice. currently i'm looking at the hd4870, but i'm worried that the bigger chip size will make it run too hot, compared to the gts250 and hd5xxx series. Recommendations?
P.S. I've heard that the e8400 can OC pretty easily. with stock cooling, what can i safely bring this up to, and will it matter for sc? 3.3ghz perhaps, 3.2?
Thanks!
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Get a GTS 250, NVIDIA's drivers are performing better for SC2 than ATI's. Can you PSU handle the power consumption, though? A mild overclock should be fine as long as the weather isn't too hot. There's a heat wave right now and my processor went up 8 Celcius =/
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reading this just makes me feel how bad my computer truly is =(
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wonkman: You know anything about your PSU? Open up the case and see if there's any information on a label or anything like that. For a dual-monitor setup, it's not like you actually need a new CPU and motherboard (and RAM), but I guess upgrading wouldn't hurt you. But replacing those parts with a budget current-gen solution would cost some $250 or so. How much money were you thinking?
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Hello, first post here and hoping to get some guidance with my new computer build.
First to answer some of the requested questions:
+ Show Spoiler +This will be the second desktop PC I buy and I think it has been almost 10 years since i bought my first. I hope to use this one for quite some time too with some minor upgrades.
My budget is around 2000$. I would like to go high resolutions in everything including starcraft with a 24" monitor. I would like to play some games on this thing but I am not a hardcore gamer. Have been still playing diablo 2 since starcraft 2 game out and probably diablo 3 will be the latest released game I will play. So this will be mainly for starcraft 2 for now. I will probably need to perform heavy matlab and C simulations too but nothing graphic related.
I want to build this thing in a couple weeks time. I will probably not overclock the system unless heavily sugested. I don't plan to use two two GPU's again unless heavily sugested.
I will need to buy an OS. I am residing in U.S. and I looked at my stuff from the newegg. Also I want to build up my PC although it will be my first =).
And the following is a list of components I picked up. Any suggestions appriciated to upgrade or downgrade a specific component. I included a link to the newegg site for each specific component.
+ Show Spoiler +Motherboard: ASUS P7P55 LX - I don't have much knowledge on this one but I heard this one is very good for the price. CPU: i7-860 GPU: Radeon HD5870 - Any suggestions on this one are welcome RAM: Kingston HyperX 4GB - Just picked a kingston compatible with my motherboard Power Supply: Corsair 850HX - Heard good stuff about this one, but don't know if it is overkill Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 SSD: Intel X25 80 GB - I plan on getting an SSD and I think it will be worth the extra money HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB Blue-Ray Burner: LG 10x Blue Ray burner Monitor: ASUS Black 23.6" - 24" is what i want. Speakers: Logitech X-540 - Want a decent and relatively cheap thing here. Operationg System: 64 bit Win7 Home Edition
I will also be needing a mouse and a keyboard, i plan to pick both (or just mouse) from Razor but they are not secondary. This stuff is built for around 1950$ from newegg. With the shipping cost I will be a bit above 2000 but I hope to afford that much. I am open to any improvements for performance or budget. Also since this will be my first self-built PC, do I need to get any other tools or cables to build this? Or does anyone suggest some other vendor than newegg?
Thanks a lot
Nac
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Hm it actually loks pretty good.
If I were you, I would consider a GTX 470, and downgrade that 850HX to a Corsair 650HX (or 650TX) if you aren't planning on adding a second GPU.
GTX 470 1
GTX 470 2
Both are amazing deals. For StarCraft 2, the GTX 470 generally performs better than the HD 5870 until you get to 2560x1600.
The GTX 470 from Palit has pretty much solved the temperature issue apparently, and since you are getting a HAF 932 you should have some very good airflow in your case
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