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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
ST1M
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 00:28:23
August 26 2010 00:27 GMT
#1141
oops
ST1M
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 00:33:30
August 26 2010 00:32 GMT
#1142
On August 26 2010 08:00 Myrmidon wrote:
HandBanana, would you rather spend up to $600 for more performance or spend less to get the performance you want on medium? The budget is pretty healthy considering the relatively low expectations.


Sorry for the confusion. This is Handbanana. Long story short, I got my accounts confused when I was using my other OS partition. I wanted to switch my TL name, but you needed to wait three days to post in the General sections.

I'm looking to spend the $600

tldr HandBanana = ST1M :o

And I meant to edit my above post, not double post. I need to sleep.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 26 2010 00:43 GMT
#1143
I can't tell you if the processor is sufficient enough, I don't have first hand experience myself, but I haven't seen anyone complain about not being able to achieve high frame rates with a processor like Phenom II 955 and a GTX 460.


I think my graphics card is brokedddd =/ I haven't done anything different from before but now I'm getting artifacts and processes stop responding after a couple seconds of opening something video related like a game or youtube video. I'm going to update my drivers to Catalyst 10.8, as it was previously 10.6, but I don't think it's going to help much.

Sapphire Vapor-X 4850 1gb ddr3.
Corsair TX-650
Phenom II x2 555 unlocked to stable triple core with prime 95
890GXM-G65 Mobo
Spinpoint F3 1gb
2x2gb G skill
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
August 26 2010 02:28 GMT
#1144
On August 26 2010 09:43 R04R wrote:
I can't tell you if the processor is sufficient enough, I don't have first hand experience myself, but I haven't seen anyone complain about not being able to achieve high frame rates with a processor like Phenom II 955 and a GTX 460.


I think my graphics card is brokedddd =/ I haven't done anything different from before but now I'm getting artifacts and processes stop responding after a couple seconds of opening something video related like a game or youtube video. I'm going to update my drivers to Catalyst 10.8, as it was previously 10.6, but I don't think it's going to help much.

Sapphire Vapor-X 4850 1gb ddr3.
Corsair TX-650
Phenom II x2 555 unlocked to stable triple core with prime 95
890GXM-G65 Mobo
Spinpoint F3 1gb
2x2gb G skill


I think your problem is stemming from your 1gb hard drive. You cant even install windows let alone sc2 on that!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 26 2010 02:48 GMT
#1145
I took out the 4850 and used the onboard video 4290 instead. Still encountering problems. That rules out the graphics card I guess.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 03:13:21
August 26 2010 02:54 GMT
#1146
wonkman: the PSU is going to be fine of course. If you got a cheap AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboard, you could actually use a current-gen AMD processor with your old DDR2 RAM. You have enough RAM, so avoiding having to upgrade RAM can save some $80.

If you want a newer motherboard and new RAM, you can try this mobo/CPU (Phenom II X2 555 BE) combo or this one if you want to spend more for USB 3.0 and SATA 6 GB/s support and more peripheral slots. Some people would argue against getting a dual core these days, but for SC2 it should be good enough. It's only certain games and applications that really make good use of more processor cores. If you want to spend some $40 more to get a quad core, you can get one of the Phenom II X4.

With those more modern AM3-only mobos like the above, you'd need RAM like this DDR3 kit. Together with the above that's around $250. A budget gaming case people like is the Antec 300 for around $60 before rebate, though of course there are others.


edit:
HandBanana: in that kind of extreme 4v4 big battle scenario, it seems to be true that the Phenom II X4 955 could be a liability. If you turn down CPU-related graphics options like physics calculations (and leave shaders on ultra, for example), it would improve performance. I'm not sure how much though. In that scenario, you probably couldn't maintain 60 fps, as a guess. Overall R04R's build is a good value, but if you want to move on up...

Core i5-750 and GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.462198

Bracket to make the Xigmatek Dark Knight compatible with the processor/mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233038&Tpk=N82E16835233038

G.Skill 2x2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

Same slickdeals deal for GTX 460 1GB:
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/38386/msi-n460gtx-cyclone-geforce-gtx-460-1gb-gddr5-video-card

It's probably just a bit above budget. Your call.
ST1M
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
August 26 2010 03:02 GMT
#1147
Could someone confirm for me that a X4 965(or less) can maintain 60fps(on medium or lower) in a 4v4 with the game stressed to the max? I'd greatly appreciate it.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 26 2010 03:13 GMT
#1148
See above, edited in before I saw your post.
zekie
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada380 Posts
August 26 2010 18:20 GMT
#1149
was wondering how this computer looks for running SC2?

CPU
- AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual-Core 3800+
MOBO
- A8N-SLI Premium UAYZ
GPU
- BFG GeForce 8600 GTS
- GeForce 7950 GX2
PSU
- OCZ GXS700 700W SLI Power Supply
MEMORY
- 2 x 1GB Kingston HyperX PC3200 KHX3200K2/2G
- 2 x 512MB Generic PC3200
HDD
- 120GB IDE WD1200JB-00G
- 80GB IDE ST380011A
OS
- Windows XP or Windows 7
CASE
- A-Top XBlade Gaming Mid-Tower ATX Case
JewJewBees
Profile Joined April 2010
United States87 Posts
August 26 2010 21:43 GMT
#1150
I guess this problem isn't directly related to SC2 but I figure this is a tech support forum, so here it goes.
I recently completed my computer build running an i5-750/gts250 (from pny if that matters) and while everything else seems to run smoothly, my monitor fails to recieve signal as soon as I do the reboot after installing the drivers for the GPU. (I've tried installing from the CD as well as directly from the website).

I poked around online and many people said that the power supply may be an issue but I'm currently using a 550W from Coolermaster and the gts250 has a requirement of 450W.

Another possible problem might be the monitor that I'm using is simply too old and can't handle the resolution that the drivers automatically set the computer to (not sure if it works that way). To attempt to test if that was the problem, I tried booting it up using the "Boot using lowest resolution" option from the startup screen and it'll load all the way up to where the desktop is showing but then dies in another 5-10 seconds. The machine is still running, though the amount of noise it produces drops off significantly after the monitor dies. (Still need to open the machine up and see if it's the GPU that stops spinning or if it's just quite.)

aeroH
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-26 23:34:18
August 26 2010 23:01 GMT
#1151
so i just bought a kit of OCZ 2gb ram, and after installing it with my old 2 sticks of 512mb ram, the monitor doesn't detect my desktop and all i get is a black screen.
they're both PC2 5400, both 1.8v, the timings are different but shouldn't bios adjust it to run at the slowest setting? one is 4-4-4 while the one i just installed is 5-5-5
could it be that i'm mixing 512mb with 1g? when i put the two new sticks in by themselves my comp doesn't boot but with the old ones they do.. did i just get really unlucky and buy ram my mobo doesn't like? :/ or are they just DOA
my motherboard is asus p5ld2
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 27 2010 00:02 GMT
#1152
Go to www.memtest.org, download the memtest, unzip it, and burn it to a CD as an .iso using isorecorder from http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm Boot up your computer with it already in, and let it run and test. You should test one stick at a time until 1 pass is finished, and altogether if there still aren't any errors.
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exarchrum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States491 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 00:29:33
August 27 2010 00:22 GMT
#1153
Awesome thread !
Anyways I think I'm in the market to build myself a computer.

I did some research and got a basic list so far.

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 445 $80
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770$135
Motherboard: Foxcon Motherboard$45
RAM:G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1333 $81

I already have optical drives, a HD, and case.
My HD is a Western Digital Cavier IDE 160gb drive from 2004, so its quite old but it has enough space for my needs. Would I be hurting myself by not upgrading to a new hard drive?

My case is an ANTEC, i'm not really sure of the model. But the dimensions are roughly 15.5 in x 7.5 in x 16in.

I'm guessing I'll need a new power supply as my old one is only 350W. Some suggestions here based on my other parts needs would be awesome.

On Newegg my total for CPU, GPU, mobo, & RAM is $395 right. I'm trying to keep this under $500. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit:
Another question: When would be a good time to buy? I can wait a few months. I noticed a lot of graphic card reviews dated around late september, early october of 2009 so is that a time when new lines come out? Thanks!
justin.tv/exarch watch me play!
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 01:00:13
August 27 2010 00:55 GMT
#1154
This 5770 looks like it has a bigger fan and is shorter in length than the one you chose. The upfront price is also $5 cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Not a fan of the motherboard. I don't know how great the Foxconn brand is, but I'd be better off recommending you get a motherboard by MSI, Gigabyte, or Asus.

Something from here hopefully.

You could probably increase the performance of your load times if you get a new 7200 rpm hard drive, if yours isn't 7200 rpm. That'll cost around $40 for 250gb worth, or $70 for 1TB.

You'll need about 450-550w for your power supply.
Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, and Silverstone are all good, and less so OCZ and Cooler Master
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 27 2010 18:10 GMT
#1155
On August 27 2010 03:20 zekie wrote:
was wondering how this computer looks for running SC2?

CPU
- AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual-Core 3800+
MOBO
- A8N-SLI Premium UAYZ
GPU
- BFG GeForce 8600 GTS
- GeForce 7950 GX2
PSU
- OCZ GXS700 700W SLI Power Supply
MEMORY
- 2 x 1GB Kingston HyperX PC3200 KHX3200K2/2G
- 2 x 512MB Generic PC3200
HDD
- 120GB IDE WD1200JB-00G
- 80GB IDE ST380011A
OS
- Windows XP or Windows 7
CASE
- A-Top XBlade Gaming Mid-Tower ATX Case


Are you posting what you have or what you're going to buy?
starleague forever
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 27 2010 19:05 GMT
#1156
On August 27 2010 09:22 exarchrum wrote:
Awesome thread !
Anyways I think I'm in the market to build myself a computer.

I did some research and got a basic list so far.

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 445 $80
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770$135
Motherboard: Foxcon Motherboard$45
RAM:G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1333 $81

I already have optical drives, a HD, and case.
My HD is a Western Digital Cavier IDE 160gb drive from 2004, so its quite old but it has enough space for my needs. Would I be hurting myself by not upgrading to a new hard drive?

My case is an ANTEC, i'm not really sure of the model. But the dimensions are roughly 15.5 in x 7.5 in x 16in.

I'm guessing I'll need a new power supply as my old one is only 350W. Some suggestions here based on my other parts needs would be awesome.

On Newegg my total for CPU, GPU, mobo, & RAM is $395 right. I'm trying to keep this under $500. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit:
Another question: When would be a good time to buy? I can wait a few months. I noticed a lot of graphic card reviews dated around late september, early october of 2009 so is that a time when new lines come out? Thanks!


Hi,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470418
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.457048
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431

$450, what do you think? See CPU review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2923/6

Also, I would definitely recommend upgrading to a more modern drive. Not only is the SATA interface much faster than IDE, the drives themselves are much faster as well. Think about picking up a Western Digital Caviar Black if you can.
starleague forever
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 27 2010 20:16 GMT
#1157
On August 28 2010 04:05 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 09:22 exarchrum wrote:
Awesome thread !
Anyways I think I'm in the market to build myself a computer.

I did some research and got a basic list so far.

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 445 $80
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770$135
Motherboard: Foxcon Motherboard$45
RAM:G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1333 $81

I already have optical drives, a HD, and case.
My HD is a Western Digital Cavier IDE 160gb drive from 2004, so its quite old but it has enough space for my needs. Would I be hurting myself by not upgrading to a new hard drive?

My case is an ANTEC, i'm not really sure of the model. But the dimensions are roughly 15.5 in x 7.5 in x 16in.

I'm guessing I'll need a new power supply as my old one is only 350W. Some suggestions here based on my other parts needs would be awesome.

On Newegg my total for CPU, GPU, mobo, & RAM is $395 right. I'm trying to keep this under $500. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit:
Another question: When would be a good time to buy? I can wait a few months. I noticed a lot of graphic card reviews dated around late september, early october of 2009 so is that a time when new lines come out? Thanks!


Hi,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470418
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.457048
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431

$450, what do you think? See CPU review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2923/6

Also, I would definitely recommend upgrading to a more modern drive. Not only is the SATA interface much faster than IDE, the drives themselves are much faster as well. Think about picking up a Western Digital Caviar Black if you can.


The Athlon X3 is an outstanding chip, I would recommend against stepping back from it. At worst, it's a worthwhile upgrade for three cores. Even better, it could unlock to an X4, which is a steal at the price.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 20:19:19
August 27 2010 20:19 GMT
#1158
On August 28 2010 04:05 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 09:22 exarchrum wrote:
Awesome thread !
Anyways I think I'm in the market to build myself a computer.

I did some research and got a basic list so far.

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 445 $80
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770$135
Motherboard: Foxcon Motherboard$45
RAM:G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1333 $81

I already have optical drives, a HD, and case.
My HD is a Western Digital Cavier IDE 160gb drive from 2004, so its quite old but it has enough space for my needs. Would I be hurting myself by not upgrading to a new hard drive?

My case is an ANTEC, i'm not really sure of the model. But the dimensions are roughly 15.5 in x 7.5 in x 16in.

I'm guessing I'll need a new power supply as my old one is only 350W. Some suggestions here based on my other parts needs would be awesome.

On Newegg my total for CPU, GPU, mobo, & RAM is $395 right. I'm trying to keep this under $500. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit:
Another question: When would be a good time to buy? I can wait a few months. I noticed a lot of graphic card reviews dated around late september, early october of 2009 so is that a time when new lines come out? Thanks!


Hi,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.470418
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.457048
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431

$450, what do you think? See CPU review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2923/6

Also, I would definitely recommend upgrading to a more modern drive. Not only is the SATA interface much faster than IDE, the drives themselves are much faster as well. Think about picking up a Western Digital Caviar Black if you can.


I don't know why you recommended that CPU and RAM, both are terrible choices. The Athlon II X3 and G-Skill that he picked out are much much better.

I would go with the Gigabyte motherboard. That foxcon one looks pretty bad.

While the GTS 460 is awesome, the 5770 is just as good value for money, especially for a budget build. I would bump up to a 460 if you can afford it though.

You should pick up a Spinpoint F3 rather than a caviar black, same performance and the spinpoint is cheaper.

For a power supply, the OCZ Fatal1ty should be just fine.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19254 Posts
August 27 2010 20:30 GMT
#1159
Actually, it doesn't matter. Newegg lists F3 and Black at the same price now, so it's only a preference of manufacturer.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 27 2010 21:03 GMT
#1160
Phenom II X2 555 and Sapphire Vapor-X HD 5770 -- $226, -15 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442705

G.Skill 2X2GB 1333 DDR3 -- $81
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

MSI 770 AM3 ATX (or that Gigabyte was good) -- $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130290

OCZ Fatal1ty 550W and Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB -- $100, -20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.466067

That's under $500 including PSU (though not a great one) and HDD. The dual core may be able to unlock. If not, it's still better than the Athlon II X2.
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