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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Voidz
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain51 Posts
September 15 2011 13:33 GMT
#11321
Hey again, a question, my case (an Ixium Stargate which i bought impulsively because of the looks, i know i know ) came with 6 motherboard metal standoffs and 3 plastic ones, which are designed i suppose to absord vibration, they also lock the motherboard in the same way the stock cooler for the i5 2500k locks into it. My question, is the motherboard (Asus P8P67 EVO) designed to be grounded on all 9 screwing points? should i buy 3 more metal standoffs or use this plastic ones?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 15 2011 13:37 GMT
#11322
Uhm, the standoffs don't ground your mobo. They prevent your mobo from shorting to ground.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 15 2011 13:38 GMT
#11323
The P8P67 EVO is an ATX board and you will be doing SLI so yes it is important to have all nine standoffs in place.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 15 2011 13:42 GMT
#11324
Yeah, I don't know anything about the plastic ones, but if they're sturdy enough and functional, they shouldn't cause a problem that I can think of. That said, I'd be a little creeped out and not use them myself.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 15 2011 13:45 GMT
#11325
On September 15 2011 21:35 Myrmidon wrote:
Lancool PC-K58 and Audio-Technica ATH-A700? What's the case on the left? Intellimouse optical are everywhere...


The case on the left, with the white top fan, is definitely a Fractal Design Arc or Core.
Voidz
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 13:52:22
September 15 2011 13:48 GMT
#11326
On September 15 2011 22:37 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, the standoffs don't ground your mobo. They prevent your mobo from shorting to ground.


Oh didn't know that, i think i saw a newegg video on how to build your pc, and the guy said that.

skyR why do you mention the SLI, because of the weight of the second card? do you know anything about these plastic standoffs?

edit with picture of them
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 15 2011 13:51 GMT
#11327
I know some cases comes with only plastic standoffs. Can't say how good they are though. I'd use them probably.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
September 15 2011 14:01 GMT
#11328
What is your budget?

£400

What is your resolution?

1280x1024

What are you using it for?

Gaming - not hardcore gaming though. SC2 on low, and wanna play diablo 3 on it too.

What is your upgrade cycle?

I dont really want to upgrade it.I cant see any game coming out that id want to upgrade in order to play it. So as long as i can go without, the better

When do you plan on building it?

Hopefully early, mid january. If not, late feb at the latest

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

no.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no

Where are you buying your parts from?

Anywhere cheap ^^
I dont have any preferences, but ive been using www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk
Its only a 5 min drive from my house so i can save on shipping my picking it up

I know it asks about OS, but i dont need monitor, mouse, keyboard, headset or anything. Just all the expensive bits :p

thanks fellas
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:29:08
September 15 2011 14:28 GMT
#11329
Should be that metal motherboard standoffs will connect the motherboard ground to the chassis. The important function is just to raise the motherboard away from the side of the case such that traces and surface mount components on the back side are not shorted to each other via the side of the case. I think that the standoff positions on the motherboard would be more or less connected to the same ground plane, so I wouldn't expect huge differences electrically if some were not used. I'm noob at PCB layout and EMI though.

Looking at it from another angle, I think it'd be a really really stupid design to release a motherboard that must be grounded to the chassis at each of the points. Some people will have plastic, while others may have cases with no hole at the corresponding location. This would make the probability of user error really high. So it really seems unlikely to matter. Just use whatever you have.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
September 15 2011 14:42 GMT
#11330
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On September 15 2011 11:08 Bambipwnsu wrote:
any reason why my 2500k isn't overclocking when I open up cpu-z...but OCed in the bios? Am i missing a setting somewhere?


On September 15 2011 11:12 Bambipwnsu wrote:
turbo boost is off and multi to 47


On September 15 2011 11:13 skyR wrote:
Turbo has to be on.


Wait... what?

I'm hesitant to even say anything to contradict skyR but... are you sure turbo has to be on?!? I'm OC'ing with turbo off, just the multiplier and VCore...
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 15 2011 14:50 GMT
#11331
On September 15 2011 23:28 Myrmidon wrote:
Should be that metal motherboard standoffs will connect the motherboard ground to the chassis. The important function is just to raise the motherboard away from the side of the case such that traces and surface mount components on the back side are not shorted to each other via the side of the case. I think that the standoff positions on the motherboard would be more or less connected to the same ground plane, so I wouldn't expect huge differences electrically if some were not used. I'm noob at PCB layout and EMI though.

Looking at it from another angle, I think it'd be a really really stupid design to release a motherboard that must be grounded to the chassis at each of the points. Some people will have plastic, while others may have cases with no hole at the corresponding location. This would make the probability of user error really high. So it really seems unlikely to matter. Just use whatever you have.


Wait, so the standoffs ground it and keep it from shorting to ground at the same time? God I hate electricity. Confuzzling shit sometimes.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 15 2011 14:56 GMT
#11332
Diablo 3 with 400£? I can try...

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ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better

I guess it's doable. But not on that site as it only has terrible prebuilt ones in that price range.

400 pounds = ~458 euros

CPU:
i3 2100 96.41€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41220&agid=1617

Motherboard:
MSI H61M-E33 H61 54.15€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44938&agid=1603

GPU:
ASUS Radeon HD 6870 DirectCU 143.49€ 14 http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41505&agid=1004

RAM:
Corsair Valueselect 1333MHz 4GB 17.71€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38042&agid=1192

HDD:
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM 46.19€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28152&agid=689

Case:
Xigmatek Asgard 31.61€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28607&agid=631

PSU:
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W 41.01€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30074&agid=1627

Optical Drive:
Samsung SH-222AB 16.68€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=47362&agid=699


Total: 447.25€ + 30€ shipping = 477.25€ = 416.62£

If it goes too much above 400 for your likings, replace the GPU with:

Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 123.90€ http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=39504&agid=1004

That way you'll be at 399.xx£
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:23:26
September 15 2011 15:07 GMT
#11333
46 euros for an F3? damn you guys have it rough over there.

edit: i forgot what i wanted to say,
It would make a huge difference if you could save another 50-100 euros to get a better CPU as it would probably last you much longer and give you a better experience (less lag).
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:10:03
September 15 2011 15:08 GMT
#11334
On September 16 2011 00:07 Ata wrote:
46 euros for an F3? damn you guys have it rough over there.

afaik we have much higher taxes in stores so everything's ~20% costier

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=samsung spinpoint f3

And tbh it's 60$ in US so
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:16:40
September 15 2011 15:11 GMT
#11335
On September 15 2011 23:50 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:28 Myrmidon wrote:
Should be that metal motherboard standoffs will connect the motherboard ground to the chassis. The important function is just to raise the motherboard away from the side of the case such that traces and surface mount components on the back side are not shorted to each other via the side of the case. I think that the standoff positions on the motherboard would be more or less connected to the same ground plane, so I wouldn't expect huge differences electrically if some were not used. I'm noob at PCB layout and EMI though.

Looking at it from another angle, I think it'd be a really really stupid design to release a motherboard that must be grounded to the chassis at each of the points. Some people will have plastic, while others may have cases with no hole at the corresponding location. This would make the probability of user error really high. So it really seems unlikely to matter. Just use whatever you have.


Wait, so the standoffs ground it and keep it from shorting to ground at the same time? God I hate electricity. Confuzzling shit sometimes.


Standoffs connect a part of the motherboard electrically to the case if they're metal. This is connecting stuff that is supposed to be (edit: kind of supposed to or optionally) connected together (the ground, though depending on which ground, ground is not always supposed to be connected together in all instances).

By raising the motherboard up, they prevent components on the motherboard from being connected directly to each other (shorted) or connected to ground, via the side of the case. i.e. stuff that's not supposed to be connected being unintentionally connected together.

Okay, motherboards work when placed outside of a case, right? It's not like they're connected to a sheet of metal via standoffs when operating like that...
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
September 15 2011 15:20 GMT
#11336
wow thanks shikyo thats pretty good, thats a cheap site
i wasnt thinking about going anywhere outside of uk cos of shipping but thats pretty good

and that'll run sc2 really well on low graphics yea?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 15 2011 15:25 GMT
#11337
On September 16 2011 00:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow thanks shikyo thats pretty good, thats a cheap site
i wasnt thinking about going anywhere outside of uk cos of shipping but thats pretty good

and that'll run sc2 really well on low graphics yea?


Hm, check scan.co.uk and ebuyer. Those have about comparable prices and are in the UK.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:27:11
September 15 2011 15:25 GMT
#11338
On September 16 2011 00:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow thanks shikyo thats pretty good, thats a cheap site
i wasnt thinking about going anywhere outside of uk cos of shipping but thats pretty good

and that'll run sc2 really well on low graphics yea?

Should run it easily on ultra with 1280x1024 so it might be overkill but I went with your budget. (its more to run Diablo 3 with decent FPS)

Edit: Btw yeah I don't know any UK sites so I went with this, feel free to compare around
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
September 15 2011 15:28 GMT
#11339
On September 16 2011 00:25 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 00:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow thanks shikyo thats pretty good, thats a cheap site
i wasnt thinking about going anywhere outside of uk cos of shipping but thats pretty good

and that'll run sc2 really well on low graphics yea?

Should run it easily on ultra with 1280x1024 so it might be overkill but I went with your budget.

Edit: Btw yeah I don't know any UK sites so I went with this, feel free to compare around

thanks buddy, much love <3

i was checking each price off that site against ebuyer and everything was cheaper.
I know ive seen an HD 6850 for about £110 and its a bit more then that off that german site but not by much iirc

This might sound silly, but how long till something like this would be redundant?
Say if i came to actually buy this in january, comparing price to performance would it still be a good buy? or are there likely to be changes that could make it more cost efficient or something?

thanks again
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:33:34
September 15 2011 15:29 GMT
#11340
On September 16 2011 00:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 00:07 Ata wrote:
46 euros for an F3? damn you guys have it rough over there.

afaik we have much higher taxes in stores so everything's ~20% costier

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=samsung spinpoint f3

And tbh it's 60$ in US so


i bought mine for 45$ CAD which is last i went to Europe ~25euros.

btw, i wasnt trying to be rude or anything.
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