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FragKrag

United States11563 Posts

August 13 2011 21:16 GMT

#9661

On August 14 2011 04:13 Keitzer wrote:

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says it was last updated 5-18-2011, idk WHAT was updated, maybe just the mods locking it

That was before the edit change was implemented.

Arnovic

Netherlands49 Posts

August 13 2011 21:54 GMT

#9662

So, after reading your replies I decided to make 2 different builds that should do the trick.

Build 1 € 777,42
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Case (€ 40,16)
Cooler master elite 430 link

Motherboard (€ 84,93)
ASUS P8P67 LE B3 Revision link

CPU (€ 181,63)
Intel Core i5 2500K / 3.3 GHz link

Storage (€ 68,50 + € 96,74)
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB link
SSD: Crucial m4 64 GB link

Powersupply (€ 73,33)
Corsair Gaming Series GS600 link

Optical Drive (€ 21,54)
LG GH24NS50 Super Multi link

Memory (€ 50,56)
Corsair Vengeance 8 GB link

GPU (€ 160,03)
Sapphire RADEON HD 6870 link

Build 2 € 767,51
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Case (€ 40,16)
Cooler master elite 430 link

Motherboard (€ 92,86)
ASUS M5A97 PRO link

CPU (€ 163,79)
AMDPhenomII X6 1100T 3.3GHz link

Storage (€ 68,50 + € 96,74)
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB link
SSD: Crucial m4 64 GB link

Powersupply (€ 73,33)
Corsair Gaming Series GS600 link

Optical Drive (€ 21,54)
LG GH24NS50 Super Multi link

Memory (€ 50,56)
Corsair Vengeance 8 GB link

GPU (€ 160,03)
Sapphire RADEON HD 6870 link

I'd really like to hear you guyes' thoughts about these build and which is the smartest to chose if I'll be upgrading in min 1 year.
Also what are good keyboards and mice for starcraft 2? The steelseries 6G v2 keyboard looks nice and I for a mouse I want to spend 50 euros max.

Grtz, Arnovic

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

August 13 2011 22:15 GMT

#9663

Intel configuration is better without question.

P8P67 LE board sucks, get a different board.

Not sure why you still spending a premium on a Caviar Black when you have an SSD.

XFX Core Edition 450 provides more than enough power for your configuration and is of higher quality than the Corsair GS: http://azerty.nl/0-1073-398442/xfx-core-edition-pro450w-voe.html

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

August 13 2011 22:19 GMT

#9664

I've got a CX430 PSU and a Radeon 6870 Black Edition:

The power supply only has 1 pci-e connector and I don't have an adapter on hand to convert molex to pci-e. In the interim that it takes to get an adapter, is it okay to leave the card in the mobo (In the slot but unpowered) and just use the onboard video port in the meantime? Or should I take the card out to be safe?

I'd prefer not to have to keep touching the card if I can help it, but obviously dont want it to fry. Also I live in the middle of no where so its about an hour drive to a computer store that I'll probably make tomorrow.

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

August 13 2011 22:22 GMT

#9665

Yes, you can do that if the motherboard doesn't automatically disable the on-board when it detects a discrete card.

Arnovic

Netherlands49 Posts

August 13 2011 22:44 GMT

#9666

On August 14 2011 07:15 skyR wrote:
Intel configuration is better without question.

P8P67 LE board sucks, get a different board.

Not sure why you still spending a premium on a Caviar Black when you have an SSD.

XFX Core Edition 450 provides more than enough power for your configuration and is of higher quality than the Corsair GS: http://azerty.nl/0-1073-398442/xfx-core-edition-pro450w-voe.html

I'm pretty sure the hd 6870 requires a 500 W psu so that xfx core edition 450 wont work I think.
And I just cant understand how a quad core processor can beat a 6 core processor with the same clock speed..

MisterFred

United States2033 Posts

August 13 2011 22:51 GMT

#9667

There's more to a processor than just speed and cores. Lots & lots of other factors involved. I remember going to Intel's Folsom plant and seeing the giant blow-up schematics of electronics wrapping around cubicles. It was a sight to behold. When it doubt, accept the word of neutral experts and benchmarks.

thehitman

1105 Posts

August 13 2011 22:59 GMT

#9668

On August 14 2011 06:54 Arnovic wrote:
So, after reading your replies I decided to make 2 different builds that should do the trick.

Build 1 € 777,42
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Build 2 € 767,51
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I'd go for a I5 2400. You save quite a lot of money for pretty much equal performance.

You basically get 700mb rar file for example get decompressed like 3 seconds earlier with a 2500k, you get a 300mb mpeg2 creation 4-5 seconds faster with a 2500k. Of course you can overclock it more and get it 7-8 seconds faster on most stuff, but generally its not worth it.

Plus the 2400 has a nice overclock itself, even though the clock in not unlocked.

Madoga

Netherlands471 Posts

August 13 2011 23:33 GMT

#9669

On August 14 2011 07:44 Arnovic wrote:

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Those requirements are total shit. They have to acount for bad and old PSU's, overlabeling and an extra safety margin. The xfx core 450W is more than fine.

For the power requirements look here. Its all fairly simple, has safty margins and overclock margins built in.

As for your configurations, I totally agree with SkyR.
Take this mobo, it just got reduced in price.
Besides that you allso need a CPU cooler example.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 13 2011 23:37 GMT

#9670

On August 14 2011 07:44 Arnovic wrote:

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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290

Check load power consumption in watts in furmark. Near the bottom. That's total system power draw, with a more power inefficient CPU than the current gen intels, OCed heavily, and not factoring the efficiency of the PSU. 306w. You're fine.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=363

There's a lower clocked current gen Intel CPU vs an 1100T x6. See for yourself.

thehitman

1105 Posts

August 14 2011 00:06 GMT

#9671

On August 14 2011 08:37 JingleHell wrote:

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You are wrong.

Each graphic card is specific and especially if it has custom cooling you need to make sure it doesn't require a specific voltage.

Don't be like the guy who was recommended a crap PSU by some1, possibly skyr and then wasn't able to run his graphic card, because it was 420W and the GPU required 450W

So even though generally most 6850/70 don't require 450 or more, its nice to check the specific GPU and get a 550W PSU. These days 450W psu's are more expensive than 550W ones and having that extra wattage for future upgrade is always nice.

I know I've burned PSU's for just adding two more sticks and the PSU blowing up on me.

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

August 14 2011 00:17 GMT

#9672

That difference is like a few watts no more .... i'm clearly no PSU expert but i've learned enough to say that that 450w psu is more then enough for any 6870

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

August 14 2011 00:19 GMT

#9673

Please link me to this specific account you are referring to where I recommended a crap power supply that wasn't capable of handling the graphics card. Btw I don't recommend 420w power supplies as there are no quality reasonably priced ones that exist at that wattage. A custom heatsink has very little to do with power consumption, you think a few extra watts from a better fan is going to add 100w or a sufficient amount over what is required for the reference heatsink? 450w power supplies are more expensive than 550w ones because they're of higher quality and some actually provide more power.

Memory doesn't even draw power from the same rail as the graphics card so I'm sorry that you buy crappy power supplies that can't even handle measly memory upgrades.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 14 2011 00:20 GMT

#9674

If a reference 6870 in an OCed Bloomfield configuration pulls 300w from the wall in furmark, I'd love to know how any 6870 in a reasonable SB configuration is going to require a 450w PSU.

I'll mock the rest of that when you show me something besides anecdotes that says the GPU "requirement" listed on the manufacturer's website involves clairvoyant knowledge of the rig you're putting it in to be able to be a perfect minimum like you're saying they are. Otherwise, you're talking out your ass, and it's not worth refuting.

thehitman

1105 Posts

August 14 2011 02:28 GMT

#9675

On August 14 2011 09:20 JingleHell wrote:
If a reference 6870 in an OCed Bloomfield configuration pulls 300w from the wall in furmark, I'd love to know how any 6870 in a reasonable SB configuration is going to require a 450w PSU.

I'll mock the rest of that when you show me something besides anecdotes that says the GPU "requirement" listed on the manufacturer's website involves clairvoyant knowledge of the rig you're putting it in to be able to be a perfect minimum like you're saying they are. Otherwise, you're talking out your ass, and it's not worth refuting.

Can't find the example unless I go through 500+ of my posts, but if you don't believe me search it yourself or better yet go to newegg and read some of the comments on those GPU's and you'll see what I'm talking about. Their GPU's don't boot because they require 450W and ones got lower

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 14 2011 02:31 GMT

#9676

On August 14 2011 11:28 thehitman wrote:

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Your source is newegg reviews? Your argument is getting worse, not better. Anyways, I've given sources for what I said, if you want to attack, burden of proof is on you. Otherwise you're just trolling.

Madoga

Netherlands471 Posts

August 14 2011 02:48 GMT

#9677

On August 14 2011 11:28 thehitman wrote:

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1. You are comparing the xfx core edition 450W with a random budget bin 450W PSU.
2. Newegg reviewers have no clue what they are talking about.
3. SkyR does know what hes talking about and his recomendation is based on a combination of knowledge and math.
4. What you think/say is based on newegg reviews and someone's PC that wouldn't boot?

So just find a list of good PSU's (example), read the reviews and get one of those good PSU's. Dont compare unknown bad PSU's to a quality 450W PSU. Besides that I dont see any review of anyone not beeing able to boot.

ballasdontcry

Canada595 Posts

August 14 2011 05:15 GMT

#9678

So I've been hobbling up something for a friend who's interested in getting a budget computer for gaming, but doesn't know too much about how to get about doing it. His goal is to play D3, SC2 and TF2 on reasonable graphics settings (medium-high, let's say on 1920x1080 to be safe, because he hasn't decided on a monitor yet) and have it last a couple years to play equivalent low-middle tier games, so it's not like he wants to play something graphically cutting edge like Crysis 2.

I've got everything pretty much nailed down except the GPU. Any thoughts on a budget-ish card, something on the medium scale among cards, that will make this build fit into the $500 or so range? I assume on board cooling on the CPU and GPU will suffice for this budget build so I won't need a heatsink.

Will be getting the parts at NCIX and prices are PM'd ones.

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Mobo/CPU/RAM bundle - 249.99 (MSI H61, i3 2120, Mushkin 4gb ddr3-1333)

GPU???

HDD - Caviar Blue 500GB (pm to 37.99)
DVD - LG GH22NS70 (pm to 17.79)
Case - Coolermaster Elite 370 (35.99)
PSU - antec neo eco 450C(28.99)

Total 370.75

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

August 14 2011 05:43 GMT

#9679

I hope you're talking about this deal for $215 ($200 after mail in rebate): http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62171&promoid=1300 because it wouldn't be a wise decision to purchase that combo for $250 since even at $215, it's not that good of a bundle.

GTS 450 will be capable of medium - high at 1080p for $111 ($71 after mail in rebate): http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57924&promoid=1300 or a Radeon HD6850 for $160 ($140 after mail in rebate) if you want high - maxed: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56356&promoid=1300

Yes you're correct that you do not need additional cooling.

Chahta

United States148 Posts

August 14 2011 06:29 GMT

#9680

For a basic i3 2100 system, I'm uncertain of what motherboard to go with other than an H67 config.

Its for my mom, so it will just be running the IGP HD 2000 (or should I step up to the 2105 for HD 3000?), and likely just a 500 GB - 1 TB HDD and 4gigs RAM. So basically no need to overclock (obviously...its a 2100), no SSD, no discreet gfx card.

I could detail the parts but I'm assuming that's not necessary...I just know nothing of mobos, even as far as what brands to go with or features to look for.

Would something akin to the MSI H67MA-E35 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard work? Is there something better? Another brand?

Thanks

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