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On August 04 2011 09:06 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 09:00 .DrK wrote:hi! i have a few questions. i made a quick research and i ran down the build to a few buddies of mine and here are what they said: that psu only supports 1 pci-e 6 pin. you need 2 for that video card. I would definitely get a better psu. with that card and cpu, you want something of better quality and just a bit more watts. also I'm sure you know but the MB is a micro. not sure if that's what you intended or not  You have an unlocked processor (i5-2500k), but you have a barebones basic chipset with your motherboard (H61). You won't be able to overclock your processor, which would sort of defeat the point of purchasing an i5-2500k.
Your power supply does not have enough 6-pin connectors to power your video card (GTX 560 Ti). so it appears i would need to change my psu and maybe change my processor since i dont really want to overclock it. what do you suggest? thanks a lot! Well for a quick time-saver I'll note they mis-read the build. SkyR recommended an i7-2500, without K, which make the motherboard well-suited. I bow to others when it comes to power supplies.
i5-2500. i7-2500 doesn't exist (i7-2600 does). Antec Neo Eco 450C is a Seasonic-built unit similar to the S12II Bronze, Antec High Current Gamer 400/520/620, XFX Core 450/550, and a couple others. You can find reviews of those units linked on pages like this:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page625.htm
The Neo Eco is just an earlier revision of the same design that's not 80 plus bronze and uses slightly cheaper components here and there (not all Japanese capacitors for one). It's a pretty decent unit, and you'll never use over 300W with that build. You can get something of better quality if you want, but it'll cost substantially more, and the Neo Eco is good enough to the point that most people that know about PSUs would never take offense to it.
They're right that the power supply only has 1 PCIe power connector though, but the GTX 560 Ti needs two. However, the power supply has four molex connectors, and graphics cards such as the GTX 560 Ti come with a 2 molex -> PCIe power adapter (depends on vendor, but they almost all do).
edit: slow I am.
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hey guys,
so I've been wanting to upgrading my desktop and I'm looking for a new cpu, motherboard, graphics card, and a cpu cooler. so far I'm planning on getting a i5-2500k and a hd 6950, can anyone recommend a good motherboard and cooler? or better yet, another cpu or graphics? The desktop will mostly be doing gaming at 1920x1080, plus autocad and solidworks with 3 monitors, so I guess it has to be a radeon eyefinity card? as for the budget I want to spend as little as possible as long as the job gets done.
also i've just bought 2x4gb ddr3-1600 ram made by avexir, does anyone know much about the company? all i know is that its based in taiwan.
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Most P67 and Z68 motherboards can overclock a i5-2500k to say 4.7 GHz with no problem (cooling and whether or not you think the extra voltage is worth the small clock speed gains are larger factors usually). Just avoid the Asus P8P67 LE and maybe some of the lowest-end models from others. AsRock P67 Pro3 is pretty good and cheap.
As for cooling, a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus or similar 120mm fan tower heatsink (if your case has at least 160mm clearance) is generally sufficient for most overclocking, particularly for just a i5-2500k.
Keep in mind that you need to use a DisplayPort output if you want to drive three monitors from a single AMD card. Or the alternative is using the graphics card to support 2 (or 1) monitor and using a Z68 motherboard, with the integrated graphics handling the last monitor. If you're doing it that way, then DisplayPort is not necessary and you could use a Nvidia card if you wanted.
HD 6950 (definitely get a 1GB version) is a bit overkill on modern games at 1920x1080. So is a i5-2500k and overclocking, to be honest. edit: however, it would be useful for SolidWorks and AutoCAD depending on what you're doing. Maybe it would be better to use an Nvidia card for CUDA support for AutoCAD?
I don't know about Avexir, but like most companies selling RAM modules, they just source the same memory chips from the same manufacturers like Micron, Elpida, Nanya, Infineon, Hynix, Samsung, and so on. Or at least I think Avexir's not a manufacturer. Anyway, I wouldn't expect there to be much difference. btw "based in Taiwan" isn't much of a distinguishing factor for a company selling computer component hardware. 
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On August 04 2011 09:10 skyR wrote:I linked the wrong processor on the NCIX but my recommendation was for getting the core i5 2500 with no suffix: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57963Yes the power supply provides only one 6pin PCIe connector so you would have to use a single PCIe to molex adapter that's provided by the graphics card. I did list an alternative which is of higher quality and provides enough connectors without the use of adapters.
do you think i should up the wattage for my psu? theyre recommending that id go for a 550w as an absolute minimum.
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On August 04 2011 11:41 .DrK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 09:10 skyR wrote:I linked the wrong processor on the NCIX but my recommendation was for getting the core i5 2500 with no suffix: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57963Yes the power supply provides only one 6pin PCIe connector so you would have to use a single PCIe to molex adapter that's provided by the graphics card. I did list an alternative which is of higher quality and provides enough connectors without the use of adapters. do you think i should up the wattage for my psu? theyre recommending that id go for a 550w as an absolute minimum.
Like I said, your build's not going to use over 300W (or about that much with a CPU overclock, no GPU overclock, in worst-case scenario). It's up to you whether or not you think a reasonable quality 450W unit--backed by a 3 year warranty in case that's ever necessary--is not going to be able to handle that. There are plenty of units labeled at 500W or 680W or whatever that would not run your system, but those are lying about their contents.
Get the XFX unit if you want something a little better and that has two PCIe connectors so you don't need to use an adapter.
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Longtime lurker and first time poster here. I've been planning to build a new PC for a while, and will probably have enough money for it this December thanks to my 13th month bonus. Planning a high-end setup that can play most modern games at high or better. The problem for me is that there isn't that much variety in parts here compared to the US. (Link to list at the bottom of this post)
I've done a little research myself and concluded that I want to get an i5-2500K for a processor and at least 4GB of RAM (may get 8 because I do some graphics editing), but beyond that I am not sure what to get (graphics card, motherboard, etc). Heat is also somewhat of an issue since I live in a tropical country and I can't afford 24/7 air conditioning. I am also considering getting a UPS because of the occasional fluctuating power here.
My budget is about $1000-1200 USD, less is also okay. I already have a gaming mouse and keyboard as well as dual monitors, I just need the CPU itself.
I've also wanted to switch to a 64-bit system for a while now, this may be my chance to do so.
Basically:
Budget: At most $1200, but not absolute. Note that local prices are a bit higher than US prices.
Resolution: Already have two 22" widescreen monitors at 1650 x 1080 (prefer a graphics card with two DVI outputs because of that)
Use: Gaming in general, high quality
Upgrade Cycle: I buy every 3-5 years, more if my PC can still play games after that period
When: December this year, possible January
Overclocking: Probably not, it's kind of hot here, although advice on this is appreciated
OS: Already have a Win7 Home, but may upgrade if needed
GPU: I prefer a single GPU
Where am I buying: http://www.pcx.com.ph/pricelists/2011-08-05-1024.zip (Divide amounts by 42.5 to convert to USD)
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Wait till December and ask again.
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Ah, well, okay. I was thinking of planning early for budgeting reasons.
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Look at the last 5 pages and go from there. All the computer builds suggested in this thread are literally the same, if you haven't already noticed.
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On August 04 2011 13:22 Womwomwom wrote:
Look at the last 5 pages and go from there. All the computer builds suggested in this thread are literally the same, if you haven't already noticed.
Now now, that's not true in the least. There's at least 4 common variants, depending on price range and interest in OCing. At least he didn't say the "L word".
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On August 04 2011 11:21 Myrmidon wrote:Most P67 and Z68 motherboards can overclock a i5-2500k to say 4.7 GHz with no problem (cooling and whether or not you think the extra voltage is worth the small clock speed gains are larger factors usually). Just avoid the Asus P8P67 LE and maybe some of the lowest-end models from others. AsRock P67 Pro3 is pretty good and cheap. As for cooling, a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus or similar 120mm fan tower heatsink (if your case has at least 160mm clearance) is generally sufficient for most overclocking, particularly for just a i5-2500k. Keep in mind that you need to use a DisplayPort output if you want to drive three monitors from a single AMD card. Or the alternative is using the graphics card to support 2 (or 1) monitor and using a Z68 motherboard, with the integrated graphics handling the last monitor. If you're doing it that way, then DisplayPort is not necessary and you could use a Nvidia card if you wanted. HD 6950 (definitely get a 1GB version) is a bit overkill on modern games at 1920x1080. So is a i5-2500k and overclocking, to be honest. edit: however, it would be useful for SolidWorks and AutoCAD depending on what you're doing. Maybe it would be better to use an Nvidia card for CUDA support for AutoCAD? I don't know about Avexir, but like most companies selling RAM modules, they just source the same memory chips from the same manufacturers like Micron, Elpida, Nanya, Infineon, Hynix, Samsung, and so on. Or at least I think Avexir's not a manufacturer. Anyway, I wouldn't expect there to be much difference. btw "based in Taiwan" isn't much of a distinguishing factor for a company selling computer component hardware.
yeah I was going to get the gtx560Ti until I found out that they only support 2 monitors maxed, and I didnt know the alternative with the Z68. but as far as the graphics, are there any particular brand I should or shouldnt look into? or are they basically all the same and I should just pick the cheapest one?
and thanks for the help Myrmidon, much appreciated.
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There are a lot of graphics card manufacturers, each generally producing multiple models for each GPU, but they're really not very different since the performance is just determined by the GPU used and clock speeds. Regardless of brand, some models are better and worse than others in different ways.
There may be differences in board design, components used, ports out the back, and the cooling solution. The biggest difference is in cooling: some blow most of the hot air out of the case while others heat up the inside of your case more, some are much quieter than others, and some have much lower temperatures under load. Check reviews of a model before you buy it to see if it is acceptable for you.
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And not newegg reviews, preferably. Those are only good for finding out what happens when a particular model is shipped defective.
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On August 04 2011 14:10 JingleHell wrote:
And not newegg reviews, preferably. Those are only good for finding out what happens when a particular model is shipped defective.
Rofl spit out my water reading that
btw what's the L word
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On August 04 2011 13:22 Womwomwom wrote:
Look at the last 5 pages and go from there. All the computer builds suggested in this thread are literally the same, if you haven't already noticed.
I took a look, got a general idea of the parts I may get, but like I said, local availability/variety here isn't that great especially for components like PSUs, cases and cooling so I wanted to know which of these local selections are the best for my budget. I just thought of starting my inquiries now since the prices and selection of parts here rarely change all that much.
Point is moot though, I'll just ask again in several months, maybe with a more detailed plan.
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On August 04 2011 14:17 epikAnglory wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 14:10 JingleHell wrote:
And not newegg reviews, preferably. Those are only good for finding out what happens when a particular model is shipped defective. Rofl spit out my water reading that
Ever read newegg reviews? If a good hardware site had a humor column, it would look like that.
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On August 04 2011 14:18 Mariella wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 13:22 Womwomwom wrote:
Look at the last 5 pages and go from there. All the computer builds suggested in this thread are literally the same, if you haven't already noticed. I took a look, got a general idea of the parts I may get, but like I said, local availability/variety here isn't that great especially for components like PSUs, cases and cooling so I wanted to know which of these local selections are the best for my budget. I just thought of starting my inquiries now since the prices and selection of parts here rarely change all that much. Point is moot though, I'll just ask again in several months, maybe with a more detailed plan.
Selection is not the best, but they sell some good stuff and enough common things that there should be no worry about finding something:
FSP Aurum 500W -- cost is lower than in USA, though that series is overpriced here
Antec VP450 / Silverstone ST50F-ES / etc -- okay lower-cost PSUs
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus / Thermaltake Frio -- typical coolers
Antec 300 / Thermaltake V3 / Cooler Master Elite -- typical low-budget cases
Cooler Master 690 Advanced -- most expensive case listed lol, overpriced, but good
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Not sure if this is the best thread to ask but I'm wondering if anyone know what specs on a computer is most important when it comes to doing 3D work in autocad?
Someone on a different site told me that the graphic card was probably best to focus on getting a good one for heavy 3D dwg's. I'm working in construction so I have a lot of drawings with a lot of things to generate and spinning some drawings can be a bitch. I also need high resolution so I can get a good view of it.
If trying to figure out what parts I can save some money on. Lets say I get an i5-2400, 4 GB or RAM, and like a geforce 560 ti with a decent motherboard, what part is most overkill or what is worth spending more on?
Also is cad work similar to work in like photoshop and other 3d programs? It's easier to find good advice for hardware for those programs but I'm not knowledgable enough to know the difference in operations.
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