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On July 22 2011 13:41 KoveN- wrote:Ok, I probably won't go the SLI then because I'd prefer a quieter system. I might get an SSD. It's used to just put all your games on and the operating system yeah? Might upgrade my case to this http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=606178&CategoryID=440 What do you think? Also why not go the 2000mhz gskill ram rather than the 1600mhz geil?
I go into RAM in the same post.
Antec 900 isn't exactly the best case for your money, moreso if you want a quieter system.
SSDs aren't typically used for all games, specifically, multiplayer stuff doesn't tend to work so well, since you'll be stuck waiting for the jackass with the 5400RPM super fragmented HDD.
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Ok, here's what I've come up with after doing a little bit of research and modifications for taste:
WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200RPM - $87
G-Skill DD3 8GB (2x4GB) PC-12800/1600 $74
Asus P8P67- PROV3 - $194
i5 2500k - $213
Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler - $95
Asus GTX 590 - $878
Corsair HX850 850W Power Supply - $230
Thermaltake Black Chaser case - $176
Total: $1947
Any major criticisms / important things I've left out / major fuckups I've over looked? (leaving aside opinions about the cost vs performance aspect).
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First off, why is there no SSD in a build like this?
I've never heard of the Thermaltake Chaser, but that doesn't mean much since I'm not really a fan of full towers. But I suspect there are much better options for air cooling and build quality for about the same price.
850W is borderline too low for two GTX 590s, so I'm going to guess that you weren't planning on that. If you're not planning on using all those motherboard slots anyway and are already going dual GPU with the GTX 590, you may as well just roll your own SLI GTX 580 (or realistically, just SLI GTX 570) or Crossfire HD 6970/6950.
Also, if there's not a somewhat high-end sound system or headphones involved, you should work on that. I mention that because you didn't list a dedicated sound card, which may be helpful if you're connecting sound through analog (directly driving headphones or passing to whatever else). If sound is going to be passed through digitally, the onboard audio can do that fine.
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SSDs scare me to be quite frank LOL. It still feels like really new tech to me, and all the horror stories I've read of the SSDs failing after a few months put me off. That said I have no personal experience with them at all. If people here are quite comfortable with them, and their durability I'll grab one (I rebuild my pc's from scratch every three years generally, so a component that will fail in 6-12 months is not acceptable to me).
I don't plan to SLI the 590s, certainly not in the short term (which probably means never with new cards on the horizon).
You're quite right though that the SLI 570s outperform the 590... and are actually cheaper. My concern is the heat produced by two cards like that being so close together (again, I don't want components failing in 12 months). If people know any specific cooling solutions, I'd be interested in hearing about them.
As for sound, I plan on using my current logitech speakers. I'm not a fan of headphones.
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Thermaltake anything is trash. They've only ever made one good standout product, ever, and that's the old Tai Chi which was an extremely flexible and decently thought out chassis.
Unless you are using eATX (in that case the best idea would be to get a Supermicro workstation chassis, modify an old Apple G5, or buy straight from Dell/HP/Lenovo) or a billion hard drives, you should never get a full tower chassis. Cooling is more difficult due to size, most PSU cables are often too short to reach all of the ports without some extensions, and side panels will be far more prone to vibrations.
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Question.. If I were to purchase this deal: Link to Desktop Deal
Doing the i5-2500+U2211H+4GB for only $499($909.00-$350-$60=$499) (going to sell the monitor hopefully for 200+)
Which it states the dell vostro 460 has a 350 watt PSU..
Will I be able to throw this into it without having to upgrade the PSU? Link to 6850 deal
an xfx 6850.. Ill probably upgrade the PSU eventually but will is run without doing so?
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A Samsung F3 Spinpoint or WD Caviar Blue will rack up similar performance to the Caviar Black but for like $30 less. Other than that, everything is fine.
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On July 22 2011 17:17 Brett wrote:
SSDs scare me to be quite frank LOL. It still feels like really new tech to me, and all the horror stories I've read of the SSDs failing after a few months put me off. That said I have no personal experience with them at all. If people here are quite comfortable with them, and their durability I'll grab one (I rebuild my pc's from scratch every three years generally, so a component that will fail in 6-12 months is not acceptable to me).
I don't plan to SLI the 590s, certainly not in the short term (which probably means never with new cards on the horizon).
You're quite right though that the SLI 570s outperform the 590... and are actually cheaper. My concern is the heat produced by two cards like that being so close together (again, I don't want components failing in 12 months). If people know any specific cooling solutions, I'd be interested in hearing about them.
As for sound, I plan on using my current logitech speakers. I'm not a fan of headphones.
SSD isn't new tech. Yes, there's horror stories, but the majority of those come from people who try to get the fastest ones, when you need synthetic benchmarks to tell the difference between those and the reliable ones.
A 590 has two GPU's, and they're on one board. How you think that won't be super hot, I don't know. As long as your airflow is good, two 570s shouldn't be considerably worse.
Multi GPU configurations will always be hot and noisy, but if you set up good airflow, it can be managed. Anyway, if you're capping framerate, very very very few games with an SLI profile will actually demand enough of the cards to get them anywhere near full use, which means they won't get nearly as hot as you might expect. My SLI 460s only actually get the fans above base speed on DA2 and Crysis2. Haven't played Metro or Witcher, but I assume they'd do it too. SLI 570s would have issues with less games.
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Cooling solution for SLI -> Silverstone RV02 (or RV02-E preferred, or FT02) -> done.
Lots of hard drives fail in 6-12 months too.
If your speakers are connected through analog jacks and not like S/PDIF, a dedicated sound card may be better (doesn't have to be internal). However, it's probably not worth it if they're just random Logitech speakers, unless those are up for an upgrade too.
On July 22 2011 19:29 [cF]TridenT wrote:Question.. If I were to purchase this deal: Link to Desktop Deal Doing the i5-2500+U2211H+4GB for only $499($909.00-$350-$60=$499) (going to sell the monitor hopefully for 200+) Which it states the dell vostro 460 has a 350 watt PSU.. Will I be able to throw this into it without having to upgrade the PSU? Link to 6850 dealan xfx 6850.. Ill probably upgrade the PSU eventually but will is run without doing so?
It will most likely run, but it's not particularly recommended. If it claims something like 22A on +12V or more, it's likely okay for the short term.
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Hello guys,
My parents own a prebuilt computer with a 5450 in it. Now they are planning on buying a TV and connecting the computer to this new TV. Would this card be able to run movies? is there a point of getting those 600Hz TVs? or even 120Hz?
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On July 23 2011 00:06 ataryens wrote:
Hello guys,
My parents own a prebuilt computer with a 5450 in it. Now they are planning on buying a TV and connecting the computer to this new TV. Would this card be able to run movies? is there a point of getting those 600Hz TVs? or even 120Hz?
Yes, any modern desktop processor or graphics card will be able to do 1080p content easily.
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On July 23 2011 00:49 ataryens wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:32 skyR wrote:On July 23 2011 00:06 ataryens wrote:
Hello guys,
My parents own a prebuilt computer with a 5450 in it. Now they are planning on buying a TV and connecting the computer to this new TV. Would this card be able to run movies? is there a point of getting those 600Hz TVs? or even 120Hz? Yes, any modern desktop processor or graphics card will be able to do 1080p content easily. so it can render 600 fps for movies? (sorry, just wanted to double check incase u read 60)
How uninformed can you get? You don't WANT to render 600FPS for movies. Most movies are in the 23 FPS range, and in fact you should set the GPU output to 23hz to match that for best quality.
600 FPS would be waste of GPU power, causing it to make needless noise trying to stay cool, and look like utter shit due to tearing and duplicated frames.
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On July 23 2011 00:49 ataryens wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:32 skyR wrote:On July 23 2011 00:06 ataryens wrote:
Hello guys,
My parents own a prebuilt computer with a 5450 in it. Now they are planning on buying a TV and connecting the computer to this new TV. Would this card be able to run movies? is there a point of getting those 600Hz TVs? or even 120Hz? Yes, any modern desktop processor or graphics card will be able to do 1080p content easily. so it can render 600 fps for movies? (sorry, just wanted to double check incase u read 60)
Lol what? The majority, if not all movies are shot at 24 FPS and broadcasts at 30 FPS.
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Thx for the answer, can you link me to a good website for general tv shopping knowledge? i am very much uninformed.
then what does Hz stand for? isnt it frames that it can show in a sec?
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4380/discrete-htpc-gpus-shootout
Required reading for people who don't have a clue wanting to watch movies on a PC and have high quality. This is all about GPUs for HTPC use.
Hz is a measurement of cycles per second. In the case of a display, it means it refreshes that many times per second. That does put a hardware cap on displayable FPS, but that has absolutely jack shit to do with the FPS that the media is actually produced in.
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That's not on the GPU though. Those TVs just accept the usual 23.976 fps or whatever and then interpolate...a lot.
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thx again guys, please forgive my ignorace  I didnt wanna make u all mad
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