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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 27 2011 12:12 skyR wrote: You should tell us how much you are willing to spend on a new monitor. Not all 16 : 9 monitors are expensive as you make them out to be, many can be found in the range of $100 - $200. $80-$100. No fluctuating here, really in terms of price. ;-; | ||
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On June 27 2011 06:13 yourteam wrote: + Show Spoiler + hi, i saw in the stickies that this is the place for nobs to ask comp qs, so i bought an asus rog laptop and it was the suck, so now i am trying to move back to pc and to dell The price is:$2,058.00 with monitor Questions: 1 Will this run sc2 good? and by good i mean will it run on high settings, with high resolution with good framerates? 2 what matters more with gpus, memory or SLI/crossfire? Should i buy one gpu with large memory like 2 gb, or buy a crossfire 1gb each (im assuming ati because my nvidia was a fucking bitch to update the drivers for)? 3 any other suggestions you might have on how to change the build to make it better any comments about why dell/alienware/corporations are expensive are not helpful, i don't know jack about computers, or how to put them together, and even if i did i can't get them mailed to me piece by piece without the parts getting stolen, so unless you want to route me to a better corp just comment on this please if i did something ultra nobby here then i understand if i should be banned for stupidity, just thought i would ask here cuz there seems to be intelligent people and i feel like if i had asked b4 buying that asus i would have been told it was not meant for sc2 PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-2600 (8MB Cache) Overclocked Turbo Boost to 3.9GHz OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English CHASSIS COLOR Matte Stealth Black Chassis with 875W Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 6870 HARD DRIVE 2TB (2x 1TB) SATA II (3Gb/s) 7,200RPM (2x 32MB Cache) MONITOR 21.5” Alienware AW2210 OptX™ Full HD Gaming Monitor SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio WIRELESS & BLUETOOTH 802.11n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.1 EDR USB Combo Adapter OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BD-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW) My Software & Accessories ALIENFX AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue OS CUSTOMIZATION Alienhead 3D KEYBOARD Alienware Multi-Media Keyboard MOUSE Alienware Optical Mouse, MG100 My Accessories SERVICE PLAN 2 Year Basic Service Plan, DMLP ONLINE DATA BACKUP DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM Alienware Aurora-R3 Alienware Aurora Desktop COOLING OPTION Alienware™ High-Performance Liquid Cooling Adobe Reader Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader Edit: Forgot to ask: Is integrated audio useful or should i get the soundcard? I honestly like this company better: ibuypower Edit: Just was informed that NCIX is in America lol www.ncixus.com They've been pretty well rated by various websites and they don't upcharge as much as alienware does What I did was link you to the configuration thing, you get to pick from a good variety of cases and accessories, just pick out essentially the same items as the alienware and you should get it for a good bit less. You don't get a lot of the alienware accessories but honestly, I would just get the mouse, keyboard and monitor separately at literally any bestbuy or microcenter or whatever you have nearby. The soundcard actually isn't necessary unless your personal speaker system costs I'd say over $200-$250. Anything lower than that window and integrated will sound essentially the same as the soundcard. Also if you're just playing SC2, I would get a ATI 6970, it's not quite as fast as the crossfire, but it's easily powerful enough to max out the settings on a 1080p monitor | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Honestly, picking out the parts with a bit of assistance here and doing it that way would be the best option for someone not wanting to build it. http://www.ncixus.com/products/1172/Assembly Options/ Save a lot of money over ibuypower or Alienware. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On June 27 2011 12:46 JingleHell wrote: @Lmui, why wouldn't you just suggest ncixus with assembly over either boutique for him? Honestly, picking out the parts with a bit of assistance here and doing it that way would be the best option for someone not wanting to build it. I've actually only ever dealt with NCIX up here in canada, I didn't realize they had a US store o___O. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On June 27 2011 06:13 yourteam wrote: + Show Spoiler + hi, i saw in the stickies that this is the place for nobs to ask comp qs, so i bought an asus rog laptop and it was the suck, so now i am trying to move back to pc and to dell The price is:$2,058.00 with monitor Questions: 1 Will this run sc2 good? and by good i mean will it run on high settings, with high resolution with good framerates? 2 what matters more with gpus, memory or SLI/crossfire? Should i buy one gpu with large memory like 2 gb, or buy a crossfire 1gb each (im assuming ati because my nvidia was a fucking bitch to update the drivers for)? 3 any other suggestions you might have on how to change the build to make it better any comments about why dell/alienware/corporations are expensive are not helpful, i don't know jack about computers, or how to put them together, and even if i did i can't get them mailed to me piece by piece without the parts getting stolen, so unless you want to route me to a better corp just comment on this please if i did something ultra nobby here then i understand if i should be banned for stupidity, just thought i would ask here cuz there seems to be intelligent people and i feel like if i had asked b4 buying that asus i would have been told it was not meant for sc2 PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-2600 (8MB Cache) Overclocked Turbo Boost to 3.9GHz OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English CHASSIS COLOR Matte Stealth Black Chassis with 875W Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 6870 HARD DRIVE 2TB (2x 1TB) SATA II (3Gb/s) 7,200RPM (2x 32MB Cache) MONITOR 21.5” Alienware AW2210 OptX™ Full HD Gaming Monitor SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio WIRELESS & BLUETOOTH 802.11n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.1 EDR USB Combo Adapter OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BD-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW) My Software & Accessories ALIENFX AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue OS CUSTOMIZATION Alienhead 3D KEYBOARD Alienware Multi-Media Keyboard MOUSE Alienware Optical Mouse, MG100 My Accessories SERVICE PLAN 2 Year Basic Service Plan, DMLP ONLINE DATA BACKUP DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM Alienware Aurora-R3 Alienware Aurora Desktop COOLING OPTION Alienware™ High-Performance Liquid Cooling Adobe Reader Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader Edit: Forgot to ask: Is integrated audio useful or should i get the soundcard? I just realized that the American NCIX is gimped compared to the Canadian one, not too much in the way of stuff to pick from =/. I just put together some parts that were approximately the same from NCIXUS vs iBuyPower and iBP was about 10-12% more expensive overall, which isn't too much comparing a boutique to a parts store. SKUs from NCIX for easier time finding what I picked 57960 - i7 2600k (Could probably be reduced to a 2500k in all honesty) 45271 - Windows 7 home premium 57078 - 8gb 1600mhz RAM 7842 - Assembly fee 50327 - Coolit Eco (water cooling, I just picked a random one in all honesty) 57704 - One of the only in stock 6970s. A 6950 would probably work just as well at the same resolution 56022 - 1.5tb Western Digital Caviar black (I can't find the 2gb black for the life of me) 60680 - dvd drive 38107 - 750watt power supply (antec earthwatts) 59317 - asus motherboard ($175, I didn't bother looking beyond the top 10) The only parts I didn't include were a mouse, keyboard, monitor and case since those are all up to personal preference and the wifi bluetooth adapter since I couldn't find it on ncix. The parts I posted run up ~$1400 and with a bit of work could probably be shaved down to $1200. As above, a case, and accessories need to be added but it's still going to be cheaper than the alienware and pretty comparable regardless of whatever's done. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 27 2011 01:38 skyR wrote: OEM components such as DVD Drives and HDDs never come with cables or manuals. This applies to all retailers, not only Newegg. The motherboard should provide you SATA cables to hook up these components. Ah cool, but since I am getting a motherboard along with everything else it should come with cables for my 2 HD6870s right? (It is an SLI/Crossfire capable motherboard after all). Also, is there any particular case size I should be looking at if I want two 6870s to fit in without being too annoying? I'd think a normal mid tower would be fine, such as the Rosewill Challenger would be fine, or maybe get the Antec300 (after a new mail in rebate... current one expires today lol) since the 300 is an inch and a bit larger in 2 dimensions. But, if the Challenger should work fine I'd just go with that since I like the looks of it better  | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Any case is fine. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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yourteam
United States40 Posts
On June 27 2011 12:41 Lmui wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 06:13 yourteam wrote: + Show Spoiler + hi, i saw in the stickies that this is the place for nobs to ask comp qs, so i bought an asus rog laptop and it was the suck, so now i am trying to move back to pc and to dell The price is:$2,058.00 with monitor Questions: 1 Will this run sc2 good? and by good i mean will it run on high settings, with high resolution with good framerates? 2 what matters more with gpus, memory or SLI/crossfire? Should i buy one gpu with large memory like 2 gb, or buy a crossfire 1gb each (im assuming ati because my nvidia was a fucking bitch to update the drivers for)? 3 any other suggestions you might have on how to change the build to make it better any comments about why dell/alienware/corporations are expensive are not helpful, i don't know jack about computers, or how to put them together, and even if i did i can't get them mailed to me piece by piece without the parts getting stolen, so unless you want to route me to a better corp just comment on this please if i did something ultra nobby here then i understand if i should be banned for stupidity, just thought i would ask here cuz there seems to be intelligent people and i feel like if i had asked b4 buying that asus i would have been told it was not meant for sc2 PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-2600 (8MB Cache) Overclocked Turbo Boost to 3.9GHz OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English CHASSIS COLOR Matte Stealth Black Chassis with 875W Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply MEMORY 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz VIDEO CARD Dual 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 6870 HARD DRIVE 2TB (2x 1TB) SATA II (3Gb/s) 7,200RPM (2x 32MB Cache) MONITOR 21.5” Alienware AW2210 OptX™ Full HD Gaming Monitor SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio WIRELESS & BLUETOOTH 802.11n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.1 EDR USB Combo Adapter OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BD-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW) My Software & Accessories ALIENFX AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue OS CUSTOMIZATION Alienhead 3D KEYBOARD Alienware Multi-Media Keyboard MOUSE Alienware Optical Mouse, MG100 My Accessories SERVICE PLAN 2 Year Basic Service Plan, DMLP ONLINE DATA BACKUP DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM Alienware Aurora-R3 Alienware Aurora Desktop COOLING OPTION Alienware™ High-Performance Liquid Cooling Adobe Reader Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader Edit: Forgot to ask: Is integrated audio useful or should i get the soundcard? I honestly like this company better: ibuypower Edit: Just was informed that NCIX is in America lol www.ncixus.com They've been pretty well rated by various websites and they don't upcharge as much as alienware does What I did was link you to the configuration thing, you get to pick from a good variety of cases and accessories, just pick out essentially the same items as the alienware and you should get it for a good bit less. You don't get a lot of the alienware accessories but honestly, I would just get the mouse, keyboard and monitor separately at literally any bestbuy or microcenter or whatever you have nearby. The soundcard actually isn't necessary unless your personal speaker system costs I'd say over $200-$250. Anything lower than that window and integrated will sound essentially the same as the soundcard. Also if you're just playing SC2, I would get a ATI 6970, it's not quite as fast as the crossfire, but it's easily powerful enough to max out the settings on a 1080p monitor I have seen several ibuypower machines on newegg that look insanely good for the price, but i get scared off by reviews that are generally negative about their customer support, combined with people saying things like "computer arrived with such and such unplugged" if the hd is unplugged or anything is not functioning, then for me the machine is DOA, because i dont know how to do any of the plug in or anything else. Even from your ibuypower link, a lot of the accessories on there really went over my head, like PSU, motherboard, etc. edit: the mouse and keyboard are free. The monitor is baD? i can't tell with these things, off the top of my head it was like 220 or something additional, is that too much? my problem is transporting the monitor from a local bestbuy etc, since i dont have a car, and i dont want to carry it on pub transportation to bring home dead pixels, although i guess the chances of that are better than getting dead pixels from shipping it to my location On June 27 2011 12:46 JingleHell wrote: + Show Spoiler + @Lmui, why wouldn't you just suggest ncixus with assembly over either boutique for him? Honestly, picking out the parts with a bit of assistance here and doing it that way would be the best option for someone not wanting to build it. http://www.ncixus.com/products/1172/Assembly Options/ Save a lot of money over ibuypower or Alienware. What exactly does this mean? Like you buy the parts from them then they put it together? i just want to be clear i am not the biggest fan of alienware, i just want a good computer that works without complications so it can bypass my nobbyness | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
No experienc with any NZXT case. Their cases are ugly and offer nothing over its competitors. @yourteam Yes, that's what that means. You purchase all the components and pay them $50 to assemble, install, and test it for you. Plugging in stuff really isn't hard, everything fits only one way and you would have to use a hammer to make it go in the wrong way. If you can put together a lego set, you can put together a computer. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:10 skyR wrote: @EtherealDeath No experienc with any NZXT case. Their cases are ugly and offer nothing over its competitors. @yourteam Yes, that's what that means. You purchase all the components and pay them $50 to assemble, install, and test it for you. Plugging in stuff really isn't hard, everything fits only one way and you would have to use a hammer to make it go in the wrong way. If you can put together a lego set, you can put together a computer. We have different tastes  But nothing negative hopefully? In terms of performance and spacing, other than the apparently godawful 3.5 mounts. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:05 yourteam wrote: I have seen several ibuypower machines on newegg that look insanely good for the price, but i get scared off by reviews that are generally negative about their customer support, combined with people saying things like "computer arrived with such and such unplugged" if the hd is unplugged or anything is not functioning, then for me the machine is DOA, because i dont know how to do any of the plug in or anything else. Even from your ibuypower link, a lot of the accessories on there really went over my head, like PSU, motherboard, etc. What exactly does this mean? Like you buy the parts from them then they put it together? i just want to be clear i am not the biggest fan of alienware, i just want a good computer that works without complications so it can bypass my nobbyness Essentially, you pick out all the necessary parts for the computer to turn on and ncix will assemble it and once it arrives, all you have to do is plug in cables on the outside. (Only exception I know of is graphics cards, sometimes the larger/heavier ones will come with a note saying that they didn't install it due the danger of damage during shipping and they offer to coach you every step of the way through the installation which is actually really simple) If you choose to go with the assembly option you need: CPU(Processor) Motherboard(Make sure it's compatible with your CPU for intel usually socket 1155, AMD, it's AM3. An ATX sized motherboard is standard.) RAM(Usually DDR3, Generally you want 1600mhz RAM. Can also have a 12800 in the name, generally 9-9-9 timings are pretty standard) Power Supply (High end graphics cards have one 8 pin, one 6 pin slot. No matter what you'll have enough pins for everything else in your system, Get a 600 watt, it'll be enough unless you're going crazy with SLI/Crossfire and overclocking. Case(Get a ATX or larger case, just pick whatever you want that looks good) Hard Drive(Seagate/Western Digital are the main two companies, get a 7200rpm and whichever size you want) Optional: CD/DVD drive Heatsink - If you're not going to overclock I wouldn't get one, it's actually a waste of money Extra fans - Assuming you get a case that comes with one or two, you shouldn't need any. As long as you have the first 6 they'll assemble it for you, they'll also add any extras (heatsinks, dvd drives that you buy if you want them to. I'm just going with word of mouth on this though, I've always built my own systems. As for iBuyPower, I'm only recommending them since I see them recommended here on occasion. http://www.anandtech.com/tag/systems It's a tech website that I read on a regular basis, if you are willing to buy from iBuyPower, http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_E860 It's not a bad one to start. Changes: Case: (Pick whichever you think looks good) Change the video card to a AMD 6950(If you want something better open spoiler) + Show Spoiler + For a 6970 or better it'll say you need to upgrade the power supply. I would actually either get the standard or get the corsair power supplies. Anything else is potentially garbage Upsize the Hard Drive (optional) Get a Flash media reader/writer (optional but very convenient, if internal make sure it matches case colour lol) Don't worry about motherboards/PSUs, it actually doesn't make a huge difference if you're running it at stock. I'm going to assume you can filter through the accessories by yourself since they aren't too difficult to sift through. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:05 yourteam wrote: What exactly does this mean? Like you buy the parts from them then they put it together? i just want to be clear i am not the biggest fan of alienware, i just want a good computer that works without complications so it can bypass my nobbyness If you select parts and select the $50 assembly+testing option, they will ship it assembled (and tested, who would've thunk). If you don't want to build yourself, this is a decent option as the individual parts prices are okay. $50 is generally less than the markup you'd get elsewhere, and more importantly, you can select parts that better fit your needs. We can suggest exact parts to choose based on what you want to do with the computer and your priorities and budget. On June 27 2011 15:02 EtherealDeath wrote: Cool. You have any experience with the NZXT M59? I like how it looks (and the huge number of fan positions :D :D :D), though some people seem to think the hard drive mounts are a pain in the ass, not that I consider that a particularly important thing. NZXT M59 has the same internal layout as the Gamma and mostly the same as the Beta Evo. I haven't used one, but they seem to be fairly popular. They're good for having a bottom-mounted power supply layout with vents on the bottom, and cable routing holes in the motherboard tray, and being cheap. As you noted, there are lots of fan mount positions. The M59 has a side intake fan, which is generally a good idea if you want to run multiple graphics cards. I just wouldn't expect miracles, considering the price. If you like how it looks, then it's probably a decent choice. | ||
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ieatpasta
United States49 Posts
Intel Core i5 2500k ASUS P8P67 EVGA GTX 560 Ti and I don't have ram yet. I was waiting to see if my friend could get me a deal, but unfortunately can't Can you recommend to me some good ram for the motherboard? ~100$ | ||
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SleepTech
United States222 Posts
On June 27 2011 18:05 ieatpasta wrote: Ok update. I now bought the items you suggested Intel Core i5 2500k ASUS P8P67 EVGA GTX 560 Ti and I don't have ram yet. I was waiting to see if my friend could get me a deal, but unfortunately can't Can you recommend to me some good ram for the motherboard? ~100$What Skyr will tell you is, you only need 1333. There's not much to gain by using 1600 over 1333 so you can just look for 1333. So just go to newegg.com and look at memory. Find the RAM you want and buy it. Any 2x4gb 1333 set is under $100 (mostly). Just find the cheapest one and go with it. G.Skill has pretty good RAM for low prices. This product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220484&cm_sp=Cat_Memory-_-Daily_Deal-_-20-220-484 is 69.99 with a $20 mail in rebate So 8gb RAM for $49.99 and it's actually 1600 which isn't much faster then the 1333 so you could probably go lower. It's a deal for today only it looks like. | ||
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Nate.F
918 Posts
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ieatpasta
United States49 Posts
Patriot Memory 35$ after rebate Patriot G Series 'Sector 5' 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model PGV34G2000ELK http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220464&cm_re=patriot_ddr3_2000-_-20-220-464-_-Product Would it be better to get 4 sticks of this or 2 sticks of the one you recommended | ||
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SleepTech
United States222 Posts
On June 27 2011 19:27 ieatpasta wrote: The what about this one Patriot Memory 35$ after rebate Patriot G Series 'Sector 5' 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model PGV34G2000ELK http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220464&cm_re=patriot_ddr3_2000-_-20-220-464-_-Product Would it be better to get 4 sticks of this or 2 sticks of the one you recommended It doesn't matter. You don't really need 8gb of RAM unless you're into heavy photoshop editing and such. Just to run SCII, 4GB is more then enough so you could just get one of those and have 4GB. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396 Here's a G.Skill 2x2 (4GB) for $34.99 without having to mess with Rebates. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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