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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Information requested in the OP] + Budget: Max is probably gonna be 800-900 (a bit flexible but 800-900 would be best) Resolution: I really have no idea. The monitor i am looking at is 1920x1080. Use: Mostly gaming. Currently my laptop can't even run sc2 on low settings. I also played tons of different games. Just whatever i feel like. I play LoL and usually get 10-15 fps.. tonight i was getting 5 throughout the game. Also gonna be getting TF2 if i get a new comp. Just to give you an idea (lol i typed "idra" when i meant idea looool fanboy) of how bad my laptop is.. i can't even play games like Terraria and Minecraft without lagging to the point of being pissed off. Upgrade Cycle: Probably 1-2 years. Build time: Well i have the money i'm going to use right now. Assuming i can fit my budget i would be getting it when i had all the components outlined and was pretty sure it's all compatible (I'm kinda worried, i don't want to get something and it not work  )Overclocking: Ummmm I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Until i read the OP i wasn't even sure what this was. I've always heard it but never really cared to see about it. I might overclock a bit if i feel like it would help. No second gpu or anything funky. Buying parts from Newegg.com. What i've been looking at: I started to look at things earlier tonight. I'll post links to the stuff if you guys want to check out what i'm looking at right now. + Show Spoiler [List of current parts] + Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042 CPU (2 options): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849 Power Supply (2 options): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371026 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131647 Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824262011 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824262011 Current Estimation of costs: All these parts listed are around 600 (taking the lowest cost part for the ones with 2 options). I added 200 for a GPU and SSD/HDD, which is probably being modest. That would be 800 w/o rebates. Added 5-10 dollars for shipping on each item. You probably see i don't have a hard drive here. I looked at SSD and HDD's. The SSD's seem super expensive just for 128gb. I have a portable hard drive i just bought thats 500gb's. This brings me to a question, would it be ok to get a small SSD then just use my portable hard drive for most stuff? Or would you guys suggest a HDD? Pretty much going off your guys suggestions and my brother (who is gonna help me build it). I also do not have a GPU selected. I figure i would rather you guys suggest one. I'm open to any suggestions about any of the parts i linked. If you think there's a better one for cheaper or would that's more suitable for my needs at a lower price please link it! I still have to buy a keyboard with all this too. I currently use a laptop so i'm not upgrading anything, just building from the ground up. Hints why i need the monitor and keyboard. Thanks for any feedback. Engore | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Extremely poor choices of components. Most games utilize two cores and very few take advantage of quad cores. Having a hex core is quite useless. Intel processors lead in gaming performance and will continue to do so for quite some time as seen in several articles such as these two: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083 and http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300.html An Intel Core i5 2400 for $190 and a H61/H67 motherboard for around $50-$100 are much better choices. If you want to overclock than a Core i5 2500k for $220 and a P67/Z68 motherboard for $100 - $130. You mislinked your memory but you just want the least expensive 2x2GB or 2x4GB kit you are able to find. A configuration for your type of budget is never ever going to pull anywhere close to 750w yet alone 500w. A XFX Core Edition Pro 450w for $55 ($45 after mail in rebate) would easily power most reasonable configuration in this budget: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 For the HDD, you can just get a Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB for $45: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 If you need 1TB, you can get the Samsung Spinpoint 1TB for $65: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 For the graphics card, you can get the MSI Radeon HD6850 Cyclone for $170 ($150 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127576 So basically an entirely new overclockable configuration that is better would come to $695: Core i5 2500k & Gigabyte P67 UD3 Bundle @ $330 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660719 GSkill 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396 MSI Cyclone Radeon HD6850 @ $170 ($150 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127576 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 Antec Three Hundred @ $60 ($45 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042 XFX Core Edition Pro 450w @ $55 ($45 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 You didn't specify whether you need an operating system or not and you did not list a DVD burner/drive either. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
I wouldn't recommend using a portable hard drive, as transfer speeds over USB 2.0/3.0 are going to be much slower than SATA. You're probably best off going with a regular HDD. For your budget, you could do much better with an Intel build. Processor: i5-2300 Or, if you live near a Microcenter you could get an i5-2500k for $179.99 at their retail store. www.microcenter.com Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138308&cm_re=h67-_-13-138-308-_-Product If you plan on getting the i5-2500k from Microcenter and overclocking it, you will need either a Z68 or P67 motherboard as well as an aftermarket cooler. GPU: GTX 460 or HD 6850 HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073&cm_re=caviar_blue_500gb-_-22-136-073-_-Product RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231310&cm_re=g.skill_4gb-_-20-231-310-_-Product The 750W power supply you posted is way overkill; the 2nd one at 550W will be more than enough. A cheaper alternative ($10 savings after rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012&Tpk=XFX 450 That should be everything :D. edit: -_- skyR. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349 For gaming, I wouldn't worry about overclocking the CPU if you're ambivalent about it now. So instead of that CPU+motherboard, you could get this Core i5-2300 and Asus P8H67-M LX - $256 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660640 Here's an SSD. You could possibly just use an external drive for other storage as you mentioned. But maybe 64GB is not enough for all your programs? I guess it depends on how much you need. Crucial M4 64GB SSD - $115 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441 Here's a cheaper yet okay power supply for this configuration, though the other is a fine choice. Rosewill Green Series 430W - $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182202 | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On June 26 2011 22:59 EtherealDeath wrote: Randomish question - recall reading somewhere earlier than parts on Newegg come just as the part - no wires to connect them together. If this is so, where would I get said wires? I looked in the cables section on Newegg and saw no such things. you mean the dvd drives and hard drives? your motherboard should come with some sata cables | ||
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slmw
Finland233 Posts
I decided to raise my budget a bit, and added a 60GB SSD and a better GPU (GTX560 Ti) I already have a PSU, Case, HDDs and DVD drive, so I'm upgrading the missing parts. My current build: + Show Spoiler + Motherboard:Intel DH67CLB3 H67 LGA1155 ATX -- 96,90€ / $137,33 Processor:Intel Core i5 2500K 3,3 GHz LGA1155 -- 203,90€ / $288,97 RAM:Kingston Valueram 8GB (2x4Gt) 1333MHz DDR3 CL9 -- 62,90€ / $89,14 SSD:OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" SSD SATA III -- 132,90€ / $188,35 Graphics Card:Asus ENGTX560 DCII OC/2DI/1GD5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX560 1 GB -- 196,90€ / $279,05 Total: 693,50 € / $982,83 This combinatinon seems pretty good me, as it has cheap memory and an SSD. Should I change anything? Prices are from www.verkkokauppa.com (Finnish site) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 26 2011 22:59 EtherealDeath wrote: Randomish question - recall reading somewhere earlier than parts on Newegg come just as the part - no wires to connect them together. If this is so, where would I get said wires? I looked in the cables section on Newegg and saw no such things. OEM components such as DVD Drives and HDDs never come with cables or manuals. This applies to all retailers, not only Newegg. The motherboard should provide you SATA cables to hook up these components. On June 27 2011 00:48 slmw wrote: Thanks for the help guys! I decided to raise my budget a bit, and added a 60GB SSD and a better GPU (GTX560 Ti) I already have a PSU, Case, HDDs and DVD drive, so I'm upgrading the missing parts. My current build: + Show Spoiler + Motherboard:Intel DH67CLB3 H67 LGA1155 ATX -- 96,90€ / $137,33 Processor:Intel Core i5 2500K 3,3 GHz LGA1155 -- 203,90€ / $288,97 RAM:Kingston Valueram 8GB (2x4Gt) 1333MHz DDR3 CL9 -- 62,90€ / $89,14 SSD:OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" SSD SATA III -- 132,90€ / $188,35 Graphics Card:Asus ENGTX560 DCII OC/2DI/1GD5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX560 1 GB -- 196,90€ / $279,05 Total: 693,50 € / $982,83 This combinatinon seems pretty good me, as it has cheap memory and an SSD. Should I change anything? Prices are from www.verkkokauppa.com (Finnish site) Are you overclocking or not? You have a core i5 2500k which is meant for overclocking but you also have a H67 which is not capable of overclocking. If you want to overclock, you need a P67 or Z68 motherboard. If you are not overclocking, you can just get a core i5 2400 or core i5 2500 with no K suffix. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103911 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131619R I know this Mobo/CPU combo is compatible. But I need some more in depth help. I'll also be running an ATI Radeon 4850 HD, 4GB DDR2 RAM, a 650GB 7200RPM HDD and a 450W Power Supply (12V) Would this all be good and dandy? Everything in order? I'm most concerned about having enough Wattage to power this all. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 You get much better performance per dollar from Intel than you do with AMD: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-g850-g840-g620.html You don't need to worry about your power supply not supplying enough power for a processor upgrade. Both these processors most likely use a lot less power than whichever older processor you have. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:26 skyR wrote: Why not get a Intel Pentium G620 and H61 motherboard instead for roughly the same price? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 You get much better performance per dollar from Intel than you do with AMD: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-g850-g840-g620.html You don't need to worry about your power supply not supplying enough power for a processor upgrade. Both these processors most likely use a lot less power than whichever older processor you have. I'm using an intel Pentium E5200 2.5Ghz And why would I take a Dual Core at 2.6GHz over a Tri Core at 3.3Ghz...? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 04:19 Fruscainte wrote: Alright, need some quick help. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103911 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131619R I know this Mobo/CPU combo is compatible. But I need some more in depth help. I'll also be running an ATI Radeon 4850 HD, 4GB DDR2 RAM, a 650GB 7200RPM HDD and a 450W Power Supply (12V) Would this all be good and dandy? Everything in order? I'm most concerned about having enough Wattage to power this all. Are you planning on buying that motherboard and CPU? If you don't already have it, I highly recommend a Sandy Bridge Pentium instead, since that's faster for most tasks and also can be upgraded to something much better. Pentium G620 - $78 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399 AsRock H61M-VS - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 As for the power supply, you'll won't draw over 200W so you should be okay. However, even if a unit says 450W, it may not actually be able to do 200W safely. Many companies are pretty much selling units with labels that blatently lie about their capabilities. Do you have any more information about that power supply? Then again if it works for your current setup, it would work for an upgrade just as well. Both the motherboard you listed and the socket 1155 one (and any one compatible with modern CPUs) require DDR3 RAM. You say you have DDR2 RAM, which is not compatible. Here's RAM: G.Skill 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394 | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:30 Fruscainte wrote: I'm using an intel Pentium E5200 2.5Ghz And why would I take a Dual Core at 2.6GHz over a Tri Core at 3.3Ghz...? Because architecture > Cores/clock, and SB architecture is straight up faster. Anyways, most games are optimized for 2 cores, not 3 or 4, so the extra core won't matter. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:30 Myrmidon wrote: edit: slow -_- + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 04:19 Fruscainte wrote: Alright, need some quick help. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103911 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131619R I know this Mobo/CPU combo is compatible. But I need some more in depth help. I'll also be running an ATI Radeon 4850 HD, 4GB DDR2 RAM, a 650GB 7200RPM HDD and a 450W Power Supply (12V) Would this all be good and dandy? Everything in order? I'm most concerned about having enough Wattage to power this all. Are you planning on buying that motherboard and CPU? If you don't already have it, I highly recommend a Sandy Bridge Pentium instead, since that's faster for most tasks and also can be upgraded to something much better. Pentium G620 - $78 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399 AsRock H61M-VS - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 As for the power supply, you'll won't draw over 200W so you should be okay. However, even if a unit says 450W, it may not actually be able to do 200W safely. Many companies are pretty much selling units with labels that blatently lie about their capabilities. Do you have any more information about that power supply? Then again if it works for your current setup, it would work for an upgrade just as well. Both the motherboard you listed and the socket 1155 one (and any one compatible with modern CPUs) require DDR3 RAM. You say you have DDR2 RAM, which is not compatible. Here's RAM: G.Skill 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394 Wait, so I got to upgrade my RAM too? No matter what? I'd really rather prefer to hold that off. With that mobo listed, would I be able to run DDR2? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
All the motherboards listed so far is DDR3 only. And why would you not go with a Pentium G620 when it's better in every task than the Athlon? | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:35 skyR wrote: DDR2 and DDR3 are not interchangeable so yes you need to upgrade the memory. All the motherboards listed so far is DDR3 only. And why would you not go with a Pentium G620 when it's better in every task than the Athlon? Well fuck me Johnny. Alright. Can you possibly list me a cheaper Mobo for that G620? I'm really cutting it close to my price limit here. Possibly slightly cheaper RAM too? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:37 Fruscainte wrote: Well fuck me Johnny. Alright. Can you possibly list me a cheaper Mobo for that G620? I'm really cutting it close to my price limit here. That's the cheapest motherboard and close to about as cheap as you can get on the RAM. You're just going to have to save more. To be honest, there's not a huge huge difference between the Pentium E5200 and the processors we're looking at anyway. Maybe you should hold off upgrading until you can get something better than that. On a side note, I wouldn't call the G620 better than an Athlon II X3 all the time. The Athlon II X3 was even slightly better in a few games, though significantly worse in SC2. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 27 2011 04:42 Myrmidon wrote: That's the cheapest motherboard. You're just going to have to save more. To be honest, there's not a huge huge difference between the Pentium E5200 and the processors we're looking at anyway. Maybe you should save even more to be able to get something that's more of an upgrade. On a side note, I wouldn't call the G620 better than an Athlon II X3 all the time. The Athlon II X3 was even slightly better in a few games, though significantly worse in SC2. I'm using a 6 year old mobo and an E5200, I'd prefer to upgrade to anything at this point. But is the G620 really not that much of an upgrade? | ||
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