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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
June 24 2011 02:25 GMT
#7321
Did you play around with ram timings? Doesnt sound stable at all. You should be able to pass many hours of prime95
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 24 2011 02:30 GMT
#7322
yeah im in the process of doing that now, i bumped the ram up to 1000 mhz, which now makes the fsb:dram ration 4:5, and increased the voltage to i believe 1.275, but cpu id is showing coe voltage at 1.208. when i did prime95 again worker #2 hit the same error
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 24 2011 02:32 GMT
#7323
On June 24 2011 11:30 Kezzer wrote:
yeah im in the process of doing that now, i bumped the ram up to 1000 mhz, which now makes the fsb:dram ration 4:5, and increased the voltage to i believe 1.275, but cpu id is showing coe voltage at 1.208. when i did prime95 again worker #2 hit the same error


Stop trying to OC so much so fast. It can and should take days your first time around.
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 24 2011 02:34 GMT
#7324
yeah my mistake, i didn't meant to overclock this much, i was reading about a guy who suggested a good starting point was to do that. reading back on it now though, i notice he said to use an 8.5x multiplier. i cant find where to change the multiplier though :/
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 24 2011 02:41 GMT
#7325
On June 24 2011 11:34 Kezzer wrote:
yeah my mistake, i didn't meant to overclock this much, i was reading about a guy who suggested a good starting point was to do that. reading back on it now though, i notice he said to use an 8.5x multiplier. i cant find where to change the multiplier though :/


Instead of finding other people's settings that work with their different configurations of hardware, study the rhyme and reason, and work up, with short tests as you go to make sure you don't instantly BSOD, followed by a longer stability test when you reach the point you want.
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 24 2011 02:42 GMT
#7326
i bumped it down to 350, making it a 3.3GHz OC. It's passing the initial tests, though there is a strange ticking sound coming from my computer almost like something is caught in the fans but i have double checked each fan and they are all very clear
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 02:50:24
June 24 2011 02:48 GMT
#7327
On June 24 2011 11:42 Kezzer wrote:
i bumped it down to 350, making it a 3.3GHz OC. It's passing the initial tests, though there is a strange ticking sound coming from my computer almost like something is caught in the fans but i have double checked each fan and they are all very clear


Noises that sound mechanical and aren't coming from your PC are usually a sign you should stop whatever you're doing yesterday and figure out why it's a bad idea. Are you sure your motherboard is up for the task?
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 24 2011 04:12 GMT
#7328
On June 23 2011 22:12 ensign_lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 14:45 iTzAnglory wrote:
Could you please order the processors overall from greatest to lowest? (take price into consideration please, and no overclocking involved)

i5 2400, AMD Phenom II x4 975, AMD Phenom II x6 1100 T, Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600

I am on a budget as it has been months, I for the sake just cannot think of which one to get. The Q6600 is my current processor, do not take its price into consideration. Thanks!


Uh, I'm assuming this is for SC / gaming.

i5,
Phenom II X4,
Phenom II X6,
Core 2 Quad

the X6 is under the X4 because SC only uses 2 cores, so going from 4 cores to 6 doesn't help anything. and the X6 is more expensive than the X4

Thank you all, and I am trying to get into the computer industry as I am learning from this thread right now. What makes a processor good other than its locks for overclocking. People say the i5 2400 is better than the AMD Phenom II x4 975 when it is ahead by 0.5 gHz and a 2 MB cache difference.

What makes it that the Intel Processor is better, and how can you check this factor between processors? Is it the 2 MB cache that makes all the difference? Also what do people mean by better architecture for a processor? Is not it all about gHz and number of cores?
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firexfred
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States78 Posts
June 24 2011 04:14 GMT
#7329
So I might be buying a stolen computer soon. I say stolen computer because the price is ridiculous and thus is probly stolen. I wouldn't actually want it, because it is way overkill and poorly optimized at that, I would just end up selling it and buying a more reasonable rig. What do you guys think?

http://eugene.craigslist.org/sys/2458649374.html
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 04:20:44
June 24 2011 04:20 GMT
#7330
On June 24 2011 13:14 firexfred wrote:
So I might be buying a stolen computer soon. I say stolen computer because the price is ridiculous and thus is probly stolen. I wouldn't actually want it, because it is way overkill and poorly optimized at that, I would just end up selling it and buying a more reasonable rig. What do you guys think?

http://eugene.craigslist.org/sys/2458649374.html


holy shit lol

if hes actually selling it and not trying to take your money and bolt, i say go for it
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 24 2011 04:21 GMT
#7331
On June 24 2011 13:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 22:12 ensign_lee wrote:
On June 23 2011 14:45 iTzAnglory wrote:
Could you please order the processors overall from greatest to lowest? (take price into consideration please, and no overclocking involved)

i5 2400, AMD Phenom II x4 975, AMD Phenom II x6 1100 T, Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600

I am on a budget as it has been months, I for the sake just cannot think of which one to get. The Q6600 is my current processor, do not take its price into consideration. Thanks!


Uh, I'm assuming this is for SC / gaming.

i5,
Phenom II X4,
Phenom II X6,
Core 2 Quad

the X6 is under the X4 because SC only uses 2 cores, so going from 4 cores to 6 doesn't help anything. and the X6 is more expensive than the X4

Thank you all, and I am trying to get into the computer industry as I am learning from this thread right now. What makes a processor good other than its locks for overclocking. People say the i5 2400 is better than the AMD Phenom II x4 975 when it is ahead by 0.5 gHz and a 2 MB cache difference.

What makes it that the Intel Processor is better, and how can you check this factor between processors? Is it the 2 MB cache that makes all the difference? Also what do people mean by better architecture for a processor? Is not it all about gHz and number of cores?


Newer architecture, newer process, different instruction sets, higher instructions per clock, etc. There are a lot of factors. If you want to learn, go read anand or get a degree in a computer / engineering related field. Here's something to get you started: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3922/intels-sandy-bridge-architecture-exposed
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 24 2011 04:29 GMT
#7332
On June 24 2011 13:14 firexfred wrote:
So I might be buying a stolen computer soon. I say stolen computer because the price is ridiculous and thus is probly stolen. I wouldn't actually want it, because it is way overkill and poorly optimized at that, I would just end up selling it and buying a more reasonable rig. What do you guys think?

http://eugene.craigslist.org/sys/2458649374.html


Dude, I would buy that in a heartbeat if it was legit.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 24 2011 04:47 GMT
#7333
On June 24 2011 13:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 22:12 ensign_lee wrote:
On June 23 2011 14:45 iTzAnglory wrote:
Could you please order the processors overall from greatest to lowest? (take price into consideration please, and no overclocking involved)

i5 2400, AMD Phenom II x4 975, AMD Phenom II x6 1100 T, Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600

I am on a budget as it has been months, I for the sake just cannot think of which one to get. The Q6600 is my current processor, do not take its price into consideration. Thanks!


Uh, I'm assuming this is for SC / gaming.

i5,
Phenom II X4,
Phenom II X6,
Core 2 Quad

the X6 is under the X4 because SC only uses 2 cores, so going from 4 cores to 6 doesn't help anything. and the X6 is more expensive than the X4

Thank you all, and I am trying to get into the computer industry as I am learning from this thread right now. What makes a processor good other than its locks for overclocking. People say the i5 2400 is better than the AMD Phenom II x4 975 when it is ahead by 0.5 gHz and a 2 MB cache difference.

What makes it that the Intel Processor is better, and how can you check this factor between processors? Is it the 2 MB cache that makes all the difference? Also what do people mean by better architecture for a processor? Is not it all about gHz and number of cores?


Fundamentally, think of a processor as a complex digital logic circuit. You give it some inputs (data and instructions) and get some outputs. There are a lot of different logic circuit components arranged in clever ways, that handle the fetching of data and instructions, figuring out what to do with them, and executing them. By "architecture" people are talking about the layout of these components.

For the most part, the processors we're looking at can all work with the same data and instructions, and they will produce the same outputs. There are multiple ways to do pretty much anything in life, and some are faster than others. Even if you don't understand what's going on inside, hopefully it's apparent that the internal design will have something to do with how quickly a processor can complete commands.

On June 24 2011 13:29 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 13:14 firexfred wrote:
So I might be buying a stolen computer soon. I say stolen computer because the price is ridiculous and thus is probly stolen. I wouldn't actually want it, because it is way overkill and poorly optimized at that, I would just end up selling it and buying a more reasonable rig. What do you guys think?

http://eugene.craigslist.org/sys/2458649374.html


Dude, I would buy that in a heartbeat if it was legit.


Yeah that looks ridiculous. Surely if it was legit and the guy needed cash ASAP he could still find a sale really easy for a price of $1000 or something like that?
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 24 2011 05:58 GMT
#7334
the 590 is worth a lot on its own... You know what they say : if its too good to be true, its probably false... that or its stolen and he needs to get rid of it ASAP
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 24 2011 16:01 GMT
#7335
On June 24 2011 14:58 XenOmega wrote:
the 590 is worth a lot on its own... You know what they say : if its too good to be true, its probably false... that or its stolen and he needs to get rid of it ASAP


Or he's just going to mug you for $500.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 24 2011 16:02 GMT
#7336
On June 25 2011 01:01 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 14:58 XenOmega wrote:
the 590 is worth a lot on its own... You know what they say : if its too good to be true, its probably false... that or its stolen and he needs to get rid of it ASAP


Or he's just going to mug you for $500.


That sort of thing does actually happen a bit on Craigslist. Usually they go with hookers, but I guess branching out makes for a larger selection of victims.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#7337
For all those getting i7 2600K 's, on sale at Fry's for $35 cheaper than Newegg is selling, $279.99 :o. As part of the CPU/Mobo combo, if you buy any Intel processor (including this i7), you get a 20% discount on any MSI 1155 socket mobo, making savings quite good (I know nothing about mobos so I don't know their selection).
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
June 25 2011 00:18 GMT
#7338
On June 24 2011 11:15 Kezzer wrote:
so im running prime95 right now. worker #1(which i assume is core #1) is chugging along at 100% load 46 degrees. worker 2 however, after the first test immediatly hit a fatal error "rounding was .5, expected less than .4" "hardware failure detected. The first core is running fine though, why could this be?


Are you overclocked? Or stock? If you're overclcoked, bring it back to stock and see wha thappens.

If you're stock (or if you go back to stock and it still happens0), run memtest86. I had bad RAM and it would fail prime95 as well.
FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
June 25 2011 04:10 GMT
#7339
Hey TL, my roommate wants a new computer. He doesn't know anything about building systems but he said his budget is $700-$1000. He says he doesn't want to be the one lagging anymore in SC2, and he also wants to play Mass Effect 3 when it comes out. He's coming from a 3-year old MacBook Pro with no dedicated graphics so his standards are pretty low.

He needs a monitor and OS.

These were my thoughts, but what do you recommend?

GTX 550 Ti? ~ $125
Antec EarthWatts PSU 430W - $45
i5-2400 or i3? (don't really know what is good enough)
H67 Motherboard? ~ $85
------
Decent Case - $50
Memory 4 GB - $40
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB - $65
CD-DVD Burner - $20
------
OS - $100
LCD Monitor - $150

Total with an i5-2400 is ~ $950 after shipping and taxes

I feel like perhaps we could cut back and get an i3 if it does not bottleneck the 550ti. I kinda want to spend less money but I don't know any good places to cut back on.

thanks for the advice!
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 04:20:56
June 25 2011 04:20 GMT
#7340
An i3 will work fine but these days a quad core is ideally what you should get. If budget permits, you should get a i5 2400. A lot of games and applications these days have some form of support for quad cores.

If any of you have an .edu account, Windows 7 Professional is only $30.
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