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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 30 2011 16:29 GMT
#6061
Adding in a SSD is just like adding in a HDD. Extremely easy. Just secure it in the harddrive cage (or secure it through other means such as taping) and than plug in the SATA power and data cable. The not so fun part would be moving your Windows from your HDD to SSD (unless you don't want Windows on your SSD).
AaronJ
Profile Joined January 2011
United States90 Posts
May 30 2011 17:00 GMT
#6062
Finally I need this to last me four years so it has to be pretty future proof. (Although I could probably change 1 or 2 things if necessary.) So that is the other reason for me wanting a little overkill.
Violence is never an option, unless he started it.
dox_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States24 Posts
May 30 2011 17:11 GMT
#6063
pullin the trigger today... hopefully everything looks solid had to go for an SSD in the end!

CASE: Fractal R3
MOBO: ASUS P8P67 PRO R3
CPU COOLER: Noctua NH-U12P
CPU: i5-2500k
GPU: EVGA GTX 560 Ti
PSU: Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600
SSD: OCZ Vertez 2 120GB SATA II
DRIVE: ASUS Black 24X DVD Burner

Here's an image with prices... I got a combo deal for the RAM+CPU.... total comes out to $1201 (getting the free 2day shipping)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 30 2011 17:35 GMT
#6064
You'll save more by going with a processor + motherboard combo instead.

Intel Core 2500k & ASUS P8P67 Pro for $385: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.642515

Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz for $75 after promo code EMCKEHF23 (ends today)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345

Totals to $460 as opposed too what you currently have which totals to $477.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 22:49:33
May 30 2011 22:48 GMT
#6065
On May 31 2011 02:00 AaronJ wrote:
Finally I need this to last me four years so it has to be pretty future proof. (Although I could probably change 1 or 2 things if necessary.) So that is the other reason for me wanting a little overkill.


Like I said, you can pay more now, but it won't be future proof either. Those multi-GPU setups have more compatibility issues, more software/driver/profile tinkering required, more power consumption, more heat, and more noise, so it's not all good to spend extra. An i7-2600k is the same as a i5-2500k in most games while being just slightly better in a few, and it costs $100 more. You just can't pay extra today and get tomorrow's technology. You can only get top-end current parts, which are priced at a premium so they can get a much higher profit margin on uninformed buyers or the deep-pocketed enthusiasts.

A $1000 computer will max out games on 1920x1080 for a couple years. What you can do is save the money now and use it in the future to get future technology. (amazing huh.) Replace the video card whenever desired for something in the $250 range and continue maxing out most games for a couple more years.

Granted, with Blu-Ray and spending on an SSD and a few more premium options, the cost may be closer to $1250 than $1000. Definitely not $2000.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 23:01:01
May 30 2011 23:00 GMT
#6066
SLI isn't a future-proofing option. It's like putting your graphics card on life support, or it's a load of fun if you enjoy tinkering and tweaking things for nominal gains as much or more than playing the actual game. If you don't have a handful of benchmark utilities pinned to your taskbar, you don't want SLI.

Mind you, I use SLI, and that's probably the closest anyone here will come to supporting a Multi-GPU configuration.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
May 30 2011 23:02 GMT
#6067
Any i5 or higher should be future proof, as it is only 4 years tbh. A graphics card of 5770 or a GTX 460 should be fine, but if you really want it to be future proof I would recommend a 5870 or GTX 470 or 560 TI. Your current build is definitely future proof for four years.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 30 2011 23:10 GMT
#6068
On May 31 2011 08:02 iTzAnglory wrote:
Any i5 or higher should be future proof, as it is only 4 years tbh. A graphics card of 5770 or a GTX 460 should be fine, but if you really want it to be future proof I would recommend a 5870 or GTX 470 or 560 TI. Your current build is definitely future proof for four years.


A 460 isn't anybody's definition of future-proof, there's already games it can't max in high resolution. A 470 is a silly choice against a 560Ti, given the similar price point and performance with better thermal and acoustics on the 560.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 00:51:10
May 31 2011 00:49 GMT
#6069
I wish there was a thread we can just ask short tech support questions in, because this doesn't really fit this thread, but here goes.

My computer randomly craps out momentarily, usually between 5-10 times a day for a few seconds. What I mean by this is that my computer will sort of lag for 4-5 seconds. If I have music playing it will pause for those 4-5 seconds and then resume. If I double click a folder it will wait those 4-5 seconds before I'm in the new directory. If I'm loading a web page it will wait those 4-5 seconds before it continues to load.

I haven't had this happen with any games so far, it just seems to occur when I make a small command like pressing pause/play/forward/etc in a media player, double click a folder, load a page, etc, etc. It's almost like my processor stops for those 4-5 seconds. When it begins this short stall I can hear to computer working so to say. Perhaps it is the hard drive writing or my processor speeding up(can you even hear the speed the processor is working at?).

That has been happening for a couple months actually, I suppose shortly after I made this computer. I know everything is connected correctly as well.

I have 3 storage drives on my computer, 2 HDD and 1 SSD. My bigger HDD as well as my SSD are new along with most of the rest of my computer. The other HDD I have had for probably 4-5 years, which was the only HDD in my previous computer. Perhaps the sound I hear when this happens is my HDD? I'm guessing this because I only get the stall when I'm in the process of reading or writing something. I didn't think my older HDD was THAT old, but I suppose I have used it quite extensively. The only other thing, which I figure is less likely, is that my OC might be causing it? I didn't overclock my previous computer, and I don't remember having this problem in the first couple weeks of my new computer before I OC'd.

Does anyone have any ideas? Maybe I should make a new tech support thread for this? I'll post more info if needed.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 31 2011 00:53 GMT
#6070
What are your specs? Have you updated chipset drivers?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 01:02:04
May 31 2011 01:01 GMT
#6071
i7 2600k
ASUS P8P67 LE B3
16GB DDR3 1333MHz (I meant for 8, but there was a bit of a mixup >.>)
ATi Radeon HD 5770
Corsair TX750W
Hitachi OS00163 Deskstar 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache (new HDD)
No idea what my old HDD is
OCZ Vertex 2 50GB (Win 7 on here)

Haven't updated chipset drivers for CPU if that's what you mean. GPU drivers are updated.

OC'd to 4.2GHz
My GPU OC settings were posted a page or two back that you commented on.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 01:08:51
May 31 2011 01:08 GMT
#6072
The P8P67 LE is a pretty bad board so I won't be surprised if it's a motherboard problem. I had a similar issue with my ASUS P8P67 B2, the sound would just randomly become slowed-down / choppy for a few seconds. I didn't find out what the cause was before RMAing for B3.

I'd make sure that your chipset drivers are up to date: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/

Just wondering if this problem was present before you overclocked your processor? If not or you didn't have the chance to find out, I'd revert back to stock settings for now.

Are you using the Intel SATA ports (white & light blue)? If not, you should switch your harddrives over to them, the Marvell ports (dark blue) aren't that great unfortunately.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 31 2011 01:48 GMT
#6073
does anyone know of nz sites that sell parts cheaply? or a aus site or something that delevers parts to NZ, thinking of making me one.
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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
May 31 2011 02:16 GMT
#6074
Friend's GF wants me to help her build a computer for her basic use.

What CPU Should I be looking at? I was thinking the Sandy Bridge I3 and use the integrated GPU. Is this the best choice for basic uses while being capable of running certaing ames? She doesn't game a lot. But when she does, she plays RTS, nothing very demanding.

And for 150-200$ monitor, what should I get her? I was thinking to get her the Asus VH236h at 139$ after 20 mir

I'll be using NCIX again!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 31 2011 02:18 GMT
#6075
On May 31 2011 11:16 XenOmega wrote:
Friend's GF wants me to help her build a computer for her basic use.

What CPU Should I be looking at? I was thinking the Sandy Bridge I3 and use the integrated GPU. Is this the best choice for basic uses while being capable of running certaing ames? She doesn't game a lot. But when she does, she plays RTS, nothing very demanding.

And for 150-200$ monitor, what should I get her? I was thinking to get her the Asus VH236h at 139$ after 20 mir

I'll be using NCIX again!


Sandy bridge integrated graphics requires Z68 chipset, and won't run games well.

Probably better to get an i3 with H61 and a lower end GPU, GTS 450 or so maybe? Cost a slight bit more, but not too much, and will do much better.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 31 2011 02:24 GMT
#6076
@XenOmega

For a basic computer, you'll want to buy a Sandybridge Pentium for $74 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/235239/Intel/BX80623G620/ ): http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61144 along with any H61 motherboard of your choice. If you're getting a new monitor, I'm assuming the chances of it being 1920x1080 are 99% so you'll want a sub $100 graphics card to achieve smooth gameplay on low settings, maybe a Radeon 5670?
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
May 31 2011 02:34 GMT
#6077
Eh, but i thought all SB had integrated GPU?
Wont the integrated GPU support 1080 resolution?

She may also buy my used AMD 1055 + 890 gigabyte mobo. It'll probably cost her less than a new proc/mobo, even the low ones. Not sure what she wants to do yet.

NCIX also has NCIX Value Bundle Deal Intel Pentium E5700 Processor & Gigabyte G31M-ES2L LGA775 G31 Motherboard at 109$. How does this processor fare against the one you've linked?

NCIX also has NCIX Bundle Deal Intel Core i3 2100 Dual Core Processor & MSI H61M-P21 DDR3 Motherboard at 159$. That was the combo I was thinking of getting her.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 31 2011 02:38 GMT
#6078
On May 31 2011 11:34 XenOmega wrote:
Eh, but i thought all SB had integrated GPU?
Wont the integrated GPU support 1080 resolution?

She may also buy my used AMD 1055 + 890 gigabyte mobo. It'll probably cost her less than a new proc/mobo, even the low ones. Not sure what she wants to do yet.

NCIX also has NCIX Value Bundle Deal Intel Pentium E5700 Processor & Gigabyte G31M-ES2L LGA775 G31 Motherboard at 109$. How does this processor fare against the one you've linked?

NCIX also has NCIX Bundle Deal Intel Core i3 2100 Dual Core Processor & MSI H61M-P21 DDR3 Motherboard at 159$. That was the combo I was thinking of getting her.


The CPU can do it, but the other motherboard chipsets don't have support for the integrated graphics. If you can't plug a monitor in, it doesn't do a whole lot of good to have integrated capabilities on the chip.

The LGA 775 processor will basically go kersplat trying to compete with the SB pentium.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 31 2011 02:40 GMT
#6079
The difference between E5700 and the Sandybridge Pentium should be similar to what you see between a core i5 750 and core i5 2400. Pretty noticeable in layman's terms.

A Sandybridge Pentium for $74 along with an Asrock H61M-VS or equivalent for $60 would be a total of $134. The Core i3 2100 bundle for $159 is a pretty good deal though.

All Sandybridge processors have integrated graphics which requires a H61, H67, or Z68 motherboard to be used. The ones found on the lower end processors will definitely not be capable of smooth gameplay at 1080p, even on low settings.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 31 2011 02:43 GMT
#6080
On May 31 2011 11:40 skyR wrote:
The difference between E5700 and the Sandybridge Pentium should be similar to what you see between a core i5 750 and core i5 2400. Pretty noticeable in layman's terms.

A Sandybridge Pentium for $74 along with an Asrock H61M-VS or equivalent for $60 would be a total of $134. The Core i3 2100 bundle for $159 is a pretty good deal though.

All Sandybridge processors have integrated graphics which requires a H61, H67, or Z68 motherboard to be used. The ones found on the lower end processors will definitely not be capable of smooth gameplay at 1080p, even on low settings.


My bad, for some reason trying to not give the H6x boards credit where due.
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