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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 24 2011 03:42 GMT
#3761
Hey guys, so by now I have everything but the case and the OS. In preparation for building my computer either today or tomorrow, I was looking into stress testing software. I heard Furmark and Memtest86+ were good for the GPU/Memory respectively, and since I bought an MSI GPU it comes with Afterburner on a disc, so I was wondering what I could use to check up on my CPU and HDD to make sure everything is ok. I saw the OP but that says monitoring software, so I'm assuming they're different....any suggestions?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 03:46 GMT
#3762
You can stresstest your CPU with prime95 or linx. HDDs can be tested with CrystalDisk.

Monitoring software is just software that shows you temperatures, clocks, model, etc.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 24 2011 03:52 GMT
#3763
Read up on Prime95 and it seems really extreme...using it won't hurt my CPU at all right?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 03:54 GMT
#3764
No, it won't hurt the processor at all unless it was faulty to begin with. All stress tests are meant to be extreme.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 24 2011 03:56 GMT
#3765
Ok, and then if there's something messed up I can just RMA it?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 04:06 GMT
#3766
Yes, if it fails the tests at stock speeds than you need to RMA.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 24 2011 04:13 GMT
#3767
Ok, one last question....I've looked at recommended run times for Prime95 but they're all on overclocking sites or by people planning on folding/doing hardcore shit 24/7. Since I'm only gaming at a couple hours at a time and then light usage the rest of the time (word, internet, etc.), it should be shorter, but idk by how much. The memtest86+ i've gathered should be run for around 4-5 passes minimum. What about furmark? and all I've seen about Crystaldisk is use as a benchmarking tool...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 04:18 GMT
#3768
There's no stresstest for HDD, CrystalDisk is just used to test the speed of your HDD to make sure that its not slower than what it is suppose to be.

CPU and GPU stress tests on stock speeds should probably only be 30-60 mins long. It's just to see load temperatures and makes sure that the components are working properly.

Yes, memtest should be done for at least 4 passes. How long this will take depends on how much RAM you have. Best to run this overnight.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 04:22:47
March 24 2011 04:21 GMT
#3769
ok thanks so much for all the help...will let you guys know how it goes.
oh wait one more question...I have no idea what ideal temps under load should be lol
edit- i5 2400 and GTX 560 ti
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 04:25 GMT
#3770
Comfortable load temps for the CPU should be under 70c, you'll most likely going to be at around 40c-50c (dependant on ambient) with an aftermarket cooler or 60c with the stock heatsink. GPU load temps should be under 80c, you'll most likely be at 50-60c.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 24 2011 04:29 GMT
#3771
ok thanks again!
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
March 24 2011 09:43 GMT
#3772
What do you guys think about this for the price I paid? Do you think the fans/powersupply will have any issues with this bad boy or do you think everything is solid?





CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (Overclocked to 4.10GHz)

FAN: XtremeGear Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Dual Standard 120MM Fans (Push-Pull)

HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)

MEMORY: 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)

MOTHERBOARD: * [CrossFireX] GigaByte GA-P67A-UD3-B3 Intel P67 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI [B3 Stepping]

OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

PRICE: $1,271
<3 Moonbattles
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
March 24 2011 09:47 GMT
#3773
On March 23 2011 16:21 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 16:05 Stirbend wrote:
OK, so ive been looking at this card here

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390

and it has no specs on power consumption or a power pin connector. Does it not use one? Because pretty much every decent card i have looked at so far takes a 6-pin power connector and reqs. atleast a 450 watt power supply. Does it not use one or am i ignorant of something?

edit: came back from elsewhere before responding, so I got ninja'd...by 13 minutes!

Look at the pictures. Like other GTX 460, it takes two 6-pin PCI-E power connectors. It comes with a two-molex to PCI-E power connector adapter, so it can be readily used with many PSUs with only one PCI-E power connector. The minimum power supply recommendation is kind of a bogus recommendation anyway, since they have no idea of knowing what the rest of your setup is, how much power that draws, and if your PSU can do its rated wattage mostly on +12V and continuously at reasonable temperatures (many can't). The card itself should take something about 160W at full load by itself at the factory setting.

Are you worried about adding this card to an existing system with an existing PSU? What's the brand and model?


Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 14:20 .kv wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:19 Myrmidon wrote:
Here is a system that should meet those requirements easily, under budget too:

Core i5-2400 and Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - $390 ($370)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.620215

AsRock H61M motherboard - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

+ Show Spoiler [alternate motherboard] +
If you want something with more expansion card slots and RAM slots, try this instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130571


G.Skill 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

Samsung CD/DVD burner - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151192

XFX Core Edition 450W - $55 ($45)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Antec One Hundred - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129098


Did the price include the monitor? You could get an SSD to use as an OS/application drive and be in budget too.


yes I also need a monitor as well...SSD would be nice as well but not completely necessary

and thanks


It's maybe $100 more expensive than many TN panel alternatives, but the Dell UltraSharp U2311H should be a good all-around monitor. It's among the better non-TN panels for gaming. You may just want one of those TN panel alternatives though:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2311h.htm
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?&sku=320-9270 - $280

As for an SSD, how much capacity do you need? Around 60GB, the original SandForce controller (SF-1200) drives tend to be the best value.


SSD is probably going to be used for the OS and SC2 or just OS so not that big

It says that monitor has a 8ms response...that's not a good gaming monitor right? I thought we want to have like 2ms or less?
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
March 24 2011 10:26 GMT
#3774
On March 24 2011 18:43 Perseverance wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
What do you guys think about this for the price I paid? Do you think the fans/powersupply will have any issues with this bad boy or do you think everything is solid?





CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-2600K 3.40 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (Overclocked to 4.10GHz)

FAN: XtremeGear Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Dual Standard 120MM Fans (Push-Pull)

HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)

MEMORY: 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)

MOTHERBOARD: * [CrossFireX] GigaByte GA-P67A-UD3-B3 Intel P67 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI [B3 Stepping]

OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)

POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

PRICE: $1,271


Haven't heard of extreme gear, other than that it looks good. Using newegg.com prices your total system costs around $1055US without a case and not including the liquid cooling (which is probably $100+) sounds reasonable assuming you are buying this pre-assembled and overclocked.
mockturtle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States220 Posts
March 24 2011 15:46 GMT
#3775
Hi guys.

Looking to build a new computer. I already have a monitor, it's 1920x1200. Want to be able to stream in 720p (is that possible if I'm playing at 1920x1200?) on the pretty observer settings like GomTV. I'm not sure exactly how much power I need (re: graphics, processor, ram).

I do nothing on the computer besides SC2 that doesn't run fine on my several years old laptop. I would prefer the computer to be as quiet as possible though.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 24 2011 16:06 GMT
#3776
On March 24 2011 18:47 .kv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 16:21 Myrmidon wrote:
On March 23 2011 16:05 Stirbend wrote:
OK, so ive been looking at this card here

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390

and it has no specs on power consumption or a power pin connector. Does it not use one? Because pretty much every decent card i have looked at so far takes a 6-pin power connector and reqs. atleast a 450 watt power supply. Does it not use one or am i ignorant of something?

edit: came back from elsewhere before responding, so I got ninja'd...by 13 minutes!

Look at the pictures. Like other GTX 460, it takes two 6-pin PCI-E power connectors. It comes with a two-molex to PCI-E power connector adapter, so it can be readily used with many PSUs with only one PCI-E power connector. The minimum power supply recommendation is kind of a bogus recommendation anyway, since they have no idea of knowing what the rest of your setup is, how much power that draws, and if your PSU can do its rated wattage mostly on +12V and continuously at reasonable temperatures (many can't). The card itself should take something about 160W at full load by itself at the factory setting.

Are you worried about adding this card to an existing system with an existing PSU? What's the brand and model?


On March 23 2011 14:20 .kv wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:19 Myrmidon wrote:
Here is a system that should meet those requirements easily, under budget too:

Core i5-2400 and Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - $390 ($370)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.620215

AsRock H61M motherboard - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

+ Show Spoiler [alternate motherboard] +
If you want something with more expansion card slots and RAM slots, try this instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130571


G.Skill 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

Samsung CD/DVD burner - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151192

XFX Core Edition 450W - $55 ($45)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Antec One Hundred - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129098


Did the price include the monitor? You could get an SSD to use as an OS/application drive and be in budget too.


yes I also need a monitor as well...SSD would be nice as well but not completely necessary

and thanks


It's maybe $100 more expensive than many TN panel alternatives, but the Dell UltraSharp U2311H should be a good all-around monitor. It's among the better non-TN panels for gaming. You may just want one of those TN panel alternatives though:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2311h.htm
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?&sku=320-9270 - $280

As for an SSD, how much capacity do you need? Around 60GB, the original SandForce controller (SF-1200) drives tend to be the best value.


SSD is probably going to be used for the OS and SC2 or just OS so not that big

It says that monitor has a 8ms response...that's not a good gaming monitor right? I thought we want to have like 2ms or less?


Lower response time is better so you have less ghosting. Old LCDs had much worse than 8 ms, for reference. That's usually not as important as input lag--time between when the monitor gets a signal and when it is displayed on the screen. (You don't want to be playing off an image that represents the state of the game and where your mouse was 100 ms ago, for example, which is a realistic figure on some HDTVs.) This spec is never mentioned by manufacturers. The measured result of 10.6 ms is not bad and is better than almost every HDTV out there. I remember Evo 2009 (international fighting games tournament; thousands of attendees) was run on Asus VH236H, which have 2 ms GTG response time but around the same measured input lag. For RTS, I think those U2311H stats are more than acceptable. For high-level FPS, fighting games, etc., it's not ideal.

Like I said, most cheaper panels are TN and have lower response time, as well as much worse color accuracy and viewing angles, etc. Essentially, the picture quality is lower, which you may or may not care much about. They generally have low input lag as well, but that's not always the case. Some may have worse than that U2311H.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:21:39
March 24 2011 16:21 GMT
#3777
@Perseverance:

Standard 120mm watercooling kit is probably one of those Asetek designs that are used in those Corsair and Antec products, so that would cost maybe $80. It's way overkill for such a minimal overclock on a i7-2600k. By the way, you should check if they jacked up the voltage too high, left it on auto, or something like that. It depends on the exact CPU sample, but it probably doesn't need to be above 1.25V for that overclock. If it's above 1.3V, you should probably lower it, or better yet, overclock it to a reasonable 4.6 GHz or something like that. On liquid cooling, that should be pretty safe for long-term use.

If it's a gaming system, an i7-2600k is no better really than a i5-2500k, so you might say $100 was wasted there depending on how you look at it.

The way it's configured, the system is unlikely to draw over 350W at load. I wonder who's behind the mystery PSU, but it probably shouldn't matter since you're not running close to the advertised limit. Most everything but the worse junk can work properly at half capacity.


@mockturtle:

Yes you can stream at 720p. 1280x800 would probably be more natural though, or maybe 1152x720 letterboxed inside 1280x720 would work well if you need the 16 : 9 resolution.

What's your budget? You can build a quiet gaming computer, but how quiet you want it will determine the extra cost. $900 is probably a reasonable budget, as an estimate.
MontagneBleu
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada70 Posts
March 24 2011 18:13 GMT
#3778
HI, im looking for a good cpu to ran SC2 @ ultra whit 1920*1080 res. whit streamming. I wanna be able to O/C and upgrade GPU in sli in couple mounth.. I've found those piece that think will do that job well, but im confuse on those 2 MoBo The Asus's about 40$ more than MSI. Sould i put that ~40$ on cooling system right aways or the Asus MoBo better than MSI

MoBo

-MSI P67A-G45 (B3) P67 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E 2PCI SLI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3 Motherboard


-ASUS P8P67 ATX P67 LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI USB3.0 Sandy Bridge B3 Motherboard


SYSTEM

-Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB

-Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 SE Fermi 760MHZ 1GB 3.4GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E DX11 Video Card

-Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan

-Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM

-Corsair XMS3 TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB 2X2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9-24 240PIN Memory Kit

-Coolermaster Haf 922 Mid Tower ATX Case Black 5X5.25 5X3.5INT Front Audio USB eSATA No PSU

Tnx
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 18:58:45
March 24 2011 18:56 GMT
#3779
edit: oh whoops, Canada. I think the TruePower New is going on sale even cheaper in some stores there. Be sure to pricematch parts.

I don't think the regular P8P67 supports SLI, but the regular P8P67 shouldn't be that much more expensive. The Asus P8P67 Pro is what you would be looking for, but I don't see it listed. Anyway, the Asus product is probably a little better, but the MSI P67A-G45 should be okay.

Do you realize that's a GTX 460 SE? It's the gimped (partially disabled) version of the normal GTX 460.

Corsair TX750 is kind of outdated as well as overkill for SLI GTX 460. If you must stick with Corsair, go with the TX650 V2, but I would get the Antec TruePower New 650W instead, since it has better performance and is partially modular too. The TruePower New is comparable to the new TX V2 series but maybe a little better:

More than $40 for 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM seems high.

Other than those details, the overall idea of the build seems good. For overclocking a i5-2500k, it's maybe overkill to spend more than $30 or so on something like the CM Hyper 212 Plus, unless you're interested in performance overclocking for benchmarking and reaching around 5.0 GHz. (But in that case, maybe you'd want a more expensive motherboard with better voltage regulation circuitry.) I'd buy the aftermarket cooler now rather than later. Save yourself the trouble of mounting/unmounting the stock heatsink temporarily.
MontagneBleu
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 19:05:05
March 24 2011 19:04 GMT
#3780
Tnx for replie

- Corsair tx750, i know it little bit overkill but i got i at 89 $ at NCIX
- Got the RAM @ 40$ so it ok i guess

- Din't know for the GPU i got it at 175$, you think i can get a better whit that price range ??

And no, i won't OC it at 5.0 Ghz so, ill prob buy right away that CM Hyper 212 like you say save the trouble

tnx
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