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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 25 2013 03:03 GMT
#30041
I see, so a CPU upgrade wouldn't really help if I don't make the effort to overclock. I think my motherboard is http://www.msi.com/product/mb/H67MA-E35.html MSI H67MA-E35, looks like it does have some overclocking capabilities. I was always worried about overheating or something by overclocking but I think I would be down to try it now
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 04:55:18
May 25 2013 03:06 GMT
#30042
Just OCGenie really. You can't do much on a h67 board, for a big step up in performance you'd need a new one, preferably haswell because it's silly to buy a socket a week before it's successor is released

I also have to note there have been a lot of people recently complaining about smoothness with streaming ^.^
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 25 2013 03:39 GMT
#30043
Overclocking on H67 refers to the integrated GPU. Uh, you can also adjust BCLK a bit until stuff breaks. No CPU multiplier overclocking, so you'd really get nothing substantial out of it.

Wait a couple weeks and buy a i5-4670k or i7-4770k with a Z87 motherboard.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
May 25 2013 06:24 GMT
#30044
I need a new GPU. The fan on mine failed and now my computer shuts down after an hour or so because it gets too hot. It has to be a single pci slot and 460w PSU, and after looking around a Radeon HD 7750 seems like the best bang for my buck. I'm a complete newb to comp hardware, so is there anything else I need to worry about, or maybe a better suggestion?
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Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
May 25 2013 06:29 GMT
#30045
On May 25 2013 15:24 Myles wrote:
I need a new GPU. The fan on mine failed and now my computer shuts down after an hour or so because it gets too hot. It has to be a single pci slot and 460w PSU, and after looking around a Radeon HD 7750 seems like the best bang for my buck. I'm a complete newb to comp hardware, so is there anything else I need to worry about, or maybe a better suggestion?

Can you tell us the branding/line of the PSU or what your previous card was firstly?
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
May 25 2013 06:32 GMT
#30046
Sure, my previous card was a HD 6450 and the PSU is a Dell HD460AD-00. It's a bad stock computer that I bought a couple years ago. I considered just upgrading all together, but I don't really have the cash.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#30047
What games are you playing, what resolution are you using, what level of settings are you after, what is your budget?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#30048
7750 is a significant upgrade from a 6450 and is probably your best option. Just keep in mind that lots of 7750s are actually dual slots.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 06:51:53
May 25 2013 06:50 GMT
#30049
I currently play most games on low-mid setting on 1600x900. I'd like better, but I'm not expecting too much. My budget is about $100.

On May 25 2013 15:45 skyR wrote:
7750 is a significant upgrade from a 6450 and is probably your best option. Just keep in mind that lots of 7750s are actually dual slots.

Thanks. The specs I found only mentioned one slot, but I'll make sure and check the specific one I'm buying.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 25 2013 06:53 GMT
#30050
Shame about it having to be a single slot. I've still got a 5850 lying around for sale.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 25 2013 06:59 GMT
#30051
Hmm specifications typically don't list whether its dual or single slot. So when you say single slot, do you mean that the card can only allocate a single slot (like in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/uMST1Mr.jpg ) or do you mean something else like it only requiring one PCI-E x16 slot?

All the 7750s listed on Newegg are dual slot except for basically Powercolors, the overpriced XFX, and the passive Sapphire.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 25 2013 07:03 GMT
#30052
He's working with a Dell, so I'm pretty sure he means physically takes up one slot.
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 07:09:05
May 25 2013 07:07 GMT
#30053
I only have one slot on the motherboard. As far as the picture, my current one looks similar.

'PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard'
That's what I reading saying it only takes up one slot.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 25 2013 07:25 GMT
#30054
Well every card plugs into a single PCI-E x16 slot. When you refer to a video card as a single slot, it means that the size of the heatsink fits a single slot so it does not obstruct the adjacent slot.

Most Dells I know of don't limit you to single slot cards. It's either half height or length limited.

If you're not limited to single slot than there are better options than the 7750.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 07:40:10
May 25 2013 07:39 GMT
#30055
Yea TBH I don't know exactly what you mean, but I think it means I have plenty of space.

Here's a pic.
http://i.imgur.com/bWY8s5b.jpg
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 25 2013 07:56 GMT
#30056
Ya you have space for a dual slot card. The only thing concerning is the height of that heatsink. I think it should be okay.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 25 2013 09:40 GMT
#30057
On May 25 2013 16:39 Myles wrote:
Yea TBH I don't know exactly what you mean, but I think it means I have plenty of space.

Here's a pic.
http://i.imgur.com/bWY8s5b.jpg

The card itself only plugs into one slot. Many cards these days occupy two slots worth of width in order to allow for larger cooling units. There is really no difference beyond one physically being larger than the other -- they both plug in exactly the same.
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shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
May 25 2013 17:55 GMT
#30058
On May 25 2013 08:28 Myrmidon wrote:
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On May 25 2013 05:03 shtdisturbance wrote:
On May 25 2013 04:28 Cyro wrote:
On May 25 2013 04:24 shtdisturbance wrote:
My brother is using the family computer to play games such as dota. It is a little laggy and he would like to have a more smooth time playing but i was wondering what upgrade would make this possible? These are the parts:

Mobo: ASRock H61M-HVS Socket 1155 Intel H61 Chipset (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=048584)

CPU: Pentium G620

4 GB of RAM

There is only on board GPU so i was wondering what would be the best upgrade for $100-150?
Any store that ships to canada is good for me.



Maybe a 7750. If you don't have a GPU already and you didn't build it yourself it's more than likely the PSU is awful (both quality-wise and max wattage wise) so you'd have to replace it. What's screen resolution? 1920x1080 needs ~2.5x as much GPU strength for the same framerates on the same settings and uses more VRAM, memory bandwidth etc.


I built it a while back just for a family casual computer, i would imagine the PSU is fine? it is a Corsair CX430. The monitor is not very good, screen resolution is 1680x1050. What would boost the computer the most for playing games?
Thank you.

The integrated graphics sucks pretty bad. You needn't spend $100 to get a big improvement; more is probably wasted for say DOTA anyway. If some of the games are more demanding, HD 7770, GTX 650 Ti, and GTX 650 Ti Boost could be appropriate. Otherwise, you can grab say a cheap HD 6670 for around $60 and be doing worlds better:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=63154


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On May 25 2013 07:29 Ropid wrote:
The parts used and design of the hardware is overall the same. The differences are superficial. The UD3H for example has things like a power button for using it without a case. There's something about the UD3H using more copper (whatever that means, sounds suspiciously useless).

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Let's be careful and make something clear (you did earlier, but just in case):

There's a Z77-D3H, Z77X-D3H, and Z77X-UD3H. Seems like you're describing the Z77X-D3H; the X indicates SLI support, more or less. I think the Z77X-D3H and Z77-D3H have different VRM design and probably overclocking features, and so on; there are probably more difference between Z77-D3H and Z77X-D3H than there is between Z77X-D3H and Z77X-UD3H. If the difference is 200 sek, it's probably the Z77-D3H. That said, Z77-D3H is probably fine too.


(nevermind, checked Komplett and Z77X-D3H really is 200 SEK under Z77X-UD3H. There are some differences in ports and features though, other than the below.)

The UD3H has thicker copper layers. Thicker means higher cross-sectional area and thus lower resistance. With higher currents, you could get lower resistive losses, less heating up of the board itself, etc. More copper costs more money. It's a build quality thing, not really anything that much tangibly better for the consumer. But as you said... mostly useless.


He may want to play some more intensive games later on would there be something in between the HD 6670 and the GTX 650 ti/7770? I guess the main question is if the 6670 can handle much at all or is there something a bit more expensive worth the price?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 18:04:01
May 25 2013 18:02 GMT
#30059
Something in-between would be GT 640, HD 7750, and GTX 650. I don't recommend them as gaming cards if you want to run something substantial or are looking for price/performance. Step up to the HD 7770 / GTX 650 Ti.

But the HD 6670 is still an option. It should be able to run other games at mid-to-low settings depending on resolution.

edit: HD 6670 is something like half as good as the HD 7770. The others above usually just fall in at the wrong part of the price/performance curve, unless I'm way out of touch with current pricing.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
May 25 2013 18:38 GMT
#30060
On May 25 2013 15:32 Myles wrote:
Sure, my previous card was a HD 6450 and the PSU is a Dell HD460AD-00. It's a bad stock computer that I bought a couple years ago. I considered just upgrading all together, but I don't really have the cash.

Something I just noticed: your current card doesn't seem to require additional power connections (i.e. 6 or 8 pin power connections plugged into the top or rear of the card). Pretty much any new card you get will require them, but pre-builts have a tendency to use really cheap PSUs that might not even have them. Look into if you're going to need an adapter.
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