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Jinglehell is wrong as shit when he says the k2/assassin is a bad heatsink
I don't think he or anyone said that...? From what I can read, he's just been saying that its a good product but not that amazing for the price. And that its not the best cooler in the entire world. I don't think he's ever said that its a bad cooler though he might have in the walls of texts being slugs around for just about no reason.
does not determine the quality, or power of a fan... CFM, ie how much air it pushes, and static pressure to a lesser degree, and more specifically, CFM/dbA, is a better measurement of the quality of a fan. You can ramp up any piece of shit to a high RPM, and you can make any piece of shit push enough CFM, the question is the sound it makes at given CFM, or conversely, how much CFM it can push at a sound level. They all have different CFM/dbA profiles as well.
Obviously but no matter what, a 2000RPM fan is going perform better than a fan specifically designed for silent operation especially if its shoved onto a tower heatsink with tight fan spacing. Its just how it is, the Delta example is just meant to suggest than you can brute force anything to cool decently but it doesn't mean its a good solution.
A lot of benchmarks have wildly different results for the Hyper 212 Evo for both the 1600RPM and 2000RPM version, which suggest rather than bad benchmarks but the product is cheap and, as you perhaps suggested, doesn't exactly have the best manufacturing tolerances that the more expensive heatsinks have.
I still don't really know what's the problem. Maybe Frostytech isn't the best resource but I still not really seeing any real problems with their results especially with the Silver Arrow/Evo "problem".
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Hi there! I posted a help request quoted below:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 05:23 Daimai wrote:Budget: 7000SEK (around 1000$) Hello there. I am going to buy new computer, and I would like your opinions for a good build! What I want to do with it; - Stream and play SC2, Dota2 and other single player games (basically I want to futureproof it as much as possible aswell) on high graphics with no FPS drops. - Alttab between windows and games with no lag and a negligible loading time. - Be able to talk in skype, listen to music and have other shit running in the background while doing these things. My current build that I'm thinking of is here; http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/2628666/2012-12-02Site is in swedish but you can read the parts at least. What I am thinking about is a better CPU (people have told me CPU is good for streaming and SC2 needs a good one). Basically I'm looking for all sorts of tips and I hope you can help me!
Then a nice dude helped me out with some tips:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 07:00 MisterFred wrote:Your build is pretty good. But it's weak for streaming & SC2 (because of your processor). I went to the same website & tried to put together my own list using a 7870 for graphics card, but going to an i5-3570k overclockable configuration (ideal for streaming SC2), keeping the SSD and your same basic format. Unfortunately, I came up with a build that cost 8040 kroner. So that's a problem. The differences between the two builds basically boiled down to an extra 500 kroner for an aftermarket cooler & an extra 1000 kroner for the more expensive CPU. Not sure what to tell you. You can get the SSD later, not overclock for less kroner (no heatsink, cheap B75 motherboard instead of z77 motherboard, i5-3470 instead of i5-3570k), or get a cheaper graphics card (won't matter for SC2 & Dota2, but for shooter games/Total War series, that sort of thing, it will). But if you go with the configuration you have now (which is pretty good for what it is), you're not going to be able to stream SC2 well. Certainly not if you don't overclock the Phenom. Here's what I went up with. Note also that maybe you can save some kroner by comparison shopping with komplett.no? http://www.inet.se/produkt/5310020/intel-core-i5-3570k-3-4ghz-ivy-bridgehttp://www.inet.se/produkt/1902222/gigabyte-ga-z77m-d3h-matxhttp://www.inet.se/produkt/6909703/be-quiet-pure-power-l7-430w-80-bronzehttp://www.inet.se/produkt/6308779/thermalright-macho-120http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308830/crucial-8gb-2x4096mb-cl9-1600mhz-ballistix-sporthttp://www.inet.se/produkt/5409436/gigabyte-radeon-hd7870-2048mb-oc (I'm assuming this one comes with the same game coupons) http://www.inet.se/produkt/6911325/bitfenix-merc-alpha-svarthttp://www.inet.se/produkt/7104250/dvd-rw-samsung-24x-dl-svart-oemhttp://www.inet.se/produkt/4304280/1tb-western-digital-caviar-bluehttp://www.inet.se/produkt/4304406/ssd-120gb-intel-330-reseller-2-5Sorry I didn't see anything better/in budget. P.S. the i5-3570k is 170 kroner less at komplett.no & the same motherboard looks 120 kroner cheaper (not sure if both are taking taxes/shipping into account), so maybe you can chip away at costs.
So my dilemma is that I forgot to mention that I have a GTX 460 1MB in my old computer which I can take out and put in my new computer, cutting down on costs considerably, but is it worth it?
Would be nice if someone took the time and helped out! Thanks!
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Depends on the game you want to play. The GTX460 will Dota and SC2 pretty fine. Any other game, you're going to need a better GPU if you want to play games on high settings with DX11 at a resolution of 1920x1080.
It really depends on the exact game you want to play and what "high settings" means in other games.
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On December 09 2012 15:09 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 14:34 MisterFred wrote:
Cut the RAM. It will get in the way of the tower heatsink you should be buying (look for the Xigmatek Gaia on newegg). If you're not overclocking you have the wrong CPU & motherboard too. Get low profile RAM (& cheaper RAM: 1600mhz cas9 is more than fine). Cut the video card, get a better GPU. I recommend the Sapphire 7870 or 7950, depending on your budget. Cut the PSU, get a cheaper one. I recommend the Rosewill Capstone 450w. Seconded entirely. These instead, essentially identical for non-overclocking. Don't need a cpu heatsink though, the gpu will be way louder. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115233&Tpk=3570http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130653
I think it's worth mentioning as well that if you live near a microcenter (electronics store like Fry's or Best Buy, but way better), then you can probably save ~100$ on your CPU/Mobo and put it towards a better GPU or just pocket the money. They have really good deals generally on CPU's and they tend to give a -40 or -50$ discount on the motherboards as well. Figure out if you have one by just googling it or going to their website here and searching for a store near you in the dropdown "search your store's selection."
Sorry if somebody mentioned it, but I didn't see it yet.
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People sometimes freak out when you say a product is not good for the money.
Often because the first words they read are "not good" and then the brain completely shuts off after that. All the words matter folks. Read them.
Everything is cost relative.
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Hello TL friends!
I'm looking to build a custom PC for my little brother in law who is just getting into PC gaming. He'll want to play things like CoD, BF3, AC3, Far Cry, etc., so I want to build him a reasonably powerful system so he can play those like they *should* be played (60 fps).
TL Survey:
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?~800$ CAD What is your resolution?1920x1080 What are you using it for?Gaming. I suspect he might end up wanting to do some video capture, but probably not any streaming What is your upgrade cycle?I doubt he'll ever "upgrade", probably just rip and replace. But it needs to last ~3 years playing new games at good settings (but not the best, he's happy with an XB360 right now, remember). When do you plan on building it?For Christmas Do you plan on overclocking?No, that's OK  Do you need an Operating System?Yes (on that note, how are people feeling about Win8? Worth getting?) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Not really, a single GPU is likely overkill Where are you buying your parts from?I'm in Canada, so NCIX / Canada Computers would be preferable.
My current thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +Intel i3 2120 Dual Core Processor & ASUS P8H61-M LX Plus R2.0 Mobo: $160. ORIntel Core i5 3570K CPU & MSI Z77A-GD65 Mobo: $350. I feel this is probably overkill. From the little I've read the jump to i5 doesn't seem worth it for gaming ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5: $235. This seems like good value, with enough performance margin to last several years... right? I could upgrade to 670/680 or an equivalent ATI card if I use the i3 instead... Kingston KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX 2X4GB 1600MHz DDR3: $37. Damn, RAM is cheap again. Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive: $90. 1TB is like $10 cheaper, and more storage is always good. I don't think an SSD makes sense for him, he'll just end up installing games on the wrong drive... Thermaltake TR2 500W Power Supply: $39. This has a $20 rebate, which means you get a 500W PSU for $20, seems pretty OP ASUS DVD-E818A7T/BLK/B/GEN Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model: $18. Cheap & functional Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case: $55. I'll probably pick a different case, around $50-60 Windows 8 64-bit: $98 Total is ~$800 after tax (assuming i3). Of course, with the mail-in rebates, I get some back which makes room for a video card upgrade, IMO... (NCIX really should show the mail-in rebate total on the cart page)
I'd appreciate your guys' help just vetting this. Should I go i5? Can I stick with i3 and then maybe add $100 to the video card?
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On December 10 2012 04:12 NevilleS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello TL friends! I'm looking to build a custom PC for my little brother in law who is just getting into PC gaming. He'll want to play things like CoD, BF3, AC3, Far Cry, etc., so I want to build him a reasonably powerful system so he can play those like they *should* be played (60 fps). TL Survey: + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?~800$ CAD What is your resolution?1920x1080 What are you using it for?Gaming. I suspect he might end up wanting to do some video capture, but probably not any streaming What is your upgrade cycle?I doubt he'll ever "upgrade", probably just rip and replace. But it needs to last ~3 years playing new games at good settings (but not the best, he's happy with an XB360 right now, remember). When do you plan on building it?For Christmas Do you plan on overclocking?No, that's OK Do you need an Operating System?Yes (on that note, how are people feeling about Win8? Worth getting?) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Not really, a single GPU is likely overkill Where are you buying your parts from?I'm in Canada, so NCIX / Canada Computers would be preferable. My current thoughts: + Show Spoiler +Intel i3 2120 Dual Core Processor & ASUS P8H61-M LX Plus R2.0 Mobo: $160. ORIntel Core i5 3570K CPU & MSI Z77A-GD65 Mobo: $350. I feel this is probably overkill. From the little I've read the jump to i5 doesn't seem worth it for gaming ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5: $235. This seems like good value, with enough performance margin to last several years... right? I could upgrade to 670/680 or an equivalent ATI card if I use the i3 instead... Kingston KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX 2X4GB 1600MHz DDR3: $37. Damn, RAM is cheap again. Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive: $90. 1TB is like $10 cheaper, and more storage is always good. I don't think an SSD makes sense for him, he'll just end up installing games on the wrong drive... Thermaltake TR2 500W Power Supply: $39. This has a $20 rebate, which means you get a 500W PSU for $20, seems pretty OP ASUS DVD-E818A7T/BLK/B/GEN Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model: $18. Cheap & functional Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case: $55. I'll probably pick a different case, around $50-60 Windows 8 64-bit: $98 Total is ~$800 after tax (assuming i3). Of course, with the mail-in rebates, I get some back which makes room for a video card upgrade, IMO... (NCIX really should show the mail-in rebate total on the cart page) I'd appreciate your guys' help just vetting this. Should I go i5? Can I stick with i3 and then maybe add $100 to the video card?
I bet you would buy something with the name Diablotech on it too. Seriously trying for the cheapest PSU you can is like telling your components that you want them to explode. Also that i3 bundle is horrendous. H61 Chipsets only have SATA 3GB, USB2.0 and PCI-E2.0, AKA last gen stuff. There IS a performance difference going from i3 to i5, albeit only a handful of FPS on some games.
The PSU you choose is only rated for 35A between its two 12v rails. Which means it's only a ~400w PSU. Buying any PSU that is rated above what it's 12v rail(s) can output is stupid because if they are willing to false adverstise their PSU what else are they willing to do? Also it only has an efficiency of 72%, which is terrible as for every 100w pulled from the outlet only 72w is useable for the computer, so 28w is transformed into heat.
Kingston RAM is bad. Basically all of it is overvolted cheap ram.
A HD7870 Costs around what a GTX 660 does however the 7870 is a lot stonger.
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Oh hot damn, Diablotech sounds fierce. Where do I get that?
Anyways, thanks, I had no idea the Thermaltake name had fallen so far. I'll stick to the stuff I used for my PC (Corsair) and look around for a better mobo for an i3. Just looking for initial guidance because this stuff changes so frequently.
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On December 10 2012 04:47 NevilleS wrote:
Oh hot damn, Diablotech sounds fierce. Where do I get that?
Anyways, thanks, I had no idea the Thermaltake name had fallen so far. I'll stick to the stuff I used for my PC (Corsair) and look around for a better mobo for an i3. Just looking for initial guidance because this stuff changes so frequently.
Get an i3-3220 and H77 or B75 Motherboard. They all have USB3.0, SATA3, PCI-E3.0.
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Thanks a lot guys. Your suggestions look really good, I'll put a full cart together now and see where I'm at...
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Actually, if your brother is going to do multi-player gaming, particularly the larger BF3 maps, you might look into a locked i5 (i5-3450, 3470, something like that) + a cheap B75 or H77 mobo. Depends on if you'd have to downgrade the graphics card to afford it though. If yes, you should probably stick with the i3 Snypah mentioned + the better GPU.
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Hey guys!
I'm trying to build my own custom PC and would like to know what u think about it and what parts i should maybe exchange.
I will use this PC mostly for gaming (sc2,d3,cabal,..), some video editing and regular office work. I usually multitask a lot so my PC should be able to handle that without too much trouble. Also i'm normally kinda lazy with upgrading any parts so it's important to me that this setup will do a good job for the next 2 years. I don't plan to do any overclocking or need an operating system. I currently use a resolution of 1920x1080 and my budget for this will be about 800€. Since i'm living in Austria i should be able to buy the parts in either Austria or Germany.
This is what i chose so far:
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Also i probably gonna get a new monitor + keyboard (not included in the 800€).
Thought of:
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I would appreciate some feedback from you guys.
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I don't know if you know somebody in college or if you are, (and I don't know if Canadian universities do the same thing) but most schools in US sell Windows for like 15$, if you want to look into that.
Edit: Yes the RAM will work, although I believe you could just as easily get this if you wanted to save like 5 bucks.
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www.pc-experience.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=32951
This is probably the best and most extensive review site for cpu coolers ive found. It might not have the highest number of different coolers, but the testing is very extensive with lots of details. And tests passive, stock settings and same fan for all + 2. I thought perhaps some of you dont know it since german. And as argued, Silver Arrow, K2, D-14 and HR-02 are all about equally strong. Like I said earlier though, Everest will be released soon to decimate everything.
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The biggest deal is the mITX board. Did you see how small it is? Compared to mATX, you have higher cost and less features. There's not much motivation to get one if you're using a case that supports mATX (and the ones you're looking at further support ATX).
For example, MSI has something for $35 less:
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=75732&promoid=1360
Aside from that and the other things already pointed out, that should be good to go.
On December 10 2012 05:50 Anaurelia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys! I'm trying to build my own custom PC and would like to know what u think about it and what parts i should maybe exchange. I will use this PC mostly for gaming (sc2,d3,cabal,..), some video editing and regular office work. I usually multitask a lot so my PC should be able to handle that without too much trouble. Also i'm normally kinda lazy with upgrading any parts so it's important to me that this setup will do a good job for the next 2 years. I don't plan to do any overclocking or need an operating system. I currently use a resolution of 1920x1080 and my budget for this will be about 800€. Since i'm living in Austria i should be able to buy the parts in either Austria or Germany. This is what i chose so far: + Show Spoiler +Also i probably gonna get a new monitor + keyboard (not included in the 800€). Thought of: + Show Spoiler +I would appreciate some feedback from you guys.
I would suggest 120 or 128GB on the SSD (Samsung 830, Samsung 830, Intel 330, Intel 335, Crucial M4, etc.), rather than regretting it later. You don't need an aftermarket cooler for the i5-3470. (If you really cared about noise, I would suggest a different case and other parts too.) Be Quiet! System Power S7 is not really good for the price; I'd take Super Flower Amazon 450W or Super Flower Golden Green 450W instead. You can save a bit of money with another motherboard, maybe B75, if you want. There are some other cases in that price range like Corsair Carbide 200R and BitFenix Shinobi that may be of interest too.
For a keyboard, you really have to use it to know. That one uses Cherry MX Black switches (higher activation force, linear)? Some like them, some don't.
Same for the monitor, but generally we don't recommend 27" 1080p TN monitors. How far do you sit from the monitor? At the large size, pixel density is somewhat low, and the top of the monitor will look significantly different from the bottom because of TN color shifting. If those things don't bother you and/or for some reason you need a large monitor to see stuff because it must be positioned far away, just be aware and go ahead. Otherwise, you may want to reconsider.
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+ Show Spoiler +Windows 8 Pro for 39.99 in case people need OS'. It's technically U.S. I guess, but I imagine other places (long as English is fine) should work because it's an online download? (If so, NevilleS this would probably save you money)
Edit: I lied. It's an upgrade >.<
To weigh in on Mech keyboards, personally I use browns. I used to have blues, and loved them for typing, but switched out to browns to have a bit better of a gaming experience (subjective, but I like them more) and now I vastly prefer browns.
The -general- consensus is that if you do a lot of typing, a linear switch (red, black) is worse than browns or blues. Blues are considered the best for typing, while browns are a "compromise." Obviously each person's individual preference matters (I have a friend who loves blacks, and I hate them), but that is probably what the average person will find. IF you can try a keyboard out in like Best Buy or Fry's, that would be best. (Double edit: You're in germany, so if there's a german best buy equivalent, try that).
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Yes it would fit in your build, everything is compatible and you won't need to change anything else
you wouldn't be able to crossfire though with this board, but i don't imagine you were planing on it
edit : actually, you could still cx 7850 with that board later on... even though it wouldn't be optimum utilisation
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