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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
December 18 2010 01:52 GMT
#2541
On December 18 2010 10:36 Captain Peabody wrote:
Okay guys, I've been working on my PC a bit, and I've put together a rough initial list of parts. This being my first time building a computer, I'm open to any and all critiques/comments. Especially it would be nice to know about any critical incompatabilities/errors that I've missed.

Processor: AMD Athlon X4 635 Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103702
Price: $99

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128451&cm_re=AMD_chipset-_-13-128-451-_-Product
Price: $80

OR

Motherboard: Asus AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651
Price: $100

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490&cm_re=HD_5770-_-14-127-490-_-Product
Price: $150

PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA750W Continuous Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371026
Price: $99

Case: Cooler Master Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215
Price: $70

RAM: 4GB Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303
Price: $70

Cooler: Sunbeam CR-CCTF 12mm CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004
Price: $40

Total: ~$608-$630

So...whaddaya think?


Mm, your PSU is a little overkill, you can get away with a 450-500 W power supply, especially if you never plan on running SLI. If you want to upgrade in the future to something that uses 2 pci-e power plugs, get a 550 or 600 W MAX
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 01:57:14
December 18 2010 01:54 GMT
#2542
@Captain Peabody: Do you need a hard disk or optical drive? If you've got old ones you're planning on reusing, you might as well check if they use a SATA or PATA (IDE -- the long flat ribbon cable) interface. It's not a problem either way, just good to know.

I think you can get better deals than that, with newegg combos and some sales most likely. $150 for a HD 5770 and $70 for 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM sound a little bit too high. But overall it looks fine. Since you're getting an aftermarket CPU cooler, are you planning on overclocking? The retail boxed CPUs come with a stock cooler, in case you didn't know. (And for $40, I think there are probably plenty better options than that Sunbeam unit anyway.)

Earthwatts EA750 is a good PSU, but with a stock Athlon II X4 and HD 5770, your system would use something under 300W at max load, with idle and gaming power draws under that. You could get by with a good 400W unit like this easily. Unless you're planning on multi-GPU setups or running top-end hardware in the future, above 500W is pretty much a waste.

@Remedy01: What programs and other hardware are you running that would benefit from a LGA 1366 system, anyway? Just checking, but hyperthreading for quad cores for most users isn't really needed, and you don't really need LGA 1366's interface bandwidth unless you're running 3+ GPUs or are running some specialized software that really needs the memory bandwidth. Most users can get the same performance out of a cheaper i5-7xx and LGA 1156 system.

And, like people have been bringing up, Intel's new line of CPUs is coming out January 9th or so. They will be incompatible with current motherboards and higher performing than the i7-950.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 18 2010 03:23 GMT
#2543
So my giga GTX 460 1gb stopped working about a week after I installed it. Apparently I wasn't alone with this problem. I really liked the card. Do you guys think it'd be safe to get the same card but just from a different manufacturer? I was looking at this.
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
December 18 2010 03:29 GMT
#2544
I want to be able to stream SC2 with medium+ quality, here's my current build:
Intel Core2Duo 6420 (2.13Ghz)
2GB ram
GeForce 8800 GTS

What should I upgrade for the purposes of streaming medium+ SC2?
i c u
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 18 2010 04:00 GMT
#2545
I would avoid upgrading the computer, because you'd be hard pressed to find a good CPU for it at a decent price and the DDR2 RAM won't be reusable. If however, you really do want to upgrade, I'd get a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9xxx (if your motherboard supports it) and another 2GB of RAM. Alternatively, you can just get an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 if you can find those around still (though I'm not sure your motherboard will be compatible with the new CPUs).
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 04:58:18
December 18 2010 04:51 GMT
#2546
On December 18 2010 12:23 LambtrOn wrote:
So my giga GTX 460 1gb stopped working about a week after I installed it. Apparently I wasn't alone with this problem. I really liked the card. Do you guys think it'd be safe to get the same card but just from a different manufacturer? I was looking at this.


You're getting some kind of RMA, return, refund, or whatever for the dead card, right? The MSI Cyclone seems to be a popular model because it's relatively quiet and cools well. Do note that it seems a little overpriced, and it exhausts all the heat inside the case, so your case better have decent cooling.

Another option would be EVGA, which is usually pretty solid: 2 year and lifetime warranty (upon registration) models, respectively. Those are probably a little louder, but they exhaust heat out of the case.


edit: likewise, I'm not a fan of upgrading Core 2 Duo systems and pumping more money into DDR2 RAM. For streaming while playing, you probably want a quad core. The price of a Q6600 (or whatever) and 2 more GB of DDR2 RAM is too high. You might as well upgrade the motherboard and get a new CPU and all new DDR3 RAM. With new processors coming January 9th, you might consider waiting until then, or not upgrading at all.

Your 8800 GTS is still okay though.
Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
December 18 2010 05:05 GMT
#2547
Hello. I am in the market for building my own computer. I am a noob at computer building so please give me some pointers ^_^. Anyways, I have two questions with this build:

1. Is it really worth it to get the i7? The other cpu i was looking at was the phenom x6 1055t, and that's pretty good too. But i don't know if upgrading to the i7 is worth the extra $100.

2. Is my graphics card overkill? All I know is that I want to be able to play sc2 maxed out with no graphics lag and I also want to be able to play skyrim when it comes out next year.

Here is my build:


Video Card - $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506

Processor + Motherboard Combo - $389
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.570272

Memory - $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231180

Power Supply - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Hard Drive - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136020

Computer Case - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062&cm_re=tempest-_-11-146-062-_-Product

CD Drive - $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Wireless PCI - $18
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WMP54G-Wireless-Adapter-Refurbished/dp/B0034HIB0W/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1292633383&sr=8-7

Total = $962


skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 18 2010 05:10 GMT
#2548
@Xanbatou

You have an i7... is it worth it for just gaming? No.

Your graphics card isn't overkill by any margin.

Why did you pick an external drive? Do you already have an internal drive?

I think you should wait three more weeks and get Sandybridge.
Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
December 18 2010 05:16 GMT
#2549
Ok so I won't get an i7.

And that's very strange, that's not the hard drive I chose.

And what is sandybridge?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 05:25:23
December 18 2010 05:23 GMT
#2550
On December 18 2010 14:16 Xanbatou wrote:
Ok so I won't get an i7.

And that's very strange, that's not the hard drive I chose.

And what is sandybridge?


Sandybridge is Intel's next generation processors that are going to be announced on January 5th with retail availability expected on January 9th.

Current Intel processors are on 45nm process, these new ones will be on 32nm process so less power and less heat. They're going to have better performance clock for clock.

And they'll going to be releasing at the same price points as the current 1156 lineup ($100 - $300).

edit: oh they also have integrated graphics so it'd make troubleshooting somewhat easier.
Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
December 18 2010 05:44 GMT
#2551
Ah. So I am looking here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)

And it seems like the core i5-2400 or 2400s is what I'd want. What is the difference between the two and is it really that much better than the phenom x6 1055t?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 18 2010 05:55 GMT
#2552
On December 18 2010 14:44 Xanbatou wrote:
Ah. So I am looking here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)

And it seems like the core i5-2400 or 2400s is what I'd want. What is the difference between the two and is it really that much better than the phenom x6 1055t?


Look at anandtech's performance preview:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row/11

Take it for what its worth and decide for yourself. I've been waiting for Sandybridge for my new build, going to get an 2500k.

S parts are "green" processors (uses less power). They're going to be priced at a premium even though their base clock is lower. All the letter suffixes are explained in anandtech's article.
Sid(TB)
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States314 Posts
December 18 2010 06:10 GMT
#2553
alright so after many months of wanting to upgrade my computer to stream sc2, ive settled on that i need a new processor

amd phenom II 955 BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=955-_-19-103-808-_-Product

new mother board for it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402&Tpk=N82E16813131402

and finnaly new ram for the mother board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231276

the MB supports everything i think, including my HD, current graphics card (geforce 8800 gtx) and my power supply (750 watt)

what i'd love to ask is, is the 955 still the best processor for my budget of about 400$? im only spending about 320 atm, so a better processor would be viable, i wanna keep the MB cheap unless MB upgrades make a difference? i don't know a whole lot, although it uses a 770x bridge thing, which means i can only use 1 graphics card, but thats all i ever plan to use anyways, seems good besides that.

also on a side note, i currently use liquid cooling but i have 1 fan in the case, +1 fan not being used at the front (other is in back) + power supply has its own fan, so does my graphics card, and cpu comes with one, do i need anything else for cooling? also would getting some nice fans be a good thing to get? im always worried about over heating as i never really shut my computer off, sometimes for weeks at a time besides restarts but instantly turn it back on. have had no hardware issues with liquid cooling for almost 2 years now. thanks in advance!
rEAdY tO bE iNfEcTeD?
killself
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia11 Posts
December 18 2010 09:34 GMT
#2554
Hey guys, if im wanting to stream in the best quality possible am i better going with a Phenom II X6 1055T and overclocking or should i just stick with my original planning of getting the Phenom II X4 955?

The price between the two isn't great so i could get either one.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3136 Posts
December 18 2010 22:36 GMT
#2555
Thanks for the comments, guys, this is exactly the kind of stuff I need to be hearing. So just out of curiosity, what would you say is the best value I could get for a GPU in the around $100-200 dollar range?

And no, I'm not planning overclocking...didn't know that the CPUs came with a cooler though, that's good to know. Should save me some money for sure. And I'll definitely go with the 400W PSU if that's all I'll need.
I'm also planning on getting a HDD, just forgot to include it. From what I can see, I think I'll just pick up one of the cheaper 500-640 gig hard drives. Definitely don't need any more than that.

Thanks again for the help. I'm going to start ordering the parts probably this coming week.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
December 19 2010 10:36 GMT
#2556
I am planning on building a computer as my "christmas present." I have never done this before.. and while I'll have
some help from a friend that is experienced, I decided it's time to figure out and get an idea of what I need/what I want, so was hoping you guys could help me out.

What is your budget?

1500$.

I am not absolutely sure about how much I'll have yet, but I'll be able to get 1500.. and don't really feel like spending too much over that anyways.

What is your resolution?

I have a viewsonic 22' I am using as monitor has a native resolution of 1680x1050, I am thinking of getting an additional monitor eventually though.


What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming. I want to be able to play games and have them look good, keeping a good fps. I will also be watching lots of movies on it, I don't plan on streaming, but having the option would be nice.

What is your upgrade cycle?

I don't want to upgrade in the next 2 years unless I really need too, but I would like this computer to last me awhile, and I plan on upgrading when needed, especially if there is a game I want to play that I can't.

When do you plan on building it?

January. The sooner the better, but mid January might be the reality of the situation.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I'm not really sure how to overclock, so i don't think I will. If it's something I need to do, in order to use the computer the way I want, then let me know if it's something I should learn more about, otherwise, learning how to build a computer is exciting enough :D.

Do you need an Operating System?

I have Windows 7.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Higher performance sounds great, if this is something that you guys think I should do, and it's within my budget than I plan on it, otherwise, not a big deal.

Where will I get parts?

I have close nearby access to a Fry's. I also live in U.S. so I can use Newegg.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 15:52:25
December 19 2010 15:51 GMT
#2557
On December 18 2010 14:05 Xanbatou wrote:
Hello. I am in the market for building my own computer. I am a noob at computer building so please give me some pointers ^_^. Anyways, I have two questions with this build:

1. Is it really worth it to get the i7? The other cpu i was looking at was the phenom x6 1055t, and that's pretty good too. But i don't know if upgrading to the i7 is worth the extra $100.

2. Is my graphics card overkill? All I know is that I want to be able to play sc2 maxed out with no graphics lag and I also want to be able to play skyrim when it comes out next year.

Here is my build:


Video Card - $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506

Processor + Motherboard Combo - $389
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.570272

Memory - $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231180

Power Supply - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Hard Drive - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136020

Computer Case - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062&cm_re=tempest-_-11-146-062-_-Product

CD Drive - $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Wireless PCI - $18
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WMP54G-Wireless-Adapter-Refurbished/dp/B0034HIB0W/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1292633383&sr=8-7

Total = $962



Your build needs some revising, its not complete in the first place. That CPU does not come with an HFS and you bought an external HDD(Out of stock nonetheless), do you have spare internal HDDs laying around?

edit: Damn, just woke up... Cant believe I was answering a post thats 2 days old. -____-

"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 19 2010 15:56 GMT
#2558
On December 19 2010 07:36 Captain Peabody wrote:
Thanks for the comments, guys, this is exactly the kind of stuff I need to be hearing. So just out of curiosity, what would you say is the best value I could get for a GPU in the around $100-200 dollar range?

And no, I'm not planning overclocking...didn't know that the CPUs came with a cooler though, that's good to know. Should save me some money for sure. And I'll definitely go with the 400W PSU if that's all I'll need.
I'm also planning on getting a HDD, just forgot to include it. From what I can see, I think I'll just pick up one of the cheaper 500-640 gig hard drives. Definitely don't need any more than that.

Thanks again for the help. I'm going to start ordering the parts probably this coming week.


Spinpoints are out of stock at newegg, then get a Caviar XX instead.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 19 2010 18:30 GMT
#2559
@Captain Peabody: best value GPU in that range is GTX 460 768MB for under $150 if your screen resolution is under 1920x1080. The difference between the GTX 768MB and 1GB models is smaller with smaller resolutions and maybe not worth the price difference in that case. HD 5770 under $120 would also be terrific. GTX 460 1GB (not SE) under $180 is great too if you're planning on long-term use or playing at higher resolutions. Prices fluctuate a lot and I don't keep up that closely.

@BraveGhost: You can get a pretty stacked computer for $1500 that should be able to handle games for a reasonably long time. Don't feel bad if you need to wait until mid-January because Intel is releasing its next generation of processors in early January anyway. It'd be good timing anyway to hop on that train.

It's kind of hard to spec out prices this far in advance though. But for the CPU, you're probably looking for the Core i5-2500. GPU could be something higher-end like a GTX 570, HD 6970, or HD 6950. Multi-GPU setups are a hassle and probably not worth the time, heat, and noise unless you play at resolutions higher than 1920x1200 or like having top-end performance. With the remaining budget, you could fit in a good SSD and also a nice case and PSU to last several builds. Check back in January I guess.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#2560
New models and whatnot are coming out soon so wait till the price drops. Especially on SSD, CPU and GPUs, those are pretty short-lived. I havent bought my GPU, monitor, and a SSD yet either...

Sticking to my disk drive, 19" and 4770 for now.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
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