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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
September 04 2012 23:26 GMT
#24481
What is the difference between these?
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

ASUS P8Z77-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131832&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL090412&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090412-_-EMC-090412-Index-_-IntelMotherboards-_-13131832-L09D

Currently they are the same price...
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 23:49:31
September 04 2012 23:39 GMT
#24482
On September 05 2012 08:26 U_G_L_Y wrote:
What is the difference between these?
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

ASUS P8Z77-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131832&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL090412&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090412-_-EMC-090412-Index-_-IntelMotherboards-_-13131832-L09D

Currently they are the same price...


Not much and a lot at the same time. Basically the ASRock board is slighty better and the ASUS board is mATX. Then there is the different software that achieves the same thing and then buying the brand is also factored into the price.

Edit: I just looked at the prices. The ASRock board at $115 is basically a steal.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 00:01:06
September 05 2012 00:00 GMT
#24483
If I am pairing that with the 2500k which I will OC eventually (imnub) does it matter whether my ram is 1333 1600 or 1800 mhz? Is it worth the extra money?
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
September 05 2012 00:34 GMT
#24484
Not worth the extra money.
Reskewed
Profile Joined September 2012
2 Posts
September 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#24485
I am in need of a new video card since my 8800gt died after 4.5 years. Too bad BFG went under since I had lifetime warranty. Despite this system being quite old, I am not building a new one quite yet. I just want to replace the video card. I have looked into several different ones and still am not sure what to go with. My current specs are:

Motherboard: Asus P5K-E
GPU: BFG Nvidia GeForce 8800gt OC2 (DEAD)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3 GHZ
RAM: G-Skill DDR2 - 1066 - 2GB
Power Supply: Corsair CMPSU-450 vx 450 Watt 80 Plus Certified
320GB HDD and 300GB HDD
19' CRT monitor

Other Information:

- I use to play most games at 1024x768 (1920x1440 is max res on monitor), however i'd be willing to use a higher resolution to get more out of a newer card.
- The setup I used was the CRT as primary display and a 42' LCD HDTV as second different display.

Here are the cards I am considering:

XFX Radeon HD 6870:
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=62756&vpn=HD687AZHFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1084

The power supply would either only barely meet the requirements of the card leaving little for the rest of the system. Then there's the CPU being bottlenecked. I could also upgrade power supply and overlock CPU, however I am not sure that is worth the money.

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 TI:
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=59501&promoid=1084:

Pros: Cheap, good performance increase over old card, power supply should handle it (I think?)
Cons: High energy consumption, loud fan, runs hot

Radeon HD 7770:
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=73018&vpn=HD7770-DC-1GD5-V2&manufacture=ASUS

Pros: Newer technology then the GeForce 5 series so less heat, power consumption
Cons: A bit pricier than the 550 TI
Also not use if my power supply can handle it.

Radeon HD 7750:
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=68759&vpn=R7750-PMD1GD5/OC&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar

Pros: cheapest deal I've found, lower power consumption
Cons: Lower performance than the other options I listed
not sure if my power supply can handle it.

Those options were the best value I could find. I havn't considered getting anything lower than those cards or if I should. I'd be willing to spend up to $150 CAD since anything more probably isn't worth it on such a dated pc. I am not too experienced with computers, therefore I'm not sure on this decision. Any advice/info would be great. Thanks!
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 06:09:23
September 05 2012 06:05 GMT
#24486
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/521?vs=540 <- 6870 barely takes more than the 8800gt.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/541?vs=540 <- 550ti has a similar draw to the 6870 so go figure.

Any of the other cards will be fine too. Depends on how much you want to spend, and how much performance you want.

NB: All the power values for systems are from the wall I think. A 300W load from the wall on an 80% efficient powersupply is only an actual system consumption of 240W.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 05 2012 06:32 GMT
#24487
VX450 has plenty of room with an E8400. You can run pretty much any single-GPU graphics card, unless you get a flagship Fermi (last-gen or two) and proceed with some gross overclocking, overvolting.
Vertitto
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland750 Posts
September 05 2012 09:44 GMT
#24488

Hello, i'm planning to get new laptop (studies/gaming mostly sc2) and i would be grateful if you could recomend (if y/n then why) the laptop and perhaps suggest something ranging in costs of ~3000 pln (900 $, would pref smth from polish market to avoid shiping etc)

Asus R500VM-SX070 specifics:
screen: 15.6'
min resolution: 1366 x 768
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3 GHz, 3.3 GHz Turbo, 6 MB Cache, 4 cores)
RAM :12 GB DDR3 (1333 MHz)
HDD: 750 GB Serial ATA 5400 RPM
graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M 2048 MB
price : 3 249 zł (~973$)
thx in advence
FISH MAKE BLUB BLUB
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 05 2012 16:15 GMT
#24489
That's not a bad price, but the i7 isn't much of a help over an i5 in most games (though the extra two cores do help sometimes) and 12GB of RAM is a waste.

At similar prices you can get laptops with current-generation graphics , which the GT 630M is not, that are above the GT 630M. That's not a bad deal though.
http://www.skapiec.pl/site/cat/17/comp/4200705
http://www.skapiec.pl/site/cat/17/comp/4511159

At that resolution, GT 630M should be enough for SC2 on medium though.

It's more important to get something with better keyboard, trackpad, display, build quality, battery life, etc. But those things are impossible to tell without using yourself or consulting a good review.
AnDa1120
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada472 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 22:39:40
September 05 2012 20:55 GMT
#24490
Hello TL,

I bought a new heatsink Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and when I installed it the PC turned on but nothing showed. So I put back my old stock intel heatsink and now it doesn't turn on at all. Please help! I'm pretty positive that I had everything connected properly to the motherboard so advice would help. There's the light on the motherboard that is lit up green as well.

My build:
i5-2500K
CM HAF 912
8GB GSKILL RIPJAWS
500GB WD BLUE
ASUS P67 PRO-M
CORSAIR 600W CX V2
http://www.twitch.tv/area51_anda | @ahandyhoang | areaAnDa.751 | Terran | NaDa ♥
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
September 05 2012 23:18 GMT
#24491
If I have a 2400k and a 6850 factory OC, 650w psu, would it be possible to overclock to get some more out of the system? Would the risk be worth the reward in this case?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 05 2012 23:26 GMT
#24492
On September 06 2012 05:55 AnDa1120 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello TL,

I bought a new heatsink Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and when I installed it the PC turned on but nothing showed. So I put back my old stock intel heatsink and now it doesn't turn on at all. Please help! I'm pretty positive that I had everything connected properly to the motherboard so advice would help. There's the light on the motherboard that is lit up green as well.

My build:
i5-2500K
CM HAF 912
8GB GSKILL RIPJAWS
500GB WD BLUE
ASUS P67 PRO-M
CORSAIR 600W CX V2

Graphics card?

Try the usual stuff like reseating everything, disconnecting everything but the bare essentials to boot and going from there.

Are you getting POST beeps? Is the motherboard hooked up to a speaker such that getting beeps is possible?


On September 06 2012 08:18 ToREcho[5] wrote:
If I have a 2400k and a 6850 factory OC, 650w psu, would it be possible to overclock to get some more out of the system? Would the risk be worth the reward in this case?

i5-2400k doesn't exist. If it's a i5-2500k and you have a P67, Z68, Z75, or Z77 motherboard, you can overclock it a decent amount for benefits in CPU-constrained situations (of which there are few in day-to-day computing and most games...it really depends on what you use the computer for). If it's a i5-2400 and you have one of the above motherboard types, you can overclock up to 400 MHz. Otherwise, you're out of luck for CPU improvements. Within some reasonable limits, there are very low risks.

You can overclock the GPU beyond factory settings. There are even lower risks here.
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
September 05 2012 23:29 GMT
#24493
thanks ill start reading some guides and give it a go
AnDa1120
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada472 Posts
September 05 2012 23:48 GMT
#24494
On September 06 2012 08:26 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:55 AnDa1120 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello TL,

I bought a new heatsink Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and when I installed it the PC turned on but nothing showed. So I put back my old stock intel heatsink and now it doesn't turn on at all. Please help! I'm pretty positive that I had everything connected properly to the motherboard so advice would help. There's the light on the motherboard that is lit up green as well.

My build:
i5-2500K
CM HAF 912
8GB GSKILL RIPJAWS
500GB WD BLUE
ASUS P67 PRO-M
CORSAIR 600W CX V2

Graphics card?

Try the usual stuff like reseating everything, disconnecting everything but the bare essentials to boot and going from there.

Are you getting POST beeps? Is the motherboard hooked up to a speaker such that getting beeps is possible?


Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:18 ToREcho[5] wrote:
If I have a 2400k and a 6850 factory OC, 650w psu, would it be possible to overclock to get some more out of the system? Would the risk be worth the reward in this case?

i5-2400k doesn't exist. If it's a i5-2500k and you have a P67, Z68, Z75, or Z77 motherboard, you can overclock it a decent amount for benefits in CPU-constrained situations (of which there are few in day-to-day computing and most games...it really depends on what you use the computer for). If it's a i5-2400 and you have one of the above motherboard types, you can overclock up to 400 MHz. Otherwise, you're out of luck for CPU improvements. Within some reasonable limits, there are very low risks.

You can overclock the GPU beyond factory settings. There are even lower risks here.


Oh right, I have a GTX 285. I don't get beeps, prob because no speakers connected I use earphones/usb speakers. I tried booting with the essentials still didn't work.
http://www.twitch.tv/area51_anda | @ahandyhoang | areaAnDa.751 | Terran | NaDa ♥
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
September 06 2012 00:35 GMT
#24495
Newegg PSU calculator recommends 451w for 2500k processor and the GTX 560 I intend on buying tonight (fighers crossed). The 500w PSUs are WAY more expensive if you go with a good brand (Antec, Corsair, Seasonic) recommended to me by this forum.

I am looking at the following and wonder if they are sufficient or if you have other recommendations:

$25 after MIR
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

$35 + $4 shipping
Antec VP-450 450W ATX 12V v2.3 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

NCIX is so hard to find stuff on, how do you guys always seem to find better deals?
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 06 2012 01:30 GMT
#24496
Corsair CX v2 series has a higher chance of coil whine than other psu lines. I don't recommend them. (They'll function just fine, but irritating noise is irritating.)
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
September 06 2012 01:37 GMT
#24497
On September 06 2012 10:30 MisterFred wrote:
Corsair CX v2 series has a higher chance of coil whine than other psu lines. I don't recommend them. (They'll function just fine, but irritating noise is irritating.)


I don't mind the coil whine on my cx500v2, as my case fans at 50% make more noise than the whine and I just flip the switch on it when I go to bed (tower is about 18in from my pillow). If the back of your computer is going to be not easily accessible then getting a CXv2 is a bad idea. Other than that I don't find any reason not to get one at their current prices.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 06 2012 01:48 GMT
#24498
Antec Neo Eco 400C is $33 shipped:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

use an old power cord from anything else. It's definitely better than the VP450, better than the CX V2.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#24499
And just to clarify for Myrmidon's suggestion above. Yes, 400w is MORE than enough for your needs. Newegg's power calculator is wrong (meaning exaggerating, presumably to get you to spend more money or because of some of the crappy brands Newegg sells).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
September 06 2012 03:08 GMT
#24500
Thank you guys for all of your help. Pulling the trigger on the whole rig now.
I'm sure I will be back when I have an overpriced paperweight

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