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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Go with a Coolermaster Hyper 212 (whatever version) or an HR-02 Macho (@amazon) if you like quieter components. Just to clarify - streaming requires zero extra GPU power. A cheap $100 or less 6770 or whatever can run SC2 on max. The key thing for streaming in CPU power (you're covered on that with the i7, a very good choice for streaming). The only reason to get a more powerful video card than that is for games other than SC2. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On August 05 2012 23:46 Nabutso wrote: Is something wrong with the i7-3770K? What would you recommend if I chose to OC this?Then again, if it was up to me, I'd also suggest a 2500k for the slightly better OC ability and better temps. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
First what I am expecting from the computer: Play "all" current generation games (low settings for the toughest is okay), and the computer to last 3+ years (3year warranty and for a unlucky person such as me that means electronics die within months of the warranty expriring ;-)). The computer (I am not building it myself): price: 995.74 USD / 806.29 EUR (OS not included in price). CPU*: Intel® Core i5-3450 Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.1Ghz, 6MB, Boxed w/fan. GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DVI-I, DVI-D, native-HDMI, DisplayPort, 860MHz. Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155 m-ATX, B75, DDR3, 1xG3-PCIe-x16, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, VGA, DVI, UEFI. RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240. Drive**:Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB 2.5" OEM SATA 6Gb/s (SATA3.0) 520MB/320MB/s read/write, Basic Kit. Power conn.: Cooler Master GX Lite 600W PSU ATX 12V V2.3, Standard, 1x 4+4 CPU, 1x Floppy, 2x Molex, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA. Cabinet: Cooler Master Elite 430 Midi Tower Black Blæser: 1x 120mm Front, Blue LEDs, mATX, ATX, 2x USB, 1x Audio. *: I am considering replacing the CPU with 1. Core i5 3550 at 3.3GHz (-13.7 USD / 11 EUR) (note: I don't know why this makes it cheaper, but it lowers to total price when part of this build, looking at this component individually it is more expensive). 2: Core i5 3570K at 3.4GHz (+17.3 USD / 14 EUR). I'm leaning towards the first choice, because it is significantly cheaper and have a fairly nice benchmark mark i5 3450: 7072; i5 3550: 7485 and i5 3570K: 7724). **: I will add a HDD to the build (+ 85 USD/ 70.5 EUR), to not be limited to 128GB of the SSD. So basically I'd like to hear if there are flaws to this build and some remarks on the choice of CPU? It is possible to upgrade the other components as well, so minor stuff could be fixable by replacing that part. Thank you! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
3570k is for overclocking and since you aren't overclocking, don't waste money on it. Get the 3550 if it's cheaper than the 3450 as its slightly faster. You don't need a 600w power supply. Something like an Antec Earthwatts 380D, Corsair CX430v2, Antec Neo Eco 400C, and XFX Core Edition 450 all provide more than enough power for such a low-end build. Corsair Vengeance is generally more expensive than every other kit so there may be less expensive options there. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:40 skyR wrote: Benchmarks don't mean anything. 3570k is for overclocking and since you aren't overclocking, don't waste money on it. Get the 3550 if it's cheaper than the 3450 as its slightly faster. You don't need a 600w power supply. Something like an Antec Earthwatts 380D, Corsair CX430v2, Antec Neo Eco 400C, and XFX Core Edition 450 all provide more than enough power for such a low-end build. Corsair Vengeance is generally more expensive than every other kit so there may be less expensive options there. Thank you! I'll stick with core i5 3550. There is no option to replace the Corsair Vengeance RAM, maybe it's possible if I contact the company (Komplett) (they have a ton of RAM for sale, just not as choices for this PC build). Regarding the power supply I can replace the 600W with a 500W* power supply, but at a slight increase in price (+21.7 USD / 17.7 EUR). What would I achieve doing this? *Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 1x 6pin+1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6× SATA, 120mm fan EDIT: Another quick question regarding the GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DVI-I, DVI-D, native-HDMI, DisplayPort, 860MHz I can replace it with other Radeon HD 7850 cards from XFX, PowerColor, or MSI (slightly more expensive at +10-30 USD), and the MSI card has a core clock speed of 900W compared to 860W of the other cards. Is the difference between these cards insignificant and mainly depending on your taste in producer (and good/bad customer service experience)? | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:01 JKM wrote: Thank you! I'll stick with core i5 3550. There is no option to replace the Corsair Vengeance RAM, maybe it's possible if I contact the company (Komplett) (they have a ton of RAM for sale, just not as choices for this PC build). Regarding the power supply I can replace the 600W with a 500W* power supply, but at a slight increase in price (+21.7 USD / 17.7 EUR). What would I achieve doing this? *Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 1x 6pin+1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6× SATA, 120mm fan EDIT: Another quick question regarding the GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DVI-I, DVI-D, native-HDMI, DisplayPort, 860MHz I can replace it with other Radeon HD 7850 cards from XFX, PowerColor, or MSI (slightly more expensive at +10-30 USD), and the MSI card has a core clock speed of 900W compared to 860W of the other cards. Is the difference between these cards insignificant and mainly depending on your taste in producer (and good/bad customer service experience)? The core i5 3750 is cheaper than the 3550 on amazon, just saying. | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7PBW9.png) did some changing around, how does this build look? | ||
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fredguy
7 Posts
What is your budget? Looking to spend around $2000 What is your resolution? Depends on the game I'm playing but usually pretty high. Highest I use is 1920x1080, most aroud 1600x900/1600x1200. (still play cs 1.6 at 800x600). What are you using it for? This will mostly be a gaming rig but I do use my computer for video editing as well. What is your upgrade cycle? I would say my upgrade cycle is 2+ years When do you plan on building it? I plan on purchasing all the parts next month Do you plan on overclocking? I do like to have the option, I've done it in the past but I'll most likely be leaving this at stock settings Do you need an Operating System? Nope. already have a copy of windows 7 ready. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Yes, I will at one point in time add a second card but not looking to get two for the initial build. I would like to start with one solid card Where are you buying your parts from? I almost always use Newegg or online sites. No good PC stores in my area. I want to thank you ahead of time for your input. I asked for your help on my last build and it worked out great. Your time is much appreciated. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:01 JKM wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 06 2012 07:40 skyR wrote: Benchmarks don't mean anything. 3570k is for overclocking and since you aren't overclocking, don't waste money on it. Get the 3550 if it's cheaper than the 3450 as its slightly faster. You don't need a 600w power supply. Something like an Antec Earthwatts 380D, Corsair CX430v2, Antec Neo Eco 400C, and XFX Core Edition 450 all provide more than enough power for such a low-end build. Corsair Vengeance is generally more expensive than every other kit so there may be less expensive options there. Thank you! I'll stick with core i5 3550. There is no option to replace the Corsair Vengeance RAM, maybe it's possible if I contact the company (Komplett) (they have a ton of RAM for sale, just not as choices for this PC build). Regarding the power supply I can replace the 600W with a 500W* power supply, but at a slight increase in price (+21.7 USD / 17.7 EUR). What would I achieve doing this? *Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 1x 6pin+1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6× SATA, 120mm fan EDIT: Another quick question regarding the GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, DVI-I, DVI-D, native-HDMI, DisplayPort, 860MHz I can replace it with other Radeon HD 7850 cards from XFX, PowerColor, or MSI (slightly more expensive at +10-30 USD), and the MSI card has a core clock speed of 900W compared to 860W of the other cards. Is the difference between these cards insignificant and mainly depending on your taste in producer (and good/bad customer service experience)? Silverpower is an older Seasonic based unit while the Coolermaster is an ATNG. Not sure which has better build but I'm guessing the Seasonic. Clock speed should not affect your decision on what card to get as this can easily be changed with software by yourself without voiding warranty. The difference between the varying cards can be the heatsink, warranty / post sale support, PCB, etc. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:30 aBstractx wrote:+ Show Spoiler + did some changing around, how does this build look? Why are you buying a $250 motherboard and than cheapinng out on every other component? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:36 skyR wrote: Silverpower is an older Seasonic based unit while the Coolermaster is an ATNG. Not sure which has better build but I'm guessing the Seasonic. Clock speed should not affect your decision on what card to get as this can easily be changed with software by yourself without voiding warranty. The difference between the varying cards can be the heatsink, warranty / post sale support, PCB, etc. It's Cooler Master GX Lite. If they consider it to be worse than their normal GX series, then I don't want any part of it. That said, I think it's an unknown at this point. @fredguy: Come back when you actually want to purchase. There's no use recommending parts for current deals that will no longer be available. How serious is the video editing? Do you need top speed and performance for that? If not, $2000 is way more than you can reasonably spend without throwing cash away for next to 0 benefit. | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:40 skyR wrote: Why are you buying a $250 motherboard and than cheapinng out on every other component? which components are "cheap"? thought i was getting pretty good stuff with the cpu/gpu/mobo. i went cheap sata because i dont need a lot of storage. i dont even use 100 gb on my system now. i was gonna get a nice 256 gb sata and just scratch the hdd is that okay? is the ram cheap or something? they all seem pretty similar so not sure i was recomended not even spend the xtra money on the hyper 212 evo case is kind of cheap but seems pretty nice to me | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 06 2012 09:06 aBstractx wrote: which components are "cheap"? thought i was getting pretty good stuff with the cpu/gpu/mobo. i went cheap sata because i dont need a lot of storage. i dont even use 100 gb on my system now. i was gonna get a nice 256 gb sata and just scratch the hdd is that okay? is the ram cheap or something? they all seem pretty similar so not sure i was recomended not even spend the xtra money on the hyper 212 evo case is kind of cheap but seems pretty nice to me Compare the motherboard to the rest of your components... Your motherboard is essentially a flagship product. It has dual thunderbolt, wifi / bluetooth, mSATA, a dozen phases, and a bunch of other goodies. The only thing better is the Sniper board. CX500v2 is a budget PSU that's not even a very good purchase when a Capstone 450 is just slightly more. It can't even support overclocked 3770k and 7970. Why get a $250 board if you don't plan on doing CrossfireX? Why get a shitty Hyper 212+ on a board with a dozen phases... If you aren't doing extreme overclocking than why get a $250 board? You probably won't even make use of the double thunderbolt, mSATA, or the dozen other features of the board. It's not like the motherboard significantly improves gaming performance so why spend so much on the motherboard and neglect every other component? If you're going to spend $250 on a component that will be replaced in three years, you should at least spend the same amount on the components that are likely not to be replaced in three years (eg. PSU, case, heatsink, SSD, HDD). | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 06 2012 09:50 Medrea wrote: That motherboard belongs on like a $1800 system and everything else is aiming for space on an $800 system. Hm, power supply definitely, heatsink sure, and case sure. Some of the other stuff like Caviar Black and getting an SSD is on the higher end, though not up there like a $250 Z77 motherboard. edit: as pointed out, the idea is that a motherboard at about half the cost can probably do all the same things you want to do. And $125 can be saved, or allocated to things that actually make a difference or that at least can be used for many years. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:06 aBstractx wrote: is it alright to use just one ssd and no hdd at all? Sure, if you get one with enough space for your needs. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
1) H61M-P21 Motherboard 2) And a budget of at most 200-230$ ? I saw i5-3500 up there. Is it any good? And will I have to reinstall windows just because I changed my CPU? The last time I changed many stuff and it asked me but this time it's only gonna be CPU. | ||
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Vic.nQQ
Bulgaria88 Posts
If I was to overclock the i5, I assume I would be going for 4.4 - 4.5 Ghz as I am not very experienced at it; If I was to have the i7, I would get an Asrock MB (z77 pro-4 M) that allows for non-K Overclock and run the i7 at 3.7 to 3.9 Ghz with the box cooling. Which one will be better for my streaming needs? I obv prefer the cheaper i5, but I'd like to know what the difference would be (if any) for my goals? Edit: Forgot to mention - I will be gaming on the same PC, it is not going to be a dedicated streaming computer if anyone got confused. | ||
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