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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:07 skyR wrote: No. SLI requires identical cards. Or, stated in the way that's less confusing, identical GPU and RAM. Different cooling solutions and brands, different factory OCs, non-issue. But the chip and RAM have to be the same. (skyR is correct, as usual, but if you don't know what he means by identical, those could be factors for confusion) | ||
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nanospartan
649 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I'd really be looking more at a return on the new one to swap with a card that's actually compatible, if that's the plan. Speaking of compatibility, your motherboard can handle SLI, right? | ||
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nanospartan
649 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Not that I recommend doing that, even if it's possible. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Maybe it's just me. | ||
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nanospartan
649 Posts
 EDIT: I bought the card on vacation and that means I can't refund the newegg card | ||
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MrMagick
Sweden9 Posts
Below are the questions that need to be answered in order to get help i think. + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? 900/1050euros or 8000/9000 SEK What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? Gaming, for games like TF2, SC2, BF3 and maybe some other games in the future. What is your upgrade cycle? I dunno, maybe 2-3 years I guess... When do you plan on building it? In a week or so, when i have figured out where exactly i am going to purchase the parts and so on. Do you plan on overclocking? Yes. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Meh, i have heard that it is not worth the money. Where are you buying your parts from? Webhallen.com or Komplett.se Now that we have answered that, let's move on to my build that i have made up. Feel free to criticise as much as you want, but please, don't bash me if i picked stupid parts (and no, I didn't pick a 700w Diablotek because i want my computer to not explode). My build: + Show Spoiler + Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LX - ATX / Z77 (bundle with the processor and the RAM) Processor: Intel Core i5-3570K RAM: Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB DDR3 (1.5v) GPU: ASUS Radeon HD7850 2GB (HD7850-DC2-2GD5) SSD: Corsair Intern SSD 120GB Force 3 Series SATA III 2.5" HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200RPM SATA/600 16MB Random DVD burner PSU: Antec PowerSupply (PSU) 550W EA-550 Platinum HSF: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO This comes to a total of: 8491 SEK, which is about 983 euros. Now for some questions: Q1: Is there anything I am missing? Q2: Is that SSD good or bad? I don't know if I should pick that one or the Intel 330. Q3: Is the PSU worth the money. Is it a reputable PSU or is there a better one? Q4: I can get the same PSU brand and everything but with 450w instead, Do i need 550 for the overclock? And that's about it. Hope that you can help me! | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
2) Intel 330 if price is very similar. I trust Intel a million times over any other Sandforce partner when it comes to firmware. 3) Anything half decent in the 450W-500W region is good enough. A Platinum PSU is very good but completely overkill. 4) Looking at Komplett.se, models like the XFX Core 450W are solid PSUs and should be around half the price of what you have chosen. 450W is fine so long you don't go nuts overclocking the GPU. You probably don't want to do this anyway. That's about it. The rest of your build should work fine unless there's some elephant trap I don't know about. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Don't expect a very high overclock with the P8Z77-V LX, but it should be fine for most people. The Intel 330 is cheaper than the Corsair Force 3, so that's an easy pick, as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
So this is the build I had with the changes suggested. CPU Intel Core i5-3450 Changed to: Intel Core i5-3550 - I was told this was a good upgrade for the cost? Motherboard Gigabyte Intel H77 LGA 1155 AMD CrossFireX DVI/HDMI Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-H77-DS3H 8 gigs of ram. Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA III 7200 RPM Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt 80 Plus Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel and AMD Platforms - CMPSU-500CXV2 GPU HD 7870 Changed to: HD 7850 - is the 7870 a good upgrade for the cost? I was told it is not worth it. NZXT Source 210 -Inch ELITE-Inch Midtower Case with 3.0 USB Other than those two changes, I was told 500W is barley enough and I should go with 550W or 600? I trust you guys more than this friend so let me know if you think they are true or not. Thank you again! | ||
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MrMagick
Sweden9 Posts
On August 04 2012 21:56 Womwomwom wrote: 1) Seem to be missing chassis. 2) Intel 330 if price is very similar. I trust Intel a million times over any other Sandforce partner when it comes to firmware. 3) Anything half decent in the 450W-500W region is good enough. A Platinum PSU is very good but completely overkill. 4) Looking at Komplett.se, models like the XFX Core 450W are solid PSUs and should be around half the price of what you have chosen. 450W is fine so long you don't go nuts overclocking the GPU. You probably don't want to do this anyway. That's about it. The rest of your build should work fine unless there's some elephant trap I don't know about. I didn't tell you about the chassis because I don't really know which one i should get. Is the Fractal Design R3 any good? I have heard that it is a straight forward chassis with no gimmicks and such, and it's supposed to be quiet. Any other good cases out there that don't cost a fortune? Also been thinking about the HAF 912 Case, but it looks a bit too "gamer" for me. I'd just like a normal chassis. The 330 is cheaper (by 1 euro lol), but it says "Intel Intern SSD 330 Series 120GB SATA III 2.5 - Reseller I am not sure what that means, and the site doesn't say either. That's why I am a bit hesitant towards it. You make a fair point with the PSU's. Don't really need to comment other than I guess I will get the XFX 450. I am not overclocking the GPU by the way. Don't expect a very high overclock with the P8Z77-V LX, but it should be fine for most people. Define very high overclock please. I was going for about 4.3 or something like that. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 05 2012 02:27 shtdisturbance wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I had this build ready to go but some people suggested a few changes and I was hoping for some input on the changes. So this is the build I had with the changes suggested. CPU Intel Core i5-3450 Changed to: Intel Core i5-3550 - I was told this was a good upgrade for the cost? Motherboard Gigabyte Intel H77 LGA 1155 AMD CrossFireX DVI/HDMI Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-H77-DS3H 8 gigs of ram. Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA III 7200 RPM Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt 80 Plus Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel and AMD Platforms - CMPSU-500CXV2 GPU HD 7870 Changed to: HD 7850 - is the 7870 a good upgrade for the cost? I was told it is not worth it. NZXT Source 210 -Inch ELITE-Inch Midtower Case with 3.0 USB Other than those two changes, I was told 500W is barley enough and I should go with 550W or 600? I trust you guys more than this friend so let me know if you think they are true or not. Thank you again! 3470 and 3550 are on sale... so if you are going by current pricing than buying a 3450 is stupid. Why get a CX500v2? Just get a CX400 for $30 or Antec Neo Eco for $35. Whoever told you that 500w is barely enough is an idiot. Your configuration won't even exceed 200w since it's no where near high-end and you're not even overclocking. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
500w is more than enough. Overkill, really. The issue is that some bad brands rate their products at a higher wattage than they can really deliver. Anyone who is saying 500w isn't enough doesn't know what they're talking about or is assuming you might buy one of those crap brands. Luckily, you came here for advice. I'd stay away from that particular PSU. Though it does deliver quality power, it sometimes develops coil whine (an irritating noise). I'd look for something like an Antec Neo Eco 450c, an XFX core 450w, or a Corsair CX400 (that's NOT v2). CPU: there's really only tiny, tiny speed differences between the i5-3450, i5-3550, and i5-3570 (sans-K). If one is only a few bucks more than the slower one, well fine, but normally I just recommend whichever is cheapest. GPU: depends on the games you play. Some games, like SC2 or Diablo 3, can't really use the extra power. Others can. The 7870 is in fact more powerful than the 7850. Whether it's worth the price difference is subjective - it depends on how much you value higher graphics quality settings in the games you play. Either will run any modern game, but the 7870 will run some games more smoothly at higher graphics settings. Edit: I didn't look at NCIX when I typed that, and I want to point out that SkyR, above, is basically the best advice you can find when it comes to buying computer parts in Canada. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 05 2012 02:35 MrMagick wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 21:56 Womwomwom wrote: 1) Seem to be missing chassis. 2) Intel 330 if price is very similar. I trust Intel a million times over any other Sandforce partner when it comes to firmware. 3) Anything half decent in the 450W-500W region is good enough. A Platinum PSU is very good but completely overkill. 4) Looking at Komplett.se, models like the XFX Core 450W are solid PSUs and should be around half the price of what you have chosen. 450W is fine so long you don't go nuts overclocking the GPU. You probably don't want to do this anyway. That's about it. The rest of your build should work fine unless there's some elephant trap I don't know about. I didn't tell you about the chassis because I don't really know which one i should get. Is the Fractal Design R3 any good? I have heard that it is a straight forward chassis with no gimmicks and such, and it's supposed to be quiet. Any other good cases out there that don't cost a fortune? Also been thinking about the HAF 912 Case, but it looks a bit too "gamer" for me. I'd just like a normal chassis. The 330 is cheaper (by 1 euro lol), but it says "Intel Intern SSD 330 Series 120GB SATA III 2.5 - Reseller I am not sure what that means, and the site doesn't say either. That's why I am a bit hesitant towards it. You make a fair point with the PSU's. Don't really need to comment other than I guess I will get the XFX 450. I am not overclocking the GPU by the way. Don't expect a very high overclock with the P8Z77-V LX, but it should be fine for most people. Define very high overclock please. I was going for about 4.3 or something like that. Define R3 is pretty popular, should be good. There's a newly-released R4 now, but that just has a few incremental improvements and is larger. Don't bother with the quiet cases cheaper than the R3. "Reseller" for the SSD probably just means that the package is only the SSD. Usually there's a retail package with some extras like a CD with software, SATA cable, sticker (lol), maybe a 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter bracket, so the "reseller" or "OEM" package would not include these things. 4.3 GHz is no problem on these lower-cost motherboards. | ||
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
I know i thought the guy seemed like a know it all type, glad i checked with you guys. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 05 2012 02:56 t0ssboy wrote: hello guys is FX-Series X8 8150, 3.60GHz, 16MB, BOX, AM3+, Black Edition good for streamin or is INTEL CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155 better? FX-8150 is definitely better than i5-2500k (and newer, slightly better i5-3570k) for streaming. If you want to play games, the i5s are better for that. They also use a whole lot less power, so less noise and heat. If you want to stream games where the CPU is not really a limitation, the FX-8150 would be better, going by performance. If you want to stream a CPU-intensive and -limited game like SC2, it's a tradeoff between game quality and (average) stream quality. Most people would prefer that their side look better, but that's not everybody. Note that you can always turn down encoding settings on the stream slightly (to a certain point, but a i5-2500k is nowhere close to that point), which makes stream quality / bitrate suffer a bit but reduces the CPU requirements. | ||
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