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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
AMD FX-Series X8 8150, 3.60GHz, 16MB, BOX, AM3+ A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 2048M HD6570 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ or This: INTEL CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155 A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 1024M HD6450 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ Which one is better for streamin sc2 on Mid ? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On August 05 2012 03:17 t0ssboy wrote: Im going to be getting either this: AMD FX-Series X8 8150, 3.60GHz, 16MB, BOX, AM3+ A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 2048M HD6570 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ or This: INTEL CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155 A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 1024M HD6450 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ Which one is better for streamin sc2 on Mid ? The AMD build. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
An HD 6450 is not going to be happy running medium. A 2GB DDR3 HD 6570 shouldn't even exist, but it's not like it's any worse than a 1GB DDR3 HD 6570 except for costing somebody more. It's slow enough that most people would consider it just a last-generation media card and not even really a gaming card, but it's a lot faster than the 6450. An FX-8150 is not going to be happy running SC2, with or without streaming, though things could be worse. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On August 05 2012 03:17 t0ssboy wrote: Im going to be getting either this: AMD FX-Series X8 8150, 3.60GHz, 16MB, BOX, AM3+ A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 2048M HD6570 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ or This: INTEL CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155 A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 1024M HD6450 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ Which one is better for streamin sc2 on Mid ? The intel one. FX is a failure for everything except servers and sc2 is not graphically bound. Also you don't need 2GB of VRAM unless you have some crazy high resolution (>2560x1800?). For me and anybody that regularly gives advice, intel is the ONLY choice for gaming (barring the fx4100 which happens to be the only value fx chip there is). | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On August 05 2012 03:17 t0ssboy wrote: Im going to be getting either this: AMD FX-Series X8 8150, 3.60GHz, 16MB, BOX, AM3+ A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 2048M HD6570 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ or This: INTEL CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155 A-DATA 4 GB DDR III 1333 Sapphire 1024M HD6450 DDR III HDMI PCI-E /BULK/ Which one is better for streamin sc2 on Mid ? Why are you getting either of those? Good luck streaming sc2 on mid with that. The only thing i'd keep out of either of those builds is the intel cpu and now there's ivybridge shit out that's better. | ||
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Vic.nQQ
Bulgaria88 Posts
On August 03 2012 17:34 Vic.nQQ wrote: Hey guys, I am looking to get a budget PC mainly for streaming LoL / SC2; gaming is a secondary objective, as long as I can run the latest games at low / medium with decent frame rate I am fine. What is your budget? Technically I am looking to spend $850-$875, but my country has a 20% VAT, so that would put me at $700-$730 range What is your resolution? 1680x1050 is the monitor that I will be playing on. I plan to have a 2nd monitor with either the same or lower resolution, but it will be used purely for tasks such as displaying chat or showing the media player (so I will be 'gaming / streaming' only on the 1680x1050 one) What are you using it for? Well, I guess I answered that above, but for the sake of it - I will be using the machine to stream low requirement games such as LoL / SC2 at preferably 1080p (or something between 720p and 1080p considering that I have a different aspect ratio). Low-end gaming is a secondary goal and is not important What is your upgrade cycle? I plan to use this computer until the end of university, so 2-3 years without major upgrades. I can possibly add small features like an SDD or more RAM over time. When do you plan on building it? Pretty much within a week Do you plan on overclocking? The real question is - will I need it? I have a couple of sample builds that I have been tinkering pretty much the whole day yesterday, so please give me your advice on that. Do you need an Operating System? I get free win7 via MSDN, so no. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Considering that streaming is not affected by the GPU, the answer is no. Where are you buying your parts from? A local vendor. The pricing is mostly similar to what you'd find in all European stores, as long as you are not looking at discounted stuff My latest brainstorming: MB: ASROCK Z77 Pro4-M ($90.40) CPU: INTEL CORE i5-3570K ($234.10) CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Evo ($30.83) GPU: SAPPHIRE 1024M HD6850 DDR 5 PCI-E /BULK/ ($143.90) RAM: KINGSTON 2x4GB DDR III 1600 XMP ($52.00) HDD: WD 1024GB 64MB SATA III Blue ($82.50) PSU: FORTRON FSP500-60APN, 500W ($46.50) Case: KME CX-5859 ($16.00) --------------- Total cost: $696.23 ($835.57 with VAT) I DO NOT need Keyboard / Mouse / Headset / Monitor / Headphones / Speakers This configuration is supposedly going to allow me to overclock the processor. The case is really random, honestly the cheapest one I could possibly find (supports both ATX and mATX), but in the end I felt like case is the only place where I can make a real cut in the cost. From the reviews I have seen, the Hyper 212 Evo allows for easy OC up to 4.7 ghz without even breaking into the 70 C, so it seemed like a good option. So let's go with the questions: 1) MB: Should I care weather the MB is microATX or standard ATX considering what I am looking for / going for? mATX mobos simply seem cheaper and I am not likely to be using the extra expansion slots and if I ever end up getting a good GPU it would probably be wiser for me to buy 1 instead of using 2 (cost-wise). 2) CPU: Do I really need to overclock for streaming HQ? I'd be able to cut 70$ by going for a 3470 i5 and dropping the CPU cooler. With the MB I have chosen (it has no-k OC support) I should even be able to up the clock speeds of it by a few hundred (from what I was reading, I should be able to get the 3470 to 3.7-3.8 GHz). The other question also goes - do I need an i7 for streaming HQ LoL / SC2 at stable 60 FPS? 3) GPU: Considering that I don't really need a strong video card for LoL/sc2 I have decided on one that seems to be on the cheaper side while still alowing me to play all the games (from what I understand it's one of the cheapest 256bit gddr5 cards that has an ok clock that is even overclockable). I spent quite a lot of time reading up on benchmarks and reviews and I seem to like this one best, while I would have to cut something else in order to improve it. No real questions here, but I am open to suggestions. 4) Airflow - the case doesn't come with any fans; should I be looking to add any and if yes, how many (from the pictures I think that the case has slots for: 1x 120mm rear, 1x 120mm side and unknown size front (probably 80 or 120) Any help will be greatly appreciated (and rewarded with end result pics if you guys want  )Cheers! + Show Spoiler + Hey guys, I posted a while earlier but couldn't get any responses :/ While I have spent the last few days pretty much only on looking through benchmarks and forums, I still have a pretty poor overall idea about the current computer hardware stuff. Please help a poor university student get the best for his buck >:| | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
For advice on parts, fill out questionaiire in this thread's OP. @vic.nqq: hard to give specific advice without a parts/price list from the vendor you're buying from. they usually have those posted online somewhere. Your plan so far looks pretty good though. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
That should give you a very solid base for streaming. Might be above your budget though. | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
Power Supply - Corsair TX 750 Motherboard - EVGA nForce 780i 3-way SLI CPU - Intel Quad Core Q9400 @ 2.7 GHz RAM - 4Gb Speedskill @ 800 GPU - Nvidia GTX 560 ...and im looking to upgrade the Mobo, CPU, and RAM. Here's what im looking to buy: Motherboard - ASUS P8Z77-V LX Intel Z77 ATX DDR3 2400 LGA 1155 - $140 CPU - Intel Core i5-2500K Quad-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 6 MB Cache LGA 1155 $215 RAM - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2133MHz PC3 17000 Dual Channel 240 Pin Desktop Memory $60 Is there a better deal / bang for the buck? Any problems that might occur? Thoughts? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 05 2012 05:51 Soulstice wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello, im looking to upgrade my current system which is: Power Supply - Corsair TX 750 Motherboard - EVGA nForce 780i 3-way SLI CPU - Intel Quad Core Q9400 @ 2.7 GHz RAM - 4Gb Speedskill @ 800 GPU - Nvidia GTX 560 ...and im looking to upgrade the Mobo, CPU, and RAM. Here's what im looking to buy: Motherboard - ASUS P8Z77-V LX Intel Z77 ATX DDR3 2400 LGA 1155 - $140 CPU - Intel Core i5-2500K Quad-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 6 MB Cache LGA 1155 $215 RAM - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2133MHz PC3 17000 Dual Channel 240 Pin Desktop Memory $60 Is there a better deal / bang for the buck? Any problems that might occur? Thoughts? Poor choices. P8Z77-V LX is overpriced. You're much better off with Asrock or MSI. 2133MHz memory is a waste of money. Just get $40 1333MHz / 1600MHz cas9 memory. You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On August 05 2012 05:59 skyR wrote: Poor choices. P8Z77-V LX is overpriced. You're much better off with Asrock or MSI. 2133MHz memory is a waste of money. Just get $40 1333MHz / 1600MHz cas9 memory. You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. That mobo for 140 dollars is overpriced? Thanks for the heads up, i found the cheaper MSI's Asrocks. Ill probably get cheaper ram, thanks a lot for the feedback. Also, I found the Core i5 quad core 3750k for only $5 more than the 2500k on amazon. | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
Motherboard - ASRock B75 PRO3 LGA 1155 Intel B75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $85 Newegg CPU - Intel Core i5-3570 Quad-Core Processor 3.4 GHz 6 MB Cache LGA 1155 - BX80637I53570 $200 Amazon RAM - Kingston Technology HyperX 8 GB (2x4 GB Modules) 1600 MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Kit (PC3 12800) 240-Pin $34 Amazon I was able to shave off almost $100 from my original build, which im pretty happy about. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/eye_am_ben/Computerbuild.png) There are some questions I have about this build: 1) Assuming that later I want to add 8 more gigs of RAM, a Sound Card, and another 560Ti video card, as well as overclocking capability, do you guys think that the power supply is strong enough to deal with all of this? Or should I go higher? 2) I don't need a hard drive because I already have a 120 GB Solid State Drive in my possession, and I only plan on using this PC build to do gaming / streaming while I use my laptop to take care of all my personal BS. 3) What operating system out of all the windows 7 series, would be the best to go with for gaming? 4) If you want to edit the build that I posted here, please do not change the fundamental parts that I posted here, unless it's maybe the power supply. | ||
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Nabutso
351 Posts
I also don't think you'll need to add 8GB more RAM unless you're doing something like CAD work. You will already have overclockability with this build. you don't need to 'add' it. You probably won't notice the difference a sound card makes unless you're an audiophile, have good a good headset (Not gaming headsets), or enjoy placebo effect (especially if you won't be listening to music off your 120GB SSD). A Hyper 212+/evo will outperform or match an H60. Don't bother with closed loop water unless you want really bad returns per $$, unless you want it just for the novelty of it. edit: it's generally not a good idea to SLI/Xfire mid tier cards. Keep in mind you need to play games in true fullscreen for the 2nd card to be put to use. Just wait a little while for the 660, or spring for a 670, you have the budget to do so it looks like. Maybe the 670 will go a little over. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Running 2 560Tis is not very appealing though. You may want to consider using the savings from that power supply change to get a much better 7870, which will also handle a second card better than the 560ti in the future. With the $100 savings from the PSU, that can easily fit in your budget. Also, what nabutso said on air coolers vs the corsair H60 | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
Alternatively, you guys could suggest to me an aftermarket cooling fan for the CPU. Whatever you think is better. as for the video card, I basically need something that can handle 200/200 armies being streamed at 1600x900 resolution through xsplit. Do you think the 7870 will cut it? | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On August 05 2012 23:03 Enders116 wrote: @MisterFred, @Nabutso Is the liquid cooler a good idea or a bad idea? Just a straight answer, please. Personally, I don't know a damn thing about liquid cooling, so what I need to know is just, "Do I need to change the water out on this system every now and then?" Alternatively, you guys could suggest to me an aftermarket cooling fan for the CPU. Whatever you think is better. as for the video card, I basically need something that can handle 200/200 armies being streamed at 1600x900 resolution through xsplit. Do you think the 7870 will cut it? Um a 6850 will easily handle it, and they're about $120. Streaming places zero (as in absolutely none at all) extra load on your gpu, it's all done by the cpu. If you're only playing Starcraft 2, and not games that actually require a decent graphics card, there is not reason to get anything above even a single 560ti, it will never even come under full load. Also, paying $70 for 8 gb of ram is well, a little odd to say the least, when 1333 can be had for $40, although it MAY make a small difference for streaming, I'm not entirely sure. Both MisterFred and Nabutso were saying that closed loop coolers are shit. There's no point installing water cooling for a cpu alone, it's extremely cost inefficient relative to cooling performance (read: more cooling with a similarly price air cooler), water cooling really only starts to become good if you bother attaching gpus and such to a custom made loop, preferably with a phase-change cooler, which is going to take a lot of effort and money. In short, get a 212+/EVO, it's equal or better, half the cost, and you don't get a stupid radiator block to deal with. | ||
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Nabutso
351 Posts
On August 05 2012 23:03 Enders116 wrote: @MisterFred, @Nabutso Is the liquid cooler a good idea or a bad idea? Just a straight answer, please. Personally, I don't know a damn thing about liquid cooling, so what I need to know is just, "Do I need to change the water out on this system every now and then?" Alternatively, you guys could suggest to me an aftermarket cooling fan for the CPU. Whatever you think is better. as for the video card, I basically need something that can handle 200/200 armies being streamed at 1600x900 resolution through xsplit. Do you think the 7870 will cut it? You can 'cut it' with a 5770 honestly. Closed loop (a liquid cooling system you aren't building yourself, basically) is not worth it. You wouldn't need to change the water though. My suggestion is a Hyper 212+ or Hyper 212 Evo. The evo has a better fan. Then again, if it was up to me, I'd also suggest a 2500k for the slightly better OC ability and better temps. | ||
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