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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Zushen
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SC2David
Canada5 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 16 2012 05:17 skyR wrote: Fixed that for you. <3 Fuck Ibuypower and their blatant profiteering. | ||
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yaeger
Norway98 Posts
Intel® Core i7-3820 Processor Socket-LGA2011, Quad Core, 3.6Ghz, 10MB, Boxed, no fan included Intel® Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5Ghz, 8MB, Boxed w/fan | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:53 yaeger wrote: Hey, guys, whats the difference between these to cpus? the cost about the same, and I have no idea what to buy. Intel® Core i7-3820 Processor Socket-LGA2011, Quad Core, 3.6Ghz, 10MB, Boxed, no fan included Intel® Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5Ghz, 8MB, Boxed w/fan Socket is the biggest difference, they will perform about the same. Generally it's better to go with an i5 3570k if you're on socket 1155 or an i7 3930k on socket 2011. | ||
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yaeger
Norway98 Posts
what you think about this package? 648703 - Intel® Core i7-3820 Processor, Socket-LGA2011, Quad Core, 3.6Ghz, 10MB, Boxed, no fan included 652808 - ASUS P9X79, Socket-2011,ATX, X79, 8xDDR3, 3xPCIe(3.0)x16, CFX&SLI, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, FW, EFI 618010 - Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9, Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240 656313 - Intel® Air Cooling, for Socket-LGA2011, Boxed Why should i get the i7 3930k ? | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:12 yaeger wrote: hm, Im a totally newbie about building PCs. what you think about this package? 648703 - Intel® Core i7-3820 Processor, Socket-LGA2011, Quad Core, 3.6Ghz, 10MB, Boxed, no fan included 652808 - ASUS P9X79, Socket-2011,ATX, X79, 8xDDR3, 3xPCIe(3.0)x16, CFX&SLI, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, FW, EFI 618010 - Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9, Kit w/2x 4GB XMS3 modules, CL9-9-9-24, 1.5V, Vengeance Heatspreader, 240 656313 - Intel® Air Cooling, for Socket-LGA2011, Boxed Why should i get the i7 3930k ? I'm not saying you should get the 3930k, just that it's probably not worth going socket 2011 if you don't. The 3570k will perform just as well in gaming and lightly threaded programs and is a much cheaper option. Socket 2011/x79 is a platform where you should go big or skip it entirely. If you're spending >$1.5k on graphics cards, go socket 2011. If you need the best possible CPU for multi threaded applications, go socket 2011. If you are using niche software that's memory bottlenecked, go socket 2011. Otherwise go socket 1155 and put the savings to your GPU/SSD or Keyboard/Mouse/monitor/chair/desk. | ||
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yaeger
Norway98 Posts
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Vorhard
Spain9 Posts
I'm a newbie at making my own computers but I read quite a few pages of this thread and this is what I came up with: + Show Spoiler + INTEL 1155 CORE I5 3570K 261€ P.B. 1155/ATX/DDR3 ASUS P8H77-V LE 111€ DDR3 DIMM 8GB 1600 CORSAIR CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R (2X4GB) RED 62€ SVGA PCIE 1024MB GF ASUS GTX560 TI GDDR5 258€ SSD 2.5 128GB SATA3 KINGSTON SV200S3B7A/128G 117€ (prices from info-coste.com) ~809€ Op questions: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? 800-1000€ What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? Gaming What is your upgrade cycle? 3-4years When do you plan on building it? As soon as possible Do you plan on overclocking? Not atm, never done it before. Could look into it if there's a big difference in performance. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. Where are you buying your parts from? I live in Mallorca - Spain, from what I'm seeing everything is more expensive here than in the US, I guess any shop that ships here will do. Don't think it'll help, but places I usually buy from are these: info-coste.com pcbox.com appinformatica.com Additional comments: I've got a 3year old case and a 500W PSU, the extra ~200€ could go into upgrading that if needed + a new HSF if the processor doesnt come with one. I've also got a slow 1TB hard drive that I could use just to store basically everything except games/windows which will be on the SSD. Any insight will be appreciated, the last computer I made was a fail so I wont rush it this time. Thanks | ||
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findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
what features should i look for in a computer case, aside from looks and size? i wouldn't be overclocking - so the airflow would probably not pose too much of a problem - are the expensive cases all for gimmicks? the only useful thing i can think of that it could offer is cable management... please correct me / yell at me if i'm wrong; i'm just a novice looking at computer parts. also, the same question applies for motherboards - if i'm not going to be doing SLI/crossfire and not overclocking, and using Ivy bridge, I know i will be going for a h77 board - but there are a ton of h77 boards. ASRock, for example, offers pro3, pro4, pro4/mvp, pro4-m and so on and so forth - do they only grant more expansion slots? thus, if i'm just sticking in a SSD/HDD/GPU, i should just look for one with at least 2 sata III 6gb/s ports, and a suitable PCIe slot (i.e. go for the cheapest one)? finally, can someone tell me what power this system would draw? i'm building in a few months... intel i5-3570 CPU, WD caviar green 1tb HDD, Crucial M4 128gb SSD, corsair vengeance low profile 2x4gb 1600MHz 1.5v ddr3 RAM, MSI 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 Twin Frozr 2GB 256-bit GPU, ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP MOBO, CM Hyper 212 Evo heatsink ^i'm using the hyper212Evo because i was told the fan has a wider radius than the stock fan and would thus have less RPM and generate less noise. ^^ i might change my mobo depending on the responses i get; i think the cheap pro3-m would suffice for my purposes. well, the price is not that different at any rate; and i don't think power draw depends on the mobo provided it's a cheap h77. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:14 findingthelimit wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sorry, this post is longer than i thought it would be - I have a few questions/confusions again... what features should i look for in a computer case, aside from looks and size? i wouldn't be overclocking - so the airflow would probably not pose too much of a problem - are the expensive cases all for gimmicks? the only useful thing i can think of that it could offer is cable management... please correct me / yell at me if i'm wrong; i'm just a novice looking at computer parts. also, the same question applies for motherboards - if i'm not going to be doing SLI/crossfire and not overclocking, and using Ivy bridge, I know i will be going for a h77 board - but there are a ton of h77 boards. ASRock, for example, offers pro3, pro4, pro4/mvp, pro4-m and so on and so forth - do they only grant more expansion slots? thus, if i'm just sticking in a SSD/HDD/GPU, i should just look for one with at least 2 sata III 6gb/s ports, and a suitable PCIe slot (i.e. go for the cheapest one)? finally, can someone tell me what power this system would draw? i'm building in a few months... intel i5-3570 CPU, WD caviar green 1tb HDD, Crucial M4 128gb SSD, corsair vengeance low profile 2x4gb 1600MHz 1.5v ddr3 RAM, MSI 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 Twin Frozr 2GB 256-bit GPU, ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP MOBO, CM Hyper 212 Evo heatsink ^i'm using the hyper212Evo because i was told the fan has a wider radius than the stock fan and would thus have less RPM and generate less noise. ^^ i might change my mobo depending on the responses i get; i think the cheap pro3-m would suffice for my purposes. well, the price is not that different at any rate; and i don't think power draw depends on the mobo provided it's a cheap h77. Cases: + Show Spoiler + More expensive cases will usually offer better build quality and lots of additional features such as: - tool-less mounting systems (for 3.5" drives, 5.25" drives, PCI expansion slots, etc), and improved mounts, for example, higher quality drive mounts with anti-vibration features; and things like 3.5" bays which are all compatible with 2.5" drives - hot-swap drive bays - easier to access dust filters for intake fans - painted interior, rubber grommets around cable routing holes, perfectly rolled edges that you can't cut yourself on (though this only happens on really cheapass cases usually) - sometimes higher quality fans, and maybe better cooling overall with lower noise levels (even without sound dampening materials) - but this is not a general rule. There are lots of very expensive cases that are otherwise great but have pretty bad air cooling potential (e.g. Corsair 800D, which is more designed with water cooling in mind) - less pastic, more steel or aluminum - better overall finish (like matching white paint colors) - more connectivity (like 2 to 4 front USB3 ports, front eSATA) - more space for things like water cooling Many of these things are not really useful for many people. Mobo's: - same story; you pay more, you get more features. Even the least expensive B75 (which you should be looking at also over H77) boards should be built fine, there's not much to worry about in terms of longevity. Just pay for the features that you need. By the way, I'm guessing you meant the i5 3550 not 3570K. Also the 212 EVO is only quiet when the fan is at 600RPM. When it needs to ramp up to 2000RPM, it's pretty loud. If your motherboard doesn't have more advanced CPU fan curve controls (and less expensive boards usually don't), then you're stuck with that. But since you're not overclocking, if you set a sane target temp like 60 Celsius, the fan should never go to full speed. Still, it will be a better idea to get a Gelid Tranquillo or Xigmatek Gaia instead of the 212 Evo. EDIT: About PSU: The system might hit at most ~200W peak during a gaming load (maybe if you overclock the 7850 a bit). You'll be fine with pretty much anything of decent quality. Antec 380D or HCG 400 or Neo Eco 400, PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK3 400, SeaSonic S12II 430B, XFX 450, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
My only real goal with this computer is something that can simply not crash multiple times a day from the myriad of problems with gaming laptops, and I don't really have the know how or time to order parts and piece it all together, so buying a prebuilt is what I'm thinking about at the moment. I'm looking at an upper spending limit of 1200$, but 1000$ would be ideal. So here are the questions...... Where do I make my purchase? What do I look for to know I'm getting something that can, for instance, play dota 2 on max settings with no problems? Do I use one of the sites that let you select each individual part from long lists or something like newegg? http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_II/ is that a good deal? And anything else that you wish to let me know would be awesome. Thanks a lot for the advice! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:25 N3rV[Green] wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello PC wizards of TL, I come with a request. I'm finally getting my first tower since my shitty bestbuy crapcomputer I got when I was like 14, and I honestly don't know shit about what a good computer is. My only real goal with this computer is something that can simply not crash multiple times a day from the myriad of problems with gaming laptops, and I don't really have the know how or time to order parts and piece it all together, so buying a prebuilt is what I'm thinking about at the moment. I'm looking at an upper spending limit of 1200$, but 1000$ would be ideal. So here are the questions...... Where do I make my purchase? What do I look for to know I'm getting something that can, for instance, play dota 2 on max settings with no problems? Do I use one of the sites that let you select each individual part from long lists or something like newegg? http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_II/ is that a good deal? And anything else that you wish to let me know would be awesome. Thanks a lot for the advice! Buying from Cyberpower is not that much different from buying from your local BestBuy. Both computers are going to be overpriced, not optimized, and shit in a few years. The computer you linked can indeed play DotA 2 on max. It contains a core i7 3770k which is an unlocked quad with hyperthreading. A waste of money for gaming as games don't utilize eight threads and you most likely won't dive into overclocking as you have no time or knowledge as you mentioned. It has a GTX 550 Ti as well which is not that great in terms of performance per dollar. For the sole purpose of gaming, you want to get a core i3 or core i5 and put the money that was wasted on the i7 into a better graphics card such as a Radeon HD7850 or GTX 670. But if all you're going to do is play DotA 2 than the GTX 550 Ti will suffice. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 17 2012 03:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: Where should I go to buy a computer then? Whats the "in the know" place where stuff isn't "overpriced"? Read the OP and it will tell you a lot of what you need to know about computers before making a purchase. For the US, Newegg and if there is one nearby a microcenter is where its at. On July 17 2012 03:54 9-BiT wrote: Is it possible to get a computer for around 500$ that can stream starcraft2? It doesn't need to be ultra graphics, but the higher the better. Kinda. It depends on your net as well but low budget streaming usually leads to a poor streaming experience for either the user or the watchers. Possible? Yes. Enjoyable? Not unless you are extremely not picky about framerate. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
On July 17 2012 03:54 9-BiT wrote: Is it possible to get a computer for around 500$ that can stream starcraft2? It doesn't need to be ultra graphics, but the higher the better. It certainly helps if you have very good internet. You'll be able to put less CPU into encoding. | ||
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findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:29 Wabbit wrote: Cases: + Show Spoiler + More expensive cases will usually offer better build quality and lots of additional features such as: - tool-less mounting systems (for 3.5" drives, 5.25" drives, PCI expansion slots, etc), and improved mounts, for example, higher quality drive mounts with anti-vibration features; and things like 3.5" bays which are all compatible with 2.5" drives - hot-swap drive bays - easier to access dust filters for intake fans - painted interior, rubber grommets around cable routing holes, perfectly rolled edges that you can't cut yourself on (though this only happens on really cheapass cases usually) - sometimes higher quality fans, and maybe better cooling overall with lower noise levels (even without sound dampening materials) - but this is not a general rule. There are lots of very expensive cases that are otherwise great but have pretty bad air cooling potential (e.g. Corsair 800D, which is more designed with water cooling in mind) - less pastic, more steel or aluminum - better overall finish (like matching white paint colors) - more connectivity (like 2 to 4 front USB3 ports, front eSATA) - more space for things like water cooling Many of these things are not really useful for many people. Mobo's: - same story; you pay more, you get more features. Even the least expensive B75 (which you should be looking at also over H77) boards should be built fine, there's not much to worry about in terms of longevity. Just pay for the features that you need. By the way, I'm guessing you meant the i5 3550 not 3570K. Also the 212 EVO is only quiet when the fan is at 600RPM. When it needs to ramp up to 2000RPM, it's pretty loud. If your motherboard doesn't have more advanced CPU fan curve controls (and less expensive boards usually don't), then you're stuck with that. But since you're not overclocking, if you set a sane target temp like 60 Celsius, the fan should never go to full speed. Still, it will be a better idea to get a Gelid Tranquillo or Xigmatek Gaia instead of the 212 Evo. EDIT: About PSU: The system might hit at most ~200W peak during a gaming load (maybe if you overclock the 7850 a bit). You'll be fine with pretty much anything of decent quality. Antec 380D or HCG 400 or Neo Eco 400, PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK3 400, SeaSonic S12II 430B, XFX 450, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting Hello, I actually did mean the i5 3570, just without the -K suffix. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115233) Is there a problem with the CPU i picked? On the other hand, thanks for your response! I will look at the power supplies you have suggested to me. Regarding the case, I guess I will just look for what looks the best, since all those features don't really mean too much to me, the computer novice. You talked about CPU fan curve controls, can you go into a little more detail regarding how I can purchase / find out about motherboards that have such features? I don't see this ability in the specs sheet of motherboards; but from what you said, it seems like this functionality exists independent of mobo type (as in z77 / h77). I assume the board I have mentioned, the asrock pro4/mvp, does not have this feature...? (I don't know where to look for it!) | ||
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