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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 13 2012 17:59 GMT
#23321
Is an i3-2120 good enough for a small business server running WHS 2k11?

Mostly using it for NAS-like functions, backups, VPN, and occasionally some TS server hosting or live video transcoding+streaming.
derp
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 18:02:06
July 13 2012 18:01 GMT
#23322
On July 14 2012 02:59 Jaso wrote:
Is an i3-2120 good enough for a small business server running WHS 2k11?

Mostly using it for NAS-like functions, backups, VPN, and occasionally some TS server hosting or live video transcoding+streaming.

Seems like way overkill except for maybe the live video transcoding. Don't a lot of NAS use Intel Atom, ARM, etc.? Though not those running Windows Home Server.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 18:46:19
July 13 2012 18:10 GMT
#23323
On July 14 2012 03:01 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 02:59 Jaso wrote:
Is an i3-2120 good enough for a small business server running WHS 2k11?

Mostly using it for NAS-like functions, backups, VPN, and occasionally some TS server hosting or live video transcoding+streaming.

Seems like way overkill except for maybe the live video transcoding. Don't a lot of NAS use Intel Atom, ARM, etc.? Though not those running Windows Home Server.


Yeah I figured I wouldn't need it for the more basic things since a super old P4 can do the same just fine. I guess it can't hurt, plus it's on sale right now; iirc it's actually cheaper than the i3-2100.

edit: also, should 4GB RAM be enough? Was considering 8GB but I know that right now it's a lot more than I'll need.
derp
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 13 2012 18:51 GMT
#23324
4GB should be more than enough, never mind 8GB.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#23325
Cool; I'll probably take the savings from that and get 2x 1TB drives instead of 500GB.

As for the actual case (this is like 2-3 pages back but my original post got no responses), there's going to be 2 120mm fans; one in the front and one either on the side or at the back. With the stock CPU fan and nothing else, the two fans should be enough, right? (also a 380W Antec EarthWatts PSU)
derp
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 13 2012 19:07 GMT
#23326
It should be fine with just the fan in front (and even if it were at a really low speed). Now that I see the original post, why not a B75 motherboard?

Maybe you should check out the new WD Red drives, unless you need slightly better random access.
http://promotions.newegg.com/WD/12-2738/index.html
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 19:40:43
July 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#23327
On July 14 2012 04:07 Myrmidon wrote:
It should be fine with just the fan in front (and even if it were at a really low speed). Now that I see the original post, why not a B75 motherboard?

Maybe you should check out the new WD Red drives, unless you need slightly better random access.
http://promotions.newegg.com/WD/12-2738/index.html


So no need for an additional fan, then?
Also, didn't check for many other mobos, but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540 this one does look pretty good. Saves a good $35; only drawback is that there's only 1 SATAIII port, but that really doesn't matter I suppose since I'm not using SSD. Thanks for the tip.

I saw the WD Red drives in the news actually, but they're quite a bit more expensive than something like the Barracuda ($80/1TB right now which seems like a really good deal) or Caviar Blue.

edit again: I can save $20 or so by getting a Corsair CX430 over the Antec 380D; is this a good choice? I know I don't need that much power, but would the 80+bronze in the Antec be worth the investment?
derp
BoatsandJoes
Profile Joined April 2012
United States4 Posts
July 13 2012 21:51 GMT
#23328
On July 13 2012 04:12 BoatsandJoes wrote:
Hey all! I'm putting together my own computer for the first time and I'm looking for help finishing up my build. I'm aiming to spend less than $2000 on hardware, and I think I'll be able to stay within that range easily (although I can go a little over if I really want to). I'll be running Windows 7 Home Premium on two monitors, one at 1280x1024 and the other at 1920x1080. I'll be playing pretty much every sort of game at 1920x1080, including RTS (StarCraft II), FPS (Tribes: Ascend, Quake Live), and third person sandbox (Sleeping Dogs, GTA V). In addition, I will also be doing some programming (not progaming!) and streaming, as well as casual music listening (via Spotify). I'm going to hold onto this computer for maybe 4 years with only minor upgrades, so the goal of this build is to absolutely demolish modern programs on my monitor setup so that future programs will still run pretty well.

Here's the parts list so far:
+ Show Spoiler +
gpu: ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II TOP ($430)
cpu: Intel i7 3770K LGA 1155 ($350)
hard drive (system): Crucial m4 256 GB SSD ($190)
hard drive (storage): 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD or something similar (<$100)
ram: 1 8GB DDR3 module ($40)
optical drive: Lite-On Internal DVD Writer ($18)
total so far: $1150 or so


I'm planning to buy all of the parts this month, mostly from a local Microcenter but I'll shop around online for better deals on the same components. I am *not* planning to overclock now, but I might overclock the cpu a few years down the road to keep performance up (the gpu is already factory overclocked by kind of a lot). I doubt I'll ever get a second video card for SLI.

The things I still need to know are:
+ Show Spoiler +
1) Are there any glaring issues with my setup so far?
2) What motherboard should I buy, or at the very least, which chipset should I use? I'm using the 1155 socket type. I know that I want pretty good onboard audio (don't want to scrape the very bottom of the sound barrel) but also enough room to put on a dedicated sound card later (just in case), and I hear Asus is good for that, but other than that I have no idea how to narrow my choices down. I want onboard NIC for ethernet but I hear most motherboards have that these days. I probably want at least four usb ports in total (mouse, keyboard, plus two or more extra) if that's a factor. I'm about 80% certain that I won't need to connect a wireless card for WiFi: I'll update as soon as I find out for sure if I'll be setting up a wired connection.
3) I need an aftermarket cpu cooler (especially if I overclock in the future), so which one should I get? Am I wrong in assuming that air cooling should be fine for my needs and still relatively quiet? Finally, if you're suggesting a motherboard, will I need an aftermarket cooler for it as well? (I think the stock fan on the gpu is fine; that's why I picked it over the EVGA ftw edition.)
4) Any case suggestions? I haven't even looked for this yet, because obviously the motherboard is a factor, but I want it as small as possible for the components I'm using (I'll need to move the computer around occasionally, so a case any bigger than I need is a liability) without sacrificing too much airflow. The only upgrades I'm seriously planning to make are a dedicated sound card and potentially another 8 GB of RAM, so I don't need to leave too much space for that purpose.


Thank you all so much for helping
P.S.- I know that I need a PSU. I figure I can pick that out by myself later, but if anyone has suggestions they're appreciated.
edit- I forgot to mention this explicitly, but I do live in America, so Europe-only deals are out.

This got buried a few pages back :S I still need some help.
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Hitapotamonkus
Profile Joined January 2011
United States18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 21:52:38
July 13 2012 21:52 GMT
#23329
Hi guys, I'm looking to upgrade my cpu, motherboard and ram. I plan on getting my cpu from a nearby micro center where they have the 3570k for $190. What would be a good motherboard that is compatible and stable with the 3570k and also supports overclocking? My budget would be anywhere from 100 to 200 dollars on the motherboard.
Smoot
Profile Joined April 2011
United States128 Posts
July 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#23330
Hello again, I'm looking at helping a friend build a desktop so I decided to check out this thread again because everyone was so helpful for me.


--What is your budget?

500-600$ Only looking at trying to build a gaming computer.

--What is your resolution?

1280x1024

--What are you using it for?

Purely Gaming. Games planning to play = D3, SC2, Battlefield 3, Guild Wars 2

--What is your upgrade cycle?

3 years +

--When do you plan on building it?

1-2 weeks (IE: Order Now, and build when I get the parts)

--Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

--Do you need an Operating System?

Nope.

--Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

-- Case?
I will need a case, don't really care about what it looks like, just worried about space / airflow.

--Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg or another online retailer depending on best price vs quality.
SoulWager
Profile Joined August 2010
United States464 Posts
July 14 2012 01:09 GMT
#23331
On July 14 2012 09:22 Smoot wrote:
Hello again, I'm looking at helping a friend build a desktop so I decided to check out this thread again because everyone was so helpful for me.


--What is your budget?

500-600$ Only looking at trying to build a gaming computer.

--What is your resolution?

1280x1024

--What are you using it for?

Purely Gaming. Games planning to play = D3, SC2, Battlefield 3, Guild Wars 2

--What is your upgrade cycle?

3 years +

--When do you plan on building it?

1-2 weeks (IE: Order Now, and build when I get the parts)

--Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

--Do you need an Operating System?

Nope.

--Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

-- Case?
I will need a case, don't really care about what it looks like, just worried about space / airflow.

--Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg or another online retailer depending on best price vs quality.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($56.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $498.89
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
thefourmusketeers
Profile Joined November 2011
United States28 Posts
July 14 2012 05:48 GMT
#23332
I'm planning on upgrading my gpu and the two that I narrowed down to is the 570 Gtx and the 7850. Which of the two would be better? I mostly play Sc2 and DayZ atm.
Comprissent
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 05:55:48
July 14 2012 05:54 GMT
#23333
Hi all, and thanks in advance for any help I can get on this.
Here is my info that can help
+ Show Spoiler +
--What is your budget?
~$750

--What is your resolution?
1920x1080

--What are you using it for?
Gaming (sc2/LoL/dota2/Mass Effect series + anything else on steam), some photoshop, copious amounts of excel, imageJ (image processing)

--What is your upgrade cycle?
3+ years

--When do you plan on building it?
2-3 weeks

--Do you plan on overclocking?
No

--Do you need an Operating System?
No

--Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

-- Case?
Don't need

--Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg/Microcenter.


And here are parts that i've outlined with some help that brings me to around ~$750 (Processer+motherboard combo has a discount). Is this an optimal setup? What can I do better?

+ Show Spoiler +

Processor: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0388577

Motherboard: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0387556

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820145347

Power Sup: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151093

Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814102968

Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822148697

Case (already have): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112247&cm_mmc=070412SuperSale-_-7-_-N82E16811112247&nm_mc=070412SuperSale
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 06:57:46
July 14 2012 06:54 GMT
#23334
Pretty much fine. You definitely don't need 16GB of memory and I wouldn't buy that memory either. Go with the cheapest 8GB kit you can find that runs at 1.5V. If you find yourself running out of memory, then get another 8GB kit.

Also, I believe the HD6850 is around the same price at the HD7770 and I believe it outperforms it.

Edit:
Are there any combos deals for the Intel Core i5 3450? If you aren't going to overclock, why pay for for the K series processor and Z77 motherboard? All you really need is a basic H77 or B75 motherboard.
Xiniun
Profile Joined November 2011
14 Posts
July 14 2012 13:40 GMT
#23335
Building from scratch!

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
800€

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Gaming, no streaming, no recording. Would want to be able to play some higher graphics games such as BF3 and crysis 2, tho not on the highest settings.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years

When do you plan on building it?
By the end of july when I get money for it

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, I plan on adding a second GPU for SLI in the future.

Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.pricerunner.com

Another note: I would like an SSD harddrive if that's possible, because I have an external harddrive were I save all my heavy stuff, so I would like to have stuff like OS and starcraft 2 on the SSD.


Thanks beforehand!
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 14 2012 13:45 GMT
#23336
On July 14 2012 22:40 Xiniun wrote:
Building from scratch!

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
800€

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Gaming, no streaming, no recording. Would want to be able to play some higher graphics games such as BF3 and crysis 2, tho not on the highest settings.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years

When do you plan on building it?
By the end of july when I get money for it

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, I plan on adding a second GPU for SLI in the future.

Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.pricerunner.com

Another note: I would like an SSD harddrive if that's possible, because I have an external harddrive were I save all my heavy stuff, so I would like to have stuff like OS and starcraft 2 on the SSD.


Thanks beforehand!

You've been answered before...Just find everything on price runner...

On July 13 2012 22:20 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 21:23 Xiniun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Building from scratch!

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
800€

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Gaming, no streaming, no recording. Would want to be able to play some higher graphics games such as BF3 and crysis 2, tho not on the highest settings.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years

When do you plan on building it?
By the end of july when I get money for it

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Yes, I plan on adding a second GPU for SLI in the future.

Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.komplett.ie

Another note: I would like an SSD harddrive if that's possible, because I have an external harddrive were I save all my heavy stuff, so I would like to have stuff like OS and starcraft 2 on the SSD.


Thanks beforehand!


i5-3450 €182.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/intel_socket_1155/80005581/intel_core_i5_3450_3_1_ghz_6mb_lga_1155/details.aspx

MSI H77M-G43 €89.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/intel_socket_1155/20154422/msi_h77ma_g43_socket_1155_micro_atx/details.aspx

8GB Kingston Value RAM DDR3-1333 1.5v €49.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ddr3_modules/20002423/kingston_valueram_8gb_1333mhz_pc3_10600/details.aspx

Sapphire HD6870 €162.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ati__amd/20080832/sapphire_radeon_hd_6870_1gb_pci_e/details.aspx

Crucial M4 128GB SSD €119.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ssd/80002930/crucial_m4_ssd_128gb_2_5_sata_600/details.aspx

Cooler Master HAF912+ €79.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/midi_tower/80000961/cooler_master_haf_912_plus_mid_tower_no_psu/details.aspx

Corsair TX650v2 €84.00
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/power_supplies/20076120/corsair_enthusiast_tx650_v2_650_watt/details.aspx

DVD Burner €22.95
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/dvd/20096282/sony_optiarc_ad_5280s_5_25__dvd_rw_(_r_dl)/details.aspx

Total: €792.65

The PSU only has 2x6+2pin connectors so when you add a second GPU down the road your going to have to use Molex to 6+2pin adapters. Also the selection on this website isn't the greatest.

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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
July 14 2012 14:59 GMT
#23337
Ok so here's a few questions for you guys (I'm going to start off by posting my build):

Case: Rosewill Challenger (I was stupid when I bought it and went with the cheapest one I saw)
Motherboard: ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68
CPU: Intel i5 2500k
GPU: Radeon 7870 (I think I have the Saphire one)
PSU: Antec 650w 80+ Bronze
Memory: 8 GB Corsair Vengeance RAM @1600 Mhz
Sound Card: HT Omega 7.1 Surround Sound
HDD: 500 GB 7200 RPM (not sure which company, shouldn't make too big of a difference)

So, here's my questions:

1.) To add CPU cooling to overclock my 2500k, I need to remove a fan from my case. How challenging/time intensive will this be, and will I noticeable any large jumps in temps?

2.) Will I get a good speed boost if I decide to add in an SSD? Basically is the price:performance ratio good enough to bother dropping money on a reputable SSD?

3.) Is it difficult/dangerous to OC GPUs (basically, if I screw up, can I mess up my graphics card beyond repair)?

If you have any recommendations for a good SSD, please link them. I live in the US, and I can get a discount on Tigerdirect, and I live right next to a Microcenter, so preferably one of those two, but Newegg is fine as well.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 15:09:12
July 14 2012 15:05 GMT
#23338
Temps will drop on your CPU for sure but if you are removing a case fan then ambient case temperature might rise. Probably not a big deal though.

A solid state drive doesnt add performance, it just makes things load faster, like a game map or your OS environment. How much that is worth is up to you. A good SSD depends on your budget though.

It is easy to overclock GPU's, but yes you can break one. Stay away from tweaking the voltage at all unless you have very specific and very reputable information at hand. You can change clock speed however you want, just make sure to read temperatures as you are doing so.

I encourage you to overclock your GPU for sure. I have many many cards trying to overclock them, and they always bounce back as long as I dont fuck with the voltage in any way. Slow and steady wins the race here, try tweaking to a certain value you know will work, and then every day try 5 mhz faster until your system farks up and then back down. You can also run a test on the GPU.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
July 14 2012 15:19 GMT
#23339
Hmm ok, price is not really too limited (I would prefer to stay on the cheaper side of things), but if it will be a good upgrade, I'll pay for it.

For the CPU, I think I'm probably going to remove the fan and get a 212 to cool my processor. For the GPU, I'll just look up what other people have OC'd to safely and lower that by a bit and then just take it up from there. Thanks for the fast response.
Comprissent
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
July 14 2012 15:35 GMT
#23340
On July 14 2012 15:54 Womwomwom wrote:
Edit:
Are there any combos deals for the Intel Core i5 3450? If you aren't going to overclock, why pay for for the K series processor and Z77 motherboard? All you really need is a basic H77 or B75 motherboard.


I may eventually overclock in the future, just not right now, and there's no combo deals for anything but the K series
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