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AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
April 10 2010 00:56 GMT
#641
Anyone familiar with the CCC (Catalyst control center) for ATI that could help tweak out some of the 3D settings available? Anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc. I'm guessing all these settings take a toll on card performance or do they actually improve it in some cases?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
April 10 2010 02:01 GMT
#642
Anti-Aliasing takes a huge toll on the graphics performance. Essentially what it does is on lower resolution screens, it smoothes the edges between objects so they aren't as rough and pixellated. It has a huge memory bandwidth requirement as you increase the level of AA.

Anisotropic filtering doesn't take much of a toll, and is something about looking at the screen at different angles.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 10 2010 02:51 GMT
#643
On April 07 2010 13:51 Toyomaha wrote:

@ Savio
What did you have before you upgraded to your 550? What would happen when your previous PSU wouldn't cut it? Just wondering if you would have system lock-ups like I did.


Sorry it took a while to respond. I've had 2 instances in my life of my PSU being insufficient. In both cases, the computer would boot normal and sit there normally if I did nothing but once I started a game or movie and the CPU/GPU starts asking for more juice, the entire computer would just click off suddenly. I never had any "freezes".
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 10 2010 03:01 GMT
#644
On April 10 2010 08:09 AeroGear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 11:56 Savio wrote:
@ Toyomaha,

4870 is a beast and easily runs on ultra settings if it has enough power supplied. Make sure your Power supply is 550 watt at least. That is my best guess because I am running the same card and my power supply couldn't handle it until I got a 550 watt and now it runs like a charm in big battles over zerg creep on 6x speed on all ultra at 1680x1050.

EDIT: also, just in case, you did install the card driver right?


I have a Q9550 with an HD4870 1GB DDR5 with pretty standard 4gig of ram (win xp) and I honestly cant run it all on ultra, I have to set textures to high and I still get occasionally some slowdown especially big fights (4 players) with psi storm involved. So I'm currently running it in 1900x1200 (16 bit) with every maxed but textures. Have a 850 watt Antec PSU, dont really want to consider OC'ing cpu or video card.

Its a bit frustrating but meh I'm not gonna upgrade solely for SC2, but I wouldve expected to max out everything on a game that's been in development for SO LONG. I see people with much older (dual core pcs) claiming to have some pretty high fps with everything maxed and it leaves me bitter. Am 1 version behind driverwise but it should'nt account for a huge increase. Others suggest grabbing windows 7 and cranking up some more ram, which is something I'm considering. Otherwise I'm hoping ATI (which I'll probably never buy again) releases a newer/better set of drivers.

One last option I could consider might be to get a raptor HD to runs game, it would have to be a significant improvement otherwise it just doesnt seem worth the investment.



That's very surprising to me. The difference in our experiences must be your higher resolution. I am playing with everything maxed as high as will go on 1680x1050 (22"monitor)


Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3Ghz 1333FSB 6MB
ECS G31T-M QUAD CORE 1333FSB DDR2 SATA2
ATI Radeon 4870 1GB DDR5 from Sapphire
Antec 550 watt PSU
2GB PC2 6400 800Mhz DDR2 RAM
Windows XP SP3

I'm playing with the most up-to-date drivers for the card as well.

I'm surprised you can't max it.

I would try updating the drivers. Also, Blizz will almost surely be releasing patches optimizing the game's use of computer resources so it may get better.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 10 2010 03:12 GMT
#645
OPERATING SYSTEM:WINDOWS 2.5.1.2600 (SP 2)
CPU TYPE:INTEL(R) CORE(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHZ
CPU SPEED (GHZ):2.42
SYSTEM MEMORY (GB):0.999
GRAPHICS CARD MODEL:RADEON X1950 SERIES
GRAPHICS CARD DRIVER:ATI2DVAG.DLL
DESKTOP RESOLUTION:1920X1080
HARD DISK SIZE (GB):80.135
HARD DISK FREE SPACE (GB):53.952

I'm not good with computers at all, the thing was powerful when I got it in 2006, but I'm not sure what is wrong. If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
April 10 2010 03:32 GMT
#646
On April 10 2010 12:12 hyst.eric.al wrote:
OPERATING SYSTEM:WINDOWS 2.5.1.2600 (SP 2)
CPU TYPE:INTEL(R) CORE(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHZ
CPU SPEED (GHZ):2.42
SYSTEM MEMORY (GB):0.999
GRAPHICS CARD MODEL:RADEON X1950 SERIES
GRAPHICS CARD DRIVER:ATI2DVAG.DLL
DESKTOP RESOLUTION:1920X1080
HARD DISK SIZE (GB):80.135
HARD DISK FREE SPACE (GB):53.952

I'm not good with computers at all, the thing was powerful when I got it in 2006, but I'm not sure what is wrong. If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.


You really need to give us more info, is the game even starting, or does it just crash 5 mins in?

Your graphics/cpu should be able to run sc2 on a mediumish setting I think, you might need some extra ram though. You defiantly will not be able to play at 1920x1080 incase you're wondering.
esq>n
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 10 2010 03:57 GMT
#647
On April 10 2010 12:32 ejac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2010 12:12 hyst.eric.al wrote:
OPERATING SYSTEM:WINDOWS 2.5.1.2600 (SP 2)
CPU TYPE:INTEL(R) CORE(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHZ
CPU SPEED (GHZ):2.42
SYSTEM MEMORY (GB):0.999
GRAPHICS CARD MODEL:RADEON X1950 SERIES
GRAPHICS CARD DRIVER:ATI2DVAG.DLL
DESKTOP RESOLUTION:1920X1080
HARD DISK SIZE (GB):80.135
HARD DISK FREE SPACE (GB):53.952

I'm not good with computers at all, the thing was powerful when I got it in 2006, but I'm not sure what is wrong. If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.


You really need to give us more info, is the game even starting, or does it just crash 5 mins in?

Your graphics/cpu should be able to run sc2 on a mediumish setting I think, you might need some extra ram though. You defiantly will not be able to play at 1920x1080 incase you're wondering.
Oh, sorry. I run SC2, and I have not joined a game yet, but the game will often crash even in the regular mernu. I've only loaded sc2 twice, but on both accounts it has crashed. My computer's historically been a bit unstable, but recently its been slightly better. Would getting new ram/chanigng my desktop resolution help?
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
DanceDance
Profile Joined November 2008
226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-10 04:07:06
April 10 2010 04:06 GMT
#648
Oh, sorry. I run SC2, and I have not joined a game yet, but the game will often crash even in the regular mernu. I've only loaded sc2 twice, but on both accounts it has crashed. My computer's historically been a bit unstable, but recently its been slightly better. Would getting new ram/chanigng my desktop resolution help?


Going from a 1900 resolution to a 1600 resolution would make a noticeable difference in performance.

Also, it says you have 0.999 system memory. That doesn't make any sense to me. You should have at least 4 gig of memory.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
April 10 2010 04:37 GMT
#649
If your system is unstable, I would check if the RAM is running properly with memtest and try to see if the CPU is running properly with a program like Prime95.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
April 11 2010 01:01 GMT
#650
CPU: E8400 Oced to 3.6Ghz
Ram: G.skill Pi Oced to 1066
GPU: ATI MSI 5770 HAWK(I won it :D) oced to Core:850->1050 Ram:1200->1350Mhz off 1.2v nice card MSI really bringing back my trust MSI was shitty awhile back really burned alot of ppl but it's bring back quality i'd even start to put MSI up there with ASUS and Gigabyte in terms of super high end mobo's and graphic cards now.
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 in ACHI

Screen Resolution 1920x1080
Settings:Full Ultra ofc

FPS a constant 60FPS i caped it at 60 but i don't get many dips in performance and it's usually only down to 55

My old 8800GTS 640mb could only get me 20-30fps
Toyomaha
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States144 Posts
April 11 2010 01:04 GMT
#651
@Cyn
I rljust got my 2 2GB sticks replaced after waiting for about 2 weeks for OCZ to RMA them. I am going to borrow the 4870 from work again on Monday and see if the RAM really was the issue. I really hope so because if it's not I have no clue what would be the cause of me not playing at Ultra with the 4870! I'll reply back with an update...

@Savio
Sounds like our symptoms are slighly different with the PSU issues. Mine tends to lock up my pc and I have to do a hard reboot. I've gone through several different PSU calculators and every single one was below 515 watts as a required PSU. So I think my 530 watt PSU should be okay with the 4870. Also, a friend of mine has the same 4870 GPU and the exact same 530 watt PSU and hasn't had any issues with it. I'm going to test my new RAM out and see if it fixed my problem! Thanks for your help everyone.
www.starcraftutah.blogspot.com
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 01:26:36
April 11 2010 01:21 GMT
#652
intel core duo (2.2ghz)
4gb ram
geforce 9500M (512 mb dedicated)
resolution 1366x780
windows 7 x64

runs everything on ultra except shaders (medium ) at constant 50 fps

replays don't run as well, shaders set to low, not-so-constant 60 fps
the UMP says YER OUT
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
April 11 2010 07:26 GMT
#653
thanks for all the extra user settings :D

I plan to do an update of the GPU and CPU sections soon.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Toyomaha
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 03:12:27
April 13 2010 03:10 GMT
#654
*Update*

So I got my RMA'd RAM back on Saturday and borrowed my works 4870 and tried playing on Ultra Settings. I only played one practice game and it worked fine, no lockups or freezes. So, maybe my bad stick of RAM was the issue??? I then played 1v1 vs a Zerg AI on 1680X1050 Ultra Settings and did not experience any of my previous issues. So...looks like I'm set to play!!! Thanks everyone for your advice! However, the card did sound like it was about ready to take flight during the whole time I was playing. Is this common for the 4870? CPUID said temps never got above 71C.
www.starcraftutah.blogspot.com
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 03:15:11
April 13 2010 03:14 GMT
#655
Depends on the 4870 you have. Vapor-X are very silent, but I can't say much about the other ones. I think the general consensus is that they are loud though.

It also looks like the CPU benchmarks are going to be a bit harder since none of the CPU benchmarks I find have any RTS benchmarks ><
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Tippany
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States765 Posts
April 13 2010 04:18 GMT
#656
Hey guys, I've been running SC2 on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 1520) with all low settings but often when the game reaches 30+ units it starts to get choppy and the FPS drops. The game recommends that all medium settings which is what I don't understand. I'm looking at overclocking my graphics card. Any other suggestions? I'll list the setup below.


OPERATING SYSTEM:WINDOWS 2.5.1.2600 (SP 2)
CPU TYPE:INTEL(R) CORE(TM)2 DUO CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHZ
CPU SPEED (GHZ):2.015
SYSTEM MEMORY (GB):1.998
GRAPHICS CARD MODEL:NVIDIA GEFORCE 8600M GT
GRAPHICS CARD DRIVER:NV4_DISP.DLL
DESKTOP RESOLUTION:1280X800
HARD DISK SIZE (GB):145.356HARD
DISK FREE SPACE (GB):131.663

Real action, my dream.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
April 13 2010 04:21 GMT
#657
There really aren't any suggestions for the laptop. I would just run everything at low and a lower resolution if possible. 16 bit colors etc. Overclocking on laptops is just plain stupid because of the heat it creates (if overclocking is possible in the first place).
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
April 13 2010 23:55 GMT
#658
Asking for upgrade help on my Optiplex gx620:

I've used CPUZ and Dell's site to nail down most of the specifics (mid-tower gx620; Dell 0F8098 motherboard; Intel Pentium 4 630 (Prescott) 3GHz processor; 305W power supply; 1GB RAM) and used Newegg's power supply calculator to determine that, as is, the system requires up to 295W. Adding something along the lines of a 4650 bumps that up to ~350, which means I need a new power supply (unless I'm missing something; is there a huge difference between newegg's listing and actual use?). I'm looking to spend as little over $100 as possible (this cuts into my new comp fund :/) with the sole intent of being able to play SC2 on the lowest settings.

What I'm currently looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150396 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008. I recognize that the GT 240 as a Shell Shocker right now would be less expensive after rebate, but I hate mail-in rebates as a concept and it's more expensive up front.

I expect anything much higher on the video card spectrum (maybe even the one listed, for that matter) will probably be bottlenecked elsewhere anyway, but if I'm missing something/have better options I'd be glad to hear it.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
April 14 2010 00:31 GMT
#659
Are you building another computer? Because it really isn't worth it to upgrade a new PSU and GPU for an already failing computer. I would just suck it up and not play SC2 until I got a new computer.

Though if you want to play SC2 at lowest settings, a 4650 is not required.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127458
HD 4550. I wouldn't recommend buying it simply because it isn't worth it to upgrade your computer, but if you want to, it's an option.

And yes, Newegg and other sites tend to overestimate the amount of power you need by a bit to make sure you have some extra headroom.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
April 14 2010 00:51 GMT
#660
I'm going to build a computer, but my current finances keep me from being able to build what I want until July, at the earliest, so I'm trying to get a stopgap. I've been telling myself I'm just going to wait til then to play SC2, but that's getting harder and harder to stick to.

Actually, the calculator says the system should only require 301W with the 4550, so I should be able to skip the PSU, as well...hopefully. I'll grant it's not a very good way to do things, but $50 bucks now for the added enjoyment for the next few months works for me. Thanks for the help!
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
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