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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 01:34 GMT
#541
I looked at the pictures of it online and saw that it doesn't have much mounting equipment included in the AMD socket version. Perhaps it just uses the AMD stock mounts like some Intel CPU heatsinks use the pushpins?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
March 20 2010 01:39 GMT
#542
The lever is basically an exact replica of the stock fan, only difference is the lever is plastic on the stock, and the one i have is metal. Is that one good enough to OC? cause i feel like it isn't the BEST cooling fan, but i did not need more than that at the time.
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 01:46:16
March 20 2010 01:44 GMT
#543
People confusing 9600M GT with a normal 9600 card or something? 9600M GT is for laptops, I have one in my laptop and I run 1680x945 at 16 bits with everything medium and texture high. There is no fucking way you can run ultra lol.

edit: also the fps I get is 30ish.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 01:48:10
March 20 2010 01:46 GMT
#544
Well it really depends on what Athlon II you have, and what speed you want to get it up to. The dual cores have a much lower TDP and you can probably get away with overclocking a bit on that heatsink, and I have seen the AMD Athlon II X4 620 get to around 3.1Ghz on stock cooling. I would recommend getting a new cooler if you plan going very high though. However, I like my cores running nice and cool and would even buy an aftermarket HSF if I wasn't going to overclock, so take my advice with a grain of salt~

Personally I'm a big fan of Scythe.

Shivaz: Indeed, I am quite skeptical of those results as well, since it performs under the ATi HD 4650M which is just an underclocked ATi HD 4650.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
March 20 2010 02:03 GMT
#545
From what i've read 3.25 seems to be the "Sweetspot" for this CPU, but i can't confirm that.
Think this fan can cool that efficiently. Also, are there any programs for seeing temps on CPU w/o going into bios
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
March 20 2010 02:18 GMT
#546
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 02:20 GMT
#547
Monitor core temps with Core Temp!
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 20 2010 02:23 GMT
#548
Yeah there are a bunch of temp monitors but most still just pull from the bios
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
is another one
Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
March 20 2010 02:34 GMT
#549
Sweet, ill run this in a sec, just curious, u think the fan i have now can cool adequately for up to, say, 3.25 Ghz?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 03:29 GMT
#550
Updated with a platform guide!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
March 20 2010 08:35 GMT
#551
seems you were right, i had a driver issue which had my graphics card running at 2d speeds while in 3d games. This was essentially cutting the GPU clock down to 400 mhz instead of 700.

I noticed it only after enabling a utility (EVGA precision) and using the in game-OSD to watch my shader clock/core clock/memory clock on the GPU...

I'm now getting 60-70 fps in most situations in game on ultra.
our deeds have traveled far what we have been is what we are - Dream Theater - SFAM
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 08:56 GMT
#552
Glad you solved the problem. It seems like an odd driver issue though :|

I'll make sure to remember that it can happen o_o
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
March 20 2010 21:33 GMT
#553
Using a macbook Normal not a pro using bootcamp to run windows and im getting 10-13 fps everything low even at the home screen, is this strange? the games unplayable.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 21:34 GMT
#554
No it isn't. Just about all Macbooks and even some Macbook pros are horribly underpowered when it comes to gaming.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Pplusad
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany9 Posts
March 20 2010 21:34 GMT
#555
On March 20 2010 17:35 Xaanix wrote:
seems you were right, i had a driver issue which had my graphics card running at 2d speeds while in 3d games. This was essentially cutting the GPU clock down to 400 mhz instead of 700.

I noticed it only after enabling a utility (EVGA precision) and using the in game-OSD to watch my shader clock/core clock/memory clock on the GPU...

I'm now getting 60-70 fps in most situations in game on ultra.




E8500 3,8ghz oc + a 285GTX or whatever u had is waaay faster than 40fps
was to write about u probably having a driver issue with your video card
but seems u solved it

------------------------------
to the guy with the 250GTS who has medicore framerate and cant play on ultra.
The 250GTS is basically a very slightly tweaked 9800GTX which is from March 2008

So the 250GTs basically is a 2year old grafik card with some minor tweaks.
would not really be surprised if u have troubles with that on ultra settings.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
March 20 2010 21:37 GMT
#556
Actually it is surprising, since the 9800GTX is a powerful card which should have very little problems running the game at Ultra. It might not be as high end as it used to be, but it should still get 50-60 FPS depending on the resolution. Just because the GPU itself is old does not mean it cannot perform well. The Nvidia GTS 250/9800GTX is on par with with the ATi HD 4850, so it should not have problems.

And then again, the 9800GTX is just an 8800GTX with a die shrink right?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
March 20 2010 21:53 GMT
#557
On March 21 2010 06:34 FragKrag wrote:
No it isn't. Just about all Macbooks and even some Macbook pros are horribly underpowered when it comes to gaming.

FML gotta wait for some more money to get a new comp from scratch, but im wondering if 3d monitors are gonna even be useful for sc2 or even in the future. Or i can wait for the mac version of the beta and hope it runs MUCH MUCH better which i kinda doubt but then i'll have to use a one button mouse since the razer lachesis dont have mac support and the mouse just becomes a spastic ( no offence)
FML .
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 23:06:20
March 20 2010 23:04 GMT
#558
So, I've decided to try and build my own computer for the very first time. In the past 2 weeks or so I've done a lot of research, feel like I've learnt a lot ^^ I wanna get a pretty high-end gaming computer. I have the money for it, and want to play all current games, not just starcraft 2.
Still fairly new to all this though, so have a few questions:

CPUs - I keep on switching back and forth on which one to get. The current contenders being the i5 750, i7 860 and i7 920. There's a lot of talk in this thread on the 750 and then 920, but what are your opinions on the i7 860? It has a very similar price to the i7 920, but pretty much every benchmark and review I've read shows it outperforming the 920 fairly convincingly in most categories (eg - here). Hell, even the i5 750 outperforms the 920 on a few categories where hyper threading isn't really used. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the LGA 1156 CPUs have more aggressive turbo boosting or something? Can't seem to remember exactly. Maybe I'm talking bollocks.
Obviously the big difference is that the 860 is on the 1156 socket rather then the 1366, but what does that actually boil down to? Obviously there's the dual channel vs triple channel ram...but what else? Is the 1366 more future proof? Should that really be a concern?
I just found myself leaning more towards the 860. The 920 would end up the most expensive due to 1366 motherboard prices plus the triple channel ram. But wondered if the 860 is a bad choice seeing as I don't see it talked about nearly as much.
I don't plan on doing any overclocking or any such shenanigans if that comes in to it.

Motherboards - I have to admit, I probably find this part the most bewildering. There's so many of them. I don't really know where to start. I know as much as getting a compatible one with the CPU, but after that I'm a little lost. There's so many, and I don't even know half of the stuff listed on the rundown of what's on the motherboard. Should I just go for the cheapest compatible one? Any words of advice?

One thing I don't really get is the whole expansion slot thing.
Example - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173451
Expansion Slots
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16)
1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (@x4 mode, 2.5GT/s)
2 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 (2.5GT/s)
3 x PCI


Orrrr a 1366 motherboard - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161061
Expansion Slots

3 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (at x16/x16/x4 mode)
1 x PCIe x1
2 x PCI


PCIe being graphics card slots right? What's the difference between PCIe 2.0 x16 and PCI Express 2.0 x1. What does the '@x4 mode' mean? The whole expansion slot jargon is still over my head. But feel this is one of the more vital parts of choosing a motherboard, so wanna make sure I get it

One more question for now....I'd need my computer to be wireless compatible. It's the only option in my flat, the only phone socket is in my flatmates room. I'd need to get a wireless adapter card to fit in a PCI slot of the motherboard right? Something like this?

Anyway, big wall of text there. I do ramble on a tad. Hope you don't mind answering some of these newbish questions. Thanks once again for this most awesome thread Fragkrag, it helps a lot!
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 23:27:17
March 20 2010 23:24 GMT
#559
the 1366 cpus are generally noted to OC better on sotck volts than 1156 though if you increase the volts on 1156 you can get comparable OCs. the main difference between 1366 and 1156 is 1366 has more pci-e lanes (?) and so is better for multi-gpu setups. the 1366 will also house the flagship 980X for the forseeable future as well as probably the cheaper 6 cores.

1156 is not a bad option. if you care about power consumption aka if you like to leave your computer on all day 1156 consumes less energy than 1366 both at idle and load. performance-wise i highly doubt you'll notice a difference between 1156 and 1366 the only difference being you will be able to afford a nicer 1156 mobo for considerably less than a 1366 mobo.

pcie x4 x8 x16 are just a measure of available bandwidth if i remember correctly. pcie 1.1 x 16 (or 2.0 x8) should do well for most but ideally you'll be wanting pcie 2.0 x16 (either way there's only about a 8-10% performance difference). i think there's a 2.1 now but i dont think any cards come close to being bottlenecked by 2.0 x16 yet.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
geostorm
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada9 Posts
March 21 2010 07:58 GMT
#560
Haha thanks for the continued input. Still trying to figure it out.

How do you troubelshoot oddities? Yikes.
Meow
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