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Kimera757
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada129 Posts
November 04 2007 20:43 GMT
#41
Freelander:
I only know one thing my friend.


Nay. Link/evidence: http://eu.starcraft2.com/images/artwork/ss52-hires.jpg
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thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 20:51:52
November 04 2007 20:51 GMT
#42
Damn dawg, the Protoss were created by/from (not really sure) the Xel'naga, they didn't evolve.
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 21:08:31
November 04 2007 21:03 GMT
#43
It states in the SC manual that the Protoss "were incredibly adaptable to harsh natural conditions and climates" which could imply they have no trouble taking in light wavelengths that any species we know of would be damaged by. I'm not a bio buff but just a thought.

The other thing we should probably consider is that the Protoss don't necessarily have to absorb light in the same way plants that we know of do. Heck, you are basing your assumptions on life forms we have on Earth. There are a number of things that suggest the Protoss don't really fall into any category that we know of. For example:

- Do you see what happens when a High Templar or Zealot dies? They kind of just disappear in a wisp of blue smoke or kind of phase out or something.
- Have you ever seen a Protoss bleed?
- Psionic abilities.

While plants on Earth don't really "bleed" either they still generally have some kind of fluid that will sort of bleed out if they are cut. Still, as far as I know there is no known life form that does what a Protoss does when it dies. Lastly, they have psionic abilities that could let them potentially manipulate things (like light perhaps?) to have different properties than we know of or could understand. Heck, the sheer existence of psionic abilities already puts them outside the realm of any life forms we know of hence we probably shouldn't be looking to life on Earth to make assumptions about the Protoss.

That said, this is certainly an interesting conversation.

Edit: Also, was just thinking about the creation of Archons. Perhaps the Protoss are made partially of some kind of energy like the Archons? Then they change over to even more of an energy form when becoming an Archon. Or in the case of Tassadar, he made himself and his ship into what looked like a huge energy ball.
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Kimera757
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada129 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 21:19:59
November 04 2007 21:12 GMT
#44
Protoss actually can bleed. Their blood played a minor plot point in Firstborn (one wrote a message in blood), and a bleeding Protoss was portrayed on the cover of one of the crappy (but official) StarCraft expansions; either Insurrection or Retribution.

In fact, in Firstborn, when a Protoss dies, the Terrans were able to store her body without having to deal with a blue explosion. It may have to do with how a Protoss dies, though, although the Protoss in question was wounded (eg they didn't just die of sickness or something else non-violent).

I think Blizzard doesn't really know how to deal with this issue; hopefully, this will be cleared up in StarCraft II's manual.

I expect Archons will be explained in Shadow Hunters. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the Protoss were surprised by the creation of the first Archons. I don't believe Protoss are energy beings naturally, but (given sufficient psionic power) can undergo a metamorphosis into "living psionic energy". Protoss can't do this individually, but two powerful psychics (that's High Templar) working together are capable of it.

Making things more confusing:

Adun's fate is one of the most controversial questions in the StarCraft universe. Some say he died a hero, defending his people and blazing like a star. Others say he was a tragic victim of the fear and prejudice that had sprung up between the dark templar and the rest of the Protoss people. Still others say that he burned out, struggling to contain psionic energies far beyond what his body could contain. We do know that some time after his death, a prophecy arose that one day he would return to the Protoss people. If you're interested in further details of Adun's life, you might enjoy the upcoming novel StarCraft: Shadow Hunters by Christie Golden (book 2 of the Dark Templar Saga).


Adun was powerful enough to blaze out? Maybe he was powerful enough to turn into an Archon by himself (and maybe he didn't deliberately do this). Of course, that's speculation, but we'll find out in a month.

http://www.sclegacy.com/content/interviews-6/scl-metzen-interview---lore-exclusive-28/

Thoraxe:

Damn dawg, the Protoss were created by/from (not really sure) the Xel'naga, they didn't evolve.


Nope. The manual disagrees with you.

Despairing at last, the Xel’Naga focused their frustrated efforts on the most promising of their engineered worlds. Aiur, a massive jungle-world on the galaxy’s fringe, had borne a race of highly advanced beings.


The Xel'Naga altered Aiur, left to mess around with other species, then came back and found the Protoss, who already had purity of form.
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
November 04 2007 21:25 GMT
#45
About the pale skin, that could just mean that the Protoss absorb other wavelengths, just not what we call the visibile spectrum. The atmoshphere on Aiur might not filter out higher energy radiation, like ours does, so things like ultraviolet, X-rays, maybe even gamma rays could be the best energy source. As for hunting, maybe they hunted creatures that gave off radiation as they died (I don't know why that would come about, but you never know what Aiur was like).
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 04 2007 21:29 GMT
#46
On November 05 2007 02:05 XMShake wrote:
If plantoss are autotrophs, my firebats should do more damage to them.


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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 21:34:17
November 04 2007 21:34 GMT
#47
Apparently Protoss do have DNA as revealed in the secret mission, so its unlikely that they're not carbon based and that they can sustain anything too much stronger the visible spectrum
hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-05 00:47:00
November 04 2007 21:53 GMT
#48
its a good theory.
but.
its the future. its another race. etc.
and even if that is true -in the starcraft world- protoss are another race.
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
November 04 2007 22:28 GMT
#49
good read!
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 22:34:09
November 04 2007 22:31 GMT
#50
Protoss are not evolved, they were artificially made by Xel-Naga
And Let's say Xel-Naga build these mega awesome photon absorbing battieries which protoss go to to recharge their energy, instead of each protoss unit individually harvest energies.

All these are not subjected to gradual evolutionary pressure because they were made by design, happened over night, and once the system is set up, it is pretty much stable and self-sustaining. They don't need long time to evolve to advanced psych or mega polar bateries, Xel-Naga sat their world up already.

Oh yeah like other's said, they might absorb Xray
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 22:34:31
November 04 2007 22:33 GMT
#51
On November 05 2007 07:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Protoss are not evolved, they were artificially made by Xel-Naga
And Let's say Xel-Naga build these mega awesome photon absorbing battieries which protoss go to to recharge their energy, instead of each protoss unit individually harvest energies.

All these are not subjected to gradual evolutionary pressure because they were made by design, happened over night, and once the system is set up, it is pretty much stable and self-sustaining. They don't need long time to evolve to advanced psych or mega polar bateries, Xel-Naga sat their world up already.


That's directly contradicted by the SC manual and the books, which say that the Protoss were already physiologically fully evolved by the time the Xel-Naga turned their attention to them.
Even so, I think that Blizzard will just ignore that and say "The Xel-Naga did it" because it pretty much solves everything. :[
But it is not a satisfactory response, it's like just saying 'God did it'.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
November 04 2007 22:52 GMT
#52
On November 05 2007 05:06 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2007 05:01 freelander wrote:
On November 05 2007 03:32 gakkgakk wrote:
You are missing the bigger issue with protoss being plant: how do they reproduce?


I only know one thing my friend.
+ Show Spoiler +
All female protoss have tits!

Rofl, that one is 100% wrong by Blizzard considering this answer!

Or do their tits shoot photons at the babies?


LOOOOL
Chodorkovskiy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Israel459 Posts
November 04 2007 23:00 GMT
#53
Carrots don't become advanced sentient species. However, If I was an advanced species, I'd probably switch to autotrophism. That accounts for both Protoss evolution and their current state of oh my God Blizzard has monkey typing up its lore in a basement somewhere...
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 23:45:13
November 04 2007 23:44 GMT
#54
I think you guys are missing an important point here. For the protoss to live by absorbing light, it would probably need to be in the non-visible region. The reason for this is that UV, xrays, and gamma rays carry much more energy than visible light. Sure plants can grow off normal light, but to be able to run around, and move physically, you would need significantly more energy.

My guess would be that they're skin contains nano-crystals which can absorb the light and turn it into electrical energy (such as quantum dots). From there, chemical reactions could take place. Crystals would simply scatter lower energy light, giving them a pale look.

Also, different skin color would likely signify the environment they were living in. As they are irradiated with different color light, their skin would slowly adapt to absorb and reflect different wavelengths.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-05 00:34:56
November 05 2007 00:26 GMT
#55
Seriously,

5. What do the Protoss eat? (Where do they get energy and mass?) (starcraftcz.com)
Protoss gain nutrition from sunlight, or at a pinch, moonlight (which is just reflected sunlight anyway) by absorbing through their skins. They can go for extended periods without absorbing sunlight. What little moisture they need is also absorbed through their skin.


That doesn't sound like a very protossesque thing. Blizzard confused them with Night Elf again.

Good work, Jyvblamo.

Also, what about Shakuras, home of the DTs? It wasn't a sunny place :O
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The planet was dark due to the curious "darkening" of the sun, probably due to engineering by the Xel'Naga. This seems to have been an unnatural disaster for the planet - the skeletons of previously-existing lifeforms can be found scattered over the planet. (It is unclear if these skeletons are fossils.)

There are several hypotheses concerning the strange darkness of Shakuras. One involves the "filtering" of sunlight due to a nexus of powerful psionic energies; another, more realistic theory, is that the world follows a slow rotation, keeping one half of the world darkened for very long periods of time. It has also been noted that Shakuras possesses several satellites, and their orbits-- whether natural or artificial-- may keep the world shrouded in darkness. Also, the matter may lie in the location of the Xel'Naga Temple and the Dark Templar tribes by extension, high in Shakuras' northern hemisphere, resulting in midnight sun, nautical polar night and general perpetual twilight phenomena.


http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Shakuras
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
November 05 2007 00:34 GMT
#56
On November 05 2007 06:34 azndsh wrote:
Apparently Protoss do have DNA as revealed in the secret mission, so its unlikely that they're not carbon based and that they can sustain anything too much stronger the visible spectrum
I think they can, after all, protoss (zerg, too) can go on space platforms without pressure suits or some other closed environment, unlike the terrans.
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NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
November 05 2007 01:03 GMT
#57
I understand your approach on this subject.. but ur looking way too far into it. You got to understand that they were anticipating fans of our sorts once this game was marketed. So we are left with wholes in the world of starcraft in which we must take it for what it is.

But dont get me wrong i understand your opposition unconditionlly and applaud your statement
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shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
November 05 2007 03:20 GMT
#58
Everything seems perfectly tied up with Warcraft except for the part where the Dranei crash lands on Azeroth on their inter-dimensional hovering spaceship...

I think Blizzard could use a little rewrite for their explanations for at least the manly Protoss!
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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
November 05 2007 04:20 GMT
#59
It is a shameful Protoss secret that they have an undercaste of eaters and digesters who transmit their needed energy by psionic means.

Caste Protoss are too proud to poop.
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solarwing
Profile Joined May 2007
Vietnam29 Posts
November 05 2007 04:29 GMT
#60
As we know, every lifeform, which resulted from evolution, must be able to adapt to its natural environment in order to survive and evolve. After that, native characteristics may be changed due to new condition, but at anytime that lifeform is capable of surviving by itself in its normal environment.
For example, homo-sapien loss most of its hair due to the use of clothes and shelter. Likewise, the development of human history is entirely because of the struggle for foods, which then lead to everything else such as position, wealth, etc.
So, for the Plantoss, with that need of food, should evolve the way Earth's tree did. Tree don't all of sudden grow feets and start walking around. The closest Earth's tree to the Protoss is the predator tree, which is immobile still, but is able to capture prey by its trap. Following this theory, then the Protoss should not exist at all. As in Harry Porter, the reason that they do not have spells to summon food out of thin air, because doing so will cancel all kind of evolvement and development of humanity.


Regarding the wavelength, so far human can only know, either by seeing, feeling or using devices, some wavelength lights. We cannot know if there are still other lights in the atmostphere, and may very well the Protoss absorb those lights. An official clarification from Blizzard would be great.
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