EPTThis one is a big deal for me. I sat down with arguably the greatest SC2 player of all time, Serral. We covered: The GOAT debate, lack of Code S attempts, his start in SC and more! Watch and enjoy one of my best interviews yet.
Serral "Never Felt The Need to Prove Myself in KR"
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StarcraftHistorian
United States171 Posts
This one is a big deal for me. I sat down with arguably the greatest SC2 player of all time, Serral. We covered: The GOAT debate, lack of Code S attempts, his start in SC and more! Watch and enjoy one of my best interviews yet. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1971 Posts
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
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Poopi
France13011 Posts
On July 19 2023 02:12 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Cuz he'd meet the same fate as Special and Astrea I doubt he would, zerg was super op for a long time so he could have won some GSLs like Rogue, and now that zerg is just slightly stronger the pool isn’t as deep as before. He is also far better than both of them, and even in 2019 when Reynor and Dark were better he still had a shot at the ZvZ | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 19 2023 02:12 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Cuz he'd meet the same fate as Special and Astrea Doubt Serral could royal road Code S because it's a different beast from weekenders, but it's crazy to think he wouldn't have a very good chance at winning over multiple attempts. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1971 Posts
On July 19 2023 02:12 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Cuz he'd meet the same fate as Special and Astrea nice bait. the greatest player of all time would obviously do well. | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On July 19 2023 02:16 Poopi wrote: I doubt he would, zerg was super op for a long time so he could have won some GSLs like Rogue, and now that zerg is just slightly stronger the pool isn’t as deep as before. He is also far better than both of them, and even in 2019 when Reynor and Dark were better he still had a shot at the ZvZ If Serral's peak lined up with one of the historic peaksof Patchzergs I could believe it, however, we will never know because he "doesn't care" enough to try to compete at the actual top level. All these salty people lining up to defend Serral... when even Serral wont defend Serral, cuz that would mean competing in GSL. Looks like sycophantic comedy to me. | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On July 19 2023 03:28 BreakfastBurrito wrote: If Serral's peak lined up with one of the historic peaksof Patchzergs I could believe it, however, we will never know because he "doesn't care" enough to try to compete at the actual top level. All these salty people lining up to defend Serral... when even Serral wont defend Serral, cuz that would mean competing in GSL. Looks like sycophantic comedy to me. One doesn't become world champion by not beating Koreans. Doesn't need to go on Korean territory to prove it. EDIT : I don't especially care about who wins or not, I just won't hate on somebody for the sake of it.  2018 GSL vs. the World2019 GSL vs. the WorldOh, surprise. He didn't compete in GSL, at least he faced them on Korean soil. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On July 19 2023 02:12 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Cuz he'd meet the same fate as Special and Astrea Reynor would be a better comparison. | ||
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Glorfindelio
228 Posts
On July 19 2023 03:28 BreakfastBurrito wrote: If Serral's peak lined up with one of the historic peaksof Patchzergs I could believe it, however, we will never know because he "doesn't care" enough to try to compete at the actual top level. All these salty people lining up to defend Serral... when even Serral wont defend Serral, cuz that would mean competing in GSL. Looks like sycophantic comedy to me. Show me on this doll where Serral touched you. You'll get through this. On a serious note, this has been really cool content, keep em coming! It's interesting to see players' perspective on a variety of topics. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
right and I think he went 0-4 last time he played in GSL | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On July 19 2023 03:49 Philippe wrote: One doesn't become world champion by not beating Koreans. Doesn't need to go on Korean territory to prove it. EDIT : I don't especially care about who wins or not, I just won't hate on somebody for the sake of it. 2018 GSL vs. the World2019 GSL vs. the WorldOh, surprise. He didn't compete in GSL, at least he faced them on Korean soil. Hating on somebody for the sake of it? The video brought up a GOAT discussion, which I don't believe is Serral. But I guess because I don't agree with you, I'm a hater, right? Lol. At least you tried to argue with facts, until your ad hominem anyway. As for the tourneys you posted, which, for starters, are from 4 and 5 years ago... There was a qualifier and voting component, like for ex. Inno in one of those tourneys was voted in rather than qualifying iirc. And the whole thing is just a few rounds, there's about as much sc2 here as the neutered GSL from a season ago. So I don't discard it, but this doesn't mark Serral as the GOAT to me. I never said Serral was some chobo either, but "alternative universe Serral who grew up in KR w/ the same skills" would be regarded at about Dark or Solar level or something like that, not sc2 GOAT... Serral plays online (vs offline tourney) much more often than top KR players and beats up on ppl like Elazer all the time for free points, it's inflationary. Like seriously imagine Serral plays every GSL for a year and Maru moves to EU and plays every online cup and no GSL, whose Aligulac will rise and whose will fall? Lastly, Blizz patched this game tons of times, either their balancing was not competent, or they were giving in to illegitimate pressure from balance whiners. That isn't Serrals's fault at all, but it doesn't do good things for having a GOAT discussion one way or the other, unfortunately | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On July 19 2023 04:22 AzAlexZ wrote: right and I think he went 0-4 last time he played in GSL Yep. I think Serral would do better, since he's got less of an ego and would realize he needed to adjust things. But the lengthy preparation time would be quite different from the other tournaments he's been in. That said, with the total number of players in GSL down so far, I'm happy to have fewer non-Koreans taking up slots. | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On July 19 2023 04:34 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Hating on somebody for the sake of it? The video brought up a GOAT discussion, which I don't believe is Serral. But I guess because I don't agree with you, I'm a hater, right? Lol. At least you tried to argue with facts, until your ad hominem anyway. As for the tourneys you posted, which, for starters, are from 4 and 5 years ago... There was a qualifier and voting component, like for ex. Inno in one of those tourneys was voted in rather than qualifying iirc. And the whole thing is just a few rounds, there's about as much sc2 here as the neutered GSL from a season ago. So I don't discard it, but this doesn't mark Serral as the GOAT to me. I never said Serral was some chobo either, but "alternative universe Serral who grew up in KR w/ the same skills" would be regarded at about Dark or Solar level or something like that, not sc2 GOAT... Serral plays online (vs offline tourney) much more often than top KR players and beats up on ppl like Elazer all the time for free points, it's inflationary. Like seriously imagine Serral plays every GSL for a year and Maru moves to EU and plays every online cup and no GSL, whose Aligulac will rise and whose will fall? Lastly, Blizz patched this game tons of times, either their balancing was not competent, or they were giving in to illegitimate pressure from balance whiners. That isn't Serrals's fault at all, but it doesn't do good things for having a GOAT discussion one way or the other, unfortunately Bluntly put, I went the ad hominem route because you went for one-liners in your arguing. If you did detail first why you think Serral is no GOAT, I wouldn't even have flinched. I don't mind a bit of aggressiveness, but reading that : All these salty people lining up to defend Serral... when even Serral wont defend Serral, cuz that would mean competing in GSL. Looks like sycophantic comedy to me. Not even surprised some are overreacting. Frankly, why there isn't even a debate in the first place. Each user has his own personal GOAT, I'm just appreciating the games as they are. | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On July 19 2023 05:01 Philippe wrote: Bluntly put, I went the ad hominem route because you went for one-liners in your arguing. If you did detail first why you think Serral is no GOAT, I wouldn't even have flinched. I don't mind a bit of aggressiveness, but reading that : Not even surprised some are overreacting. Frankly, why there isn't even a debate in the first place. Each user has his own personal GOAT, I'm just appreciating the games as they are. Yeah that's fair criticism. If I make a flippant comment it's wise to expect one in return. One thing is definitely true, GSL vs the World was hype times, I wish we got more of those. | ||
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Itsxjoeyy
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Philippe
354 Posts
On July 19 2023 06:51 Itsxjoeyy wrote: anyone who says serral isn't the goat is kidding themselves..."oh he doesn't play GSL"....well what happens when he plays the top players from GSL? more often times than not he destroys them..."GSL is different than a weekender". bullshit. for 2 reasons..1: every player in a weekender is playing under the same conditions. 2: when talking about the GOAT..theres no excuses, if u play in a tournament you either get it done or you don't, point blank period. All the Maru fanboys have no excuse serral is just better than him. same goes for rogue/dark/hero/stats etc. stop making excuses and recognize serral is the best player in sc2 history. To make it fair on both sides, I'll also chime on this. I'm not a fan on anybody from a specific region, I'll respect the achievements. Not using F-words to demean by the same way as to defend somebody else. Serral might be the number one in total prize pool, but it's not 100 percent sure he is the best in the global events, both him and Rogue have two Global Finals/IEM wins (Rogue might even have three if I also count IEM Season XII in 2018, but I don't know if it really counts as such). Should the best be defined by being as consistent over a longer period of time ? It should rather be Maru then. Would there have been that debate in the case his style was not so great (speaking about Bly-levels of sheaningans) ? I'll only name a GOAT if the number of Major/Premier trophies of the player are head and shoulders above everybody else in history, which is not the case just yet. If SC2 is still there beyond this season and one gets a 3rd or 4th IEM, then maybe. Circling back to the title, what does count is whether he's happy or not with the choice he made not trying a regular season of GSL, regardless of the reasons. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27228 Posts
Serral has, or at least had the highest winrate vS Korean players ever, and he usually only played the better tier of players who made it to international tournaments. He wouldn’t be a lock but to say he wouldn’t have a shot at Code S is daft. Frankly it feels like it’s flipped now from a few years ago, where Code S needs Serral for legitimacy much more than Serral needs it. ‘Needs’ being a strong word I still enjoy it as a tournament but it’s so shorn of championship tier players nowadays. Can anyone seriously say that Maru going G6L (and no doubt behind) was anything remotely close to his quadruple or the quest for the G5L? | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary492 Posts
On July 19 2023 03:28 BreakfastBurrito wrote: If Serral's peak lined up with one of the historic peaksof Patchzergs I could believe it, however, we will never know because he "doesn't care" enough to try to compete at the actual top level. All these salty people lining up to defend Serral... when even Serral wont defend Serral, cuz that would mean competing in GSL. Looks like sycophantic comedy to me. He said years ago plain and simple that playing in GSL is not profitable enough. In the end its his decision to stay in Korea for months, or not. | ||
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