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GSL starts Patreon to crowdfund prize pool

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Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
April 25 2023 18:38 GMT
#1
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www.patreon.com/GSL


AfreecaTV have started a crowdfunding program on Patreon in order to supplement the GSL prize pool. The Patreon offers a variety of benefits to supporters, the most notable of which are match replays from the GSL. For the first day of Code S, replays were released within hours of the stream's conclusion.

GSL commentator State said that 100% of the Patreon funds would go toward the tournament prize pool.

AfreecaTV are also providing similar benefits to viewers who purchase the platform's internal currency of "Star Balloons." The conversation ratio for Star Balloons is 10 Star Balloons to $1 USD (may differ by region).

AfreecaTV included a statement on their Patreon page, addressing the need for crowdfunding due to GSL's drastic contraction in 2023.

We are GSL. We've been running a successful league for 14 years.

All of these successes and footprints were possible because of your support. Thank you again for your great support.

We are fully aware of your concerns and regrets about the reduction in the size of GSL prize money and competition this year.

In addition, we recognized there is a need for crowdfunding.

Accordingly, GSL hopes to take the next step which will create together with you.

Your help will be a great support in leading GSL this year and in the future. We also prepared rewards based on the sponsorship.

Compared to your support for 14 years, it's not enough reward, but we'll be a GSL step forward with you.

Thank you.
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-25 18:46:47
April 25 2023 18:43 GMT
#2
Crowfunding for prize pool make me sad.... I m too old for understand but isn t advertising which are supposed to pay prizepool ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
April 25 2023 18:48 GMT
#3
On April 26 2023 03:43 Vision_ wrote:
Crowfunding for prize pool make me sad....

Do you have a better idear?
One that is actually prcticall and doable in 2023.

Redesignign the entire game like you proposed multiple Times allready isn t going to happen. There is no manpower at Blizzard that even knows how to do that
MaxPax
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-25 18:52:46
April 25 2023 18:51 GMT
#4
to be honest, it was nice living off the loose change that fell out of Blizzard's pocket
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muppet70
Profile Joined January 2017
Sweden72 Posts
April 25 2023 19:31 GMT
#5
On April 26 2023 03:43 Vision_ wrote:
Crowfunding for prize pool make me sad.... I m too old for understand but isn t advertising which are supposed to pay prizepool ?


That was never the case, blizzard shelled up for most of the prize money.
Its possible that the situation was different in the brood war era but I dont know.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 25 2023 19:48 GMT
#6
I understand, I really do. But this makes me extremely sad.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
April 25 2023 20:18 GMT
#7
Be Gone sadness!

I look at it this way:

I have enjoyed watching free SC content for what seems like my whole life.

Now its still free, but I see this as a chance for me to give back and in a way say thanks for all the content which has filled my soul all these years. Every Tastosis joke and marine split over the years.

Considering that, I think I will give 5 - 10 dollars a year at least. I hope lots of others can do the same and it adds up.

SC is a community, not just a consumer base :D

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 25 2023 20:22 GMT
#8
On April 26 2023 05:18 Danka wrote:
Be Gone sadness!

I look at it this way:

I have enjoyed watching free SC content for what seems like my whole life.

Now its still free, but I see this as a chance for me to give back and in a way say thanks for all the content which has filled my soul all these years. Every Tastosis joke and marine split over the years.

Considering that, I think I will give 5 - 10 dollars a year at least. I hope lots of others can do the same and it adds up.

SC is a community, not just a consumer base :D



here's TL+ as a gift for monetarily supporting the SC2 products you enjoy
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 25 2023 20:54 GMT
#9
I will be sure to send them a few bucks!

Ps: I wish they didn't said the 100% into the prize pool thing, I wouldn't mind paying for the staff and stuff if they can't go on without it.
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klipik12
Profile Joined March 2012
United States241 Posts
April 25 2023 20:56 GMT
#10
This feels like a return to an older era, GSL has gone PPV in the past after all.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-25 21:49:47
April 25 2023 21:49 GMT
#11
On April 26 2023 03:51 Waxangel wrote:
to be honest, it was nice living off the loose change that fell out of Blizzard's pocket


to be honest, it IS nice living off the loose change that fell out of Team Liquid's pocket
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Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
April 26 2023 00:04 GMT
#12
I mean, it sucks that it can't be paid for with ads and sponsorships but at the same time, it's not gonna kill me to donate 10 or 20 dollars at the beginning of every season. That's lunch at Del Taco for a day or two, easy peasy.
luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States114 Posts
April 26 2023 00:32 GMT
#13
this is so sad i almost rather stop watching sc2 altogether and just have 2023 iem be the glorious and respectful conclusion sc deserves, instead of watching the scene wither away into atrophy. to everyone else surprised, i dont think the unit economics of sc2 has made sense since like 2017 tbh, it was always heavily subsidized. That said I will give this year, but unlikely indefinitely going forward.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
April 26 2023 02:08 GMT
#14
It's all for the players prize pool, so I don't really mind directly supporting the players, but I just can't see how a player could ever sustain themselves off of the peanuts of GSLs prize pool. Even winning 1st place ($7500 USD) every single season would likely not equate to minimum wage. If you got top 4 every season you would not even have $10,000 USD.

Sort of ridiculous to think they probably are making more money from weekly cups than GSL.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
April 26 2023 03:16 GMT
#15
Already at $5K after less than a day, nice.
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Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
April 26 2023 03:17 GMT
#16
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
April 26 2023 03:22 GMT
#17
On April 26 2023 12:17 Seeker wrote:
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><


congrats
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
April 26 2023 03:26 GMT
#18
On April 26 2023 12:17 Seeker wrote:
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><


congrats
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-26 04:00:10
April 26 2023 03:55 GMT
#19
I subbed to the $30 tier to support GSL and KR players.

I'm underwhelmed at this kinda sad Patreon though. For one it's completely insane that it doesn't actually say anywhere on the Patreon itself that 100% of the money goes to prize pool. I'm trusting State/Tasteless of course but that needs to be added to the actual Patreon somewhere asap. In addition to this it should explain in detail how the money will be split. What percentage of money raised goes to each placement in the event.

The tiers are poorly thought out. The fact that there's no tier equivalent to the $10-$15/month cost of a typical streaming service is mind boggling.

The whole YouTube/Afreeca controversy was poorly planned and I feel like that took some of the wind out of the sails of this Patreon. If they wanted to do that they should have announced it weeks ago and have the controversy mostly over before the Patreon launch.

The rewards are pretty disappointing. At least the $1,000/month tier should get merch or something big. If they don't want any physical items tied to the Patreon even something like the chance to choose player interview questions for the higher tiers would be cool. Or for the 1k tier a chance to play 2v2s with a pro and fan on each team. There's a lot of unique rewards they could do even if they've ruled out physical merch. Hopefully they're planning to launch a merch shop separate from this for additional funds.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-26 05:24:19
April 26 2023 05:06 GMT
#20
On April 26 2023 12:17 Seeker wrote:
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><

Congrats

Also the patreon is at 5k allready.
That means after 1 day they raised 60k for the entire year.
With the original total pricepool beeing 25k x 3 the comunity has almost doubled it allready
MaxPax
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
April 26 2023 10:09 GMT
#21
The tiers could be further optimised for sure, but I think this is a great idea. It lets people who want to support the content show their support, without putting everything behind a paywall for those who don't want to pay/can't afford it.
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AxiomB
Profile Joined August 2016
69 Posts
April 26 2023 10:38 GMT
#22
I love you all and will try to the $30 one. LONG LIVE SC2! <3
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
April 26 2023 15:30 GMT
#23
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
466 Posts
April 26 2023 15:42 GMT
#24
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.


If 100% of the donated funds go to the prizepool, it all goes to the players. I think it's a good thing, and considering they did put on a fantastic show for 14 years, give them some credit. The only thing I don't like is how they cucked their youtube broadcast.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
April 26 2023 17:29 GMT
#25
Its not much, but i went for the $5 membership. But I think I will increase to 30 in a couple of month after parental leave is over

I almost feel ashamed i didnt go for the $30 immideately since I have enjoyed sc2 so much for so long. However, i will not say its been "for free" since i have been consistently subbing and donating to many people.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-26 17:57:42
April 26 2023 17:56 GMT
#26
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook.

How so? Is Netflix free? Disney+? Spotify?... etc etc.

I for my part feel privileged to have received so much free entertainment over the last 14 years and will definitely do my part in giving back.
They (hopefully) won't keep the crowdfund money in their pockets so the purpose of the crowdfund is just to ensure our favorite players can keep making a living out of this, and the show can go on.
This is not about Afreeca but about the survival of the scene
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 27 2023 00:44 GMT
#27
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.


How exactly are they strongarming the viewers? It's completely optional and doesn't impact the viewership at all.

And without it, look at what happened to the GSL. Most likely without it this is the last year of GSL. With this there might be a chance.
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Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
220 Posts
April 27 2023 03:19 GMT
#28
Can't say it's ideal, but definitely worth to wring every bit of Starcraft out of the proverbial orange while we can. Count me in--really great to see the support the community's been willing to offer so far. Every bit counts!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
April 27 2023 03:44 GMT
#29
Somebody has mentioned that doing this has actually now HURT Afreeca viewership because now streamer get the replay pack from Patreon and will cast it on Twitch/Youtube immediately.
EidamProtoss
Profile Joined July 2021
Czech Republic3 Posts
April 27 2023 07:22 GMT
#30
What I don't understand (and wondered about since SC remaster) is why Afreeca isn't trying to advertise for foreign viewers. Koreans do not give a f**k about SC2, foreign viewers do. So why not target foreign viewers with English ads in the English streams? Isn't there (way?) more non-Korean viewers than Korean?
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1100 Posts
April 27 2023 08:15 GMT
#31
I remember being subscribed to GommTV's GSL website and being able to watch the VODs in FULL 720p. I loved the way the website was laid out showing the brackets and all the possible games in spoiler tags so that even if a bo5 was one sided, you didn't know that until you clicked each possible match spoiler tag to reveal the VOD player.


I know GSL and sc2 isn't in the best of health atm, so £5 a month to join Code-A seems like a decent enough deal to me, I'll probably continue to watch vods on youtube because I'm lazy... but happy to give back (again) to the tournament I've been watching since 2010
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
April 27 2023 08:26 GMT
#32
At the time of writing this, there is 482 patrons with $12.2k per month. Assuming that it goes on for the rest of the year, about 8 months, this means that they have raised close to $100k for all of GSL this year for the prizepool alone? That is freaking amazing.

Any news on how they plan to divide that up?
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
April 27 2023 12:48 GMT
#33
I signed up for the 5 USD tier with the intention to keep it for a year, but I don't think I'll stay subbed unless they remove their stupid youtube overlay. I'm old and busy, sometimes the only time I have to catch some Starcraft is in public transports on my phone. I refuse to use their garbage platform when youtube works perfectly well on mobile devices.
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
April 27 2023 15:22 GMT
#34
It would be cool if they dropped their youtube frame saying Afreeca is the best viewing experience, when it seems foreigners are pretty much funding their prize pool now. Afreeca is not as good as twitch or youtube it is not the best viewing experience
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InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
April 27 2023 18:59 GMT
#35
Does anyone know what the player profile pictures are?
Cereal
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2583 Posts
April 27 2023 19:25 GMT
#36
On April 28 2023 00:22 Mutaller wrote:
It would be cool if they dropped their youtube frame saying Afreeca is the best viewing experience, when it seems foreigners are pretty much funding their prize pool now. Afreeca is not as good as twitch or youtube it is not the best viewing experience

Are you actually still seeing that? I just spent a chunk of my evening watching GSL vods on YouTube and didn't see any with this frame that people are talking about.
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knotfun
Profile Joined July 2019
41 Posts
April 27 2023 22:44 GMT
#37
On April 26 2023 12:55 JJH777 wrote:
I subbed to the $30 tier to support GSL and KR players.

I'm underwhelmed at this kinda sad Patreon though. For one it's completely insane that it doesn't actually say anywhere on the Patreon itself that 100% of the money goes to prize pool. I'm trusting State/Tasteless of course but that needs to be added to the actual Patreon somewhere asap. In addition to this it should explain in detail how the money will be split. What percentage of money raised goes to each placement in the event.

The tiers are poorly thought out. The fact that there's no tier equivalent to the $10-$15/month cost of a typical streaming service is mind boggling.

The whole YouTube/Afreeca controversy was poorly planned and I feel like that took some of the wind out of the sails of this Patreon. If they wanted to do that they should have announced it weeks ago and have the controversy mostly over before the Patreon launch.

The rewards are pretty disappointing. At least the $1,000/month tier should get merch or something big. If they don't want any physical items tied to the Patreon even something like the chance to choose player interview questions for the higher tiers would be cool. Or for the 1k tier a chance to play 2v2s with a pro and fan on each team. There's a lot of unique rewards they could do even if they've ruled out physical merch. Hopefully they're planning to launch a merch shop separate from this for additional funds.


you're completely right, it's all very low effort and rushed out. it wasnt that hard, come on Afreeca...
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 27 2023 23:06 GMT
#38
On April 26 2023 12:17 Seeker wrote:
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><

Dayum Seeker, congrats!
Mine gas, build tanks.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
April 27 2023 23:43 GMT
#39
On April 26 2023 12:17 Seeker wrote:
Just purchased the G5L $1000 membership! The StarCraft gods have sent me a message. They truly want me to be at this LIVE semi-finals/grand finals event. I am heading to Korea on the 6th because my wedding is on the 13th. How fucking amazing is it that I get to watch the game that I love with all my heart, with my new wife?! ><

Congrats on both feats!!


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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
April 28 2023 14:51 GMT
#40
On April 28 2023 03:59 InfCereal wrote:
Does anyone know what the player profile pictures are?

Same question.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-28 19:20:21
April 28 2023 19:18 GMT
#41
Seriously..?

haha.. ok, wow
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tlnetuser108
Profile Joined October 2022
83 Posts
April 29 2023 07:22 GMT
#42
Why is there only a limited spots for the G5L? Shouldn't that one have unlimited spots?
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
479 Posts
April 29 2023 17:03 GMT
#43
I kinda get some of the complaints about the "rewards" on the patreon support. I agree it could have been MUCH better. However, apart from that, whats the issue? Why are some people upset? I mean, its your choice. I choose to join it, because i love sc2. And if you dont want to contribute, then dont. So....
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 29 2023 17:51 GMT
#44
On April 30 2023 02:03 aringadingding wrote:
I kinda get some of the complaints about the "rewards" on the patreon support. I agree it could have been MUCH better. However, apart from that, whats the issue? Why are some people upset? I mean, its your choice. I choose to join it, because i love sc2. And if you dont want to contribute, then dont. So....

People like being upset.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-01 05:59:20
May 01 2023 05:56 GMT
#45
Great idea. Even when "few" people donate it all adds up to a big increase. How much is it monthly at the moment?

ESL should do the same. Every penny is great at this point
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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
May 02 2023 17:52 GMT
#46
i dont get why people should be upset they should be thankful that there are people out there that are willing to contribute their own money to see their hobby or interest should be successful nothing wrong in that, so whats there to be upset about?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 02 2023 19:45 GMT
#47
This is a bummer, but not unsurprising.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-02 21:01:55
May 02 2023 20:57 GMT
#48
What are the player profiles pictures?

I'm really happy to see the Patreon is so successful so far!! Doubling the prize pool is already HUGE, imagine first place winning $18k instead of $9k or whatever, that's way more sustainable. Not high but still a big help for sure.

Holy crap it's at $12,500 a month right now, that means we're getting like $150k more prize pool a year, $50k more a season...!!! We already TRIPLED the GSL prize pool!!! That means first place will win like $21k instead of $7500, meaning GSL prize pools will be close to what they were in 2022!!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
May 03 2023 01:03 GMT
#49
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.


Dude it's optional. They put this out here, in a hurry btw, because we asked them to, because the community asked to help donate to increase the prize pool because the truth is that GSL's prize pool is unsustainable for the players playing it and they will quit because it's not enough.

Afreeca isn't a huge company, they can't afford to give out the prize pools they did before on their own, SC2 in Korea isn't popular, it can't survive without foreign fan support.

The choices are this, you can either get more involved, or you can do nothing. No one is forcing you to get involved. But without more fan support like this Patreon, and it doesn't just HAVE to be this Patreon there are dozens of other ways you can support the players individually like you even alluded to, but without fan support GSL will not survive much longer. It was Blizzard's money that was keeping it going and that isn't coming back.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
May 03 2023 04:08 GMT
#50
While I'm happy with the dollar amount I'm kind of sad about the number of people who have joined this. Group A vod on YouTube has over 60k views and yet only 700 patrons. That's barely over 1% of viewers. I hoped at least 5-10% of viewers would be willing to offer support. I know the Patreon isn't the best and voiced my thoughts on improvements earlier but still thought there'd get more participation. I don't think 12k+ monthly support is sustainable from 700 people.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3505 Posts
May 03 2023 04:38 GMT
#51
On May 03 2023 13:08 JJH777 wrote:
While I'm happy with the dollar amount I'm kind of sad about the number of people who have joined this. Group A vod on YouTube has over 60k views and yet only 700 patrons. That's barely over 1% of viewers. I hoped at least 5-10% of viewers would be willing to offer support. I know the Patreon isn't the best and voiced my thoughts on improvements earlier but still thought there'd get more participation. I don't think 12k+ monthly support is sustainable from 700 people.

Well, there are 804 patrons now and still increasing.

How many YT views are from bots/indexers. Or from people without a credit card. Or people in the third world where spending $5USD is actually a huge deal. I don't think correlating YT views with # of patrons is important or matters.

Either way, great for Korean SC2.
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remeka
Profile Joined March 2023
19 Posts
May 03 2023 06:13 GMT
#52
On April 26 2023 05:54 Nakajin wrote:
I will be sure to send them a few bucks!

Ps: I wish they didn't said the 100% into the prize pool thing, I wouldn't mind paying for the staff and stuff if they can't go on without it.


Yes, you are taking advantage of koreans because Blizz is a really troublesome company and it will get worse in the future. Be kinder with the staff
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
May 03 2023 08:35 GMT
#53
Gsl patron almost comparable with tastosis lol. Time to start playing brood war
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knotfun
Profile Joined July 2019
41 Posts
May 03 2023 18:01 GMT
#54
On May 03 2023 17:35 MineraIs wrote:
Gsl patron almost comparable with tastosis lol. Time to start playing brood war


that patreon is totally nuts.
people spend on Tastosis almost 150.000$ a year only to CAST two tournaments (that are already available "for free" with other people casting or on Afreeca). there's zero added value to the scene, to the game and to the players for that money.

it's not like that money is keeping Brood War alive or the Afreeca tournament alive... it's all going into the commentators' pocket! The tournament would be exactly the same without that patreon.
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
May 03 2023 18:54 GMT
#55
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.


dont watch it then, but despite you complaining you will still tune in to watch lmao. so its just best to keep your mouth shut.
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moonsjde
Profile Joined October 2022
48 Posts
May 04 2023 04:28 GMT
#56
On May 04 2023 03:54 Riner1212 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2023 00:30 Nirli wrote:
Call me contrarian, but that seems absolutely unacceptable to me.
And I am rather shocked by how some people are ecstatic to participate in this.
Saying that something is "free" in 2023 is a rather naive outlook. It would make more sense if you donate to a players or even players you like, but a company such as AfreecaTV strongarming its viewers is just scummy behavior.


dont watch it then, but despite you complaining you will still tune in to watch lmao. so its just best to keep your mouth shut.

really? cause ive watched every gsl since i got into pro sc2 in 2013 and this is the first time i'm making zero effort to catch vods because of what a sad puppet show it's becoming. i don't think it's "morally wrong" that they're asking for handouts like the other guy does, but you'd be surprised how many people are going to jump ship. don't assume everyone is still tuning in just because you are!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
May 04 2023 07:57 GMT
#57
Then dont assuming "many people are going to jump ship" just because you are, neither. To be honest, I am surprised that you find this to be so offensive to stop watching GSL. This is not "strongaming" just because you want to raise the prizepool for the player, so what you say just doesnt make sense.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 04 2023 13:08 GMT
#58
On May 04 2023 03:01 knotfun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2023 17:35 MineraIs wrote:
Gsl patron almost comparable with tastosis lol. Time to start playing brood war


that patreon is totally nuts.
people spend on Tastosis almost 150.000$ a year only to CAST two tournaments (that are already available "for free" with other people casting or on Afreeca). there's zero added value to the scene, to the game and to the players for that money.

it's not like that money is keeping Brood War alive or the Afreeca tournament alive... it's all going into the commentators' pocket! The tournament would be exactly the same without that patreon.

That's what's happens when someone is the best in the world at what they are doing
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
moonsjde
Profile Joined October 2022
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-05 03:49:06
May 05 2023 03:45 GMT
#59
On May 04 2023 16:57 tigera6 wrote:
Then dont assuming "many people are going to jump ship" just because you are, neither. To be honest, I am surprised that you find this to be so offensive to stop watching GSL. This is not "strongaming" just because you want to raise the prizepool for the player, so what you say just doesnt make sense.

when the product gets smaller, prize pools get smaller, players practice less and retire, fewer people will watch. that's not an assumption. there's a 0% chance viewers stay the same when the product shrinks. it's like expecting the same number of fans to show up to attend NBA if 10 teams folded and the playoffs were shorter

also you are confusing me with another poster. i don't care about the prize pool or making GSL do anything, i'm just weighing in on the side of people who are losing interest. not hating, but i think it's goofy to pretend everyone who watches starcraft will watch forever. we're all going to watch online cups with mid players when we're 50-60 years old? come on now lol. most people lose interest over time, only a tiny fraction are hardcore enough to keep going at this point. i watched for 10 years so i'm already in a small percentage. it's a computer game and it had a great run as an esport and entertainment product. there's no salt or hate in talking about the fact that GSL is winding down

it's a shame because i actually do really like state with tasteless. if only we could have had him instead of artosis the whole time
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
May 05 2023 04:05 GMT
#60
On May 05 2023 12:45 moonsjde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2023 16:57 tigera6 wrote:
Then dont assuming "many people are going to jump ship" just because you are, neither. To be honest, I am surprised that you find this to be so offensive to stop watching GSL. This is not "strongaming" just because you want to raise the prizepool for the player, so what you say just doesnt make sense.

when the product gets smaller, prize pools get smaller, players practice less and retire, fewer people will watch. that's not an assumption. there's a 0% chance viewers stay the same when the product shrinks. it's like expecting the same number of fans to show up to attend NBA if 10 teams folded and the playoffs were shorter

also you are confusing me with another poster. i don't care about the prize pool or making GSL do anything, i'm just weighing in on the side of people who are losing interest. not hating, but i think it's goofy to pretend everyone who watches starcraft will watch forever. we're all going to watch online cups with mid players when we're 50-60 years old? come on now lol. most people lose interest over time, only a tiny fraction are hardcore enough to keep going at this point. i watched for 10 years so i'm already in a small percentage. it's a computer game and it had a great run as an esport and entertainment product. there's no salt or hate in talking about the fact that GSL is winding down

it's a shame because i actually do really like state with tasteless. if only we could have had him instead of artosis the whole time

IF you are saying that SC2 is going down eventually, then yeah, we all realize that and nobody trying to argue that. I might just be confused like you said, but it sound like you want to stop supporting/watching GSL because they want to crowdfund for player prize pool? I get that the execution hasnt been great, or even good, but most of us have no issue whatsoever with this move. Thats the only point I am trying to make here, if that was an mis-understanding, then sorry for the post, lets move on.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
May 27 2023 00:17 GMT
#61
Turns out that Afreeca will not be collecting from the Patreon during off months of GSL. I was planning to decrease my amount from $30 because that's a lot to commit every single month but since it will only be months where GSL is actually going I think I'll keep it. Posting this as a bump in case it motivates anyone else to donate a higher amount or keep a currently pledged higher amount.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 27 2023 01:15 GMT
#62
Love GSL and happy to support them but I feel like they've messed up this fundraising thing time and time again, from waiting months to do it to starting it right after the YouTube screen debacle to now this (people not knowing how much they are actually donating)
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3445 Posts
May 27 2023 02:53 GMT
#63
Yeah, many people have stated how they feel that GSL has botched the communication for this process badly. Maybe they already collected enough the armount for this season and didnt want to exceed their goal per season.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
May 27 2023 19:15 GMT
#64
Oh wow it's not including off months?? That's "noble" i guess but yeah probably lots of people are confused now. I thought they were raising $200k+ a year at this point but I guess not...
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mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-27 20:02:46
May 27 2023 20:02 GMT
#65
so, will S2 be 1 payment or 2? we can't know, as we don't know the dates yet and the tournament lasts less than 1 month
jackwilliam11
Profile Joined August 2023
New Zealand1 Post
August 14 2023 06:26 GMT
#66
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inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
August 14 2023 11:41 GMT
#67
Awesome, definitely will support GSL! long live SC2!
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ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
August 14 2023 16:04 GMT
#68
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
August 14 2023 16:06 GMT
#69
On August 15 2023 01:04 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?


They did the Ro16 in Studio for season 2, except Gumiho for some reason probably illness played one match from home.

So Season 3 will likely be the same, Ro16 onward from Studio. Although I don't think there's been an official announcement for it yet. We'll probably know more when the qualifiers are announced.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 14 2023 16:41 GMT
#70
On August 15 2023 01:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2023 01:04 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?


They did the Ro16 in Studio for season 2, except Gumiho for some reason probably illness played one match from home.


That was due to the flooding in South Korea, so all trains was cancelled and GumiHo was forced to play from home. And it was all his games on that day
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
August 14 2023 17:53 GMT
#71
On August 15 2023 01:41 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2023 01:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 15 2023 01:04 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?


They did the Ro16 in Studio for season 2, except Gumiho for some reason probably illness played one match from home.


That was due to the flooding in South Korea, so all trains was cancelled and GumiHo was forced to play from home. And it was all his games on that day


Ah ok that makes sense. Thank you.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-14 20:03:00
August 14 2023 20:02 GMT
#72
On August 15 2023 02:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2023 01:41 SmoKim wrote:
On August 15 2023 01:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 15 2023 01:04 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?


They did the Ro16 in Studio for season 2, except Gumiho for some reason probably illness played one match from home.


That was due to the flooding in South Korea, so all trains was cancelled and GumiHo was forced to play from home. And it was all his games on that day


Ah ok that makes sense. Thank you.


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ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
August 15 2023 09:02 GMT
#73
On August 15 2023 01:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2023 01:04 ScrappyRabbit wrote:
Idk if this is where to ask this, but will it be playoffs only for in-studio for this season of GSL?


They did the Ro16 in Studio for season 2, except Gumiho for some reason probably illness played one match from home.

So Season 3 will likely be the same, Ro16 onward from Studio. Although I don't think there's been an official announcement for it yet. We'll probably know more when the qualifiers are announced.


I'm hoping so -- right now the TL page for season 3 says the group stages will be online and I hope that's not the case since I just moved to Seoul and was hoping to watch live Starcraft for the first time.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
October 09 2023 18:34 GMT
#74
Does anyone know how much the 1st place prize for GSL was (in seasons 1 and 2) when including the crowd funded money?
I haven't seen the actual number posted anywhere and I've been a subscriber since this whole thing began.
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