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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 28 2023 18:59 GMT
#61
On July 29 2023 02:52 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh that format sounds cool!! Was sad at first seeing Creator matched against Serral

Yeah, it would have been rough for Serral to get eliminated immediately like that.

I do like the pseudo-Swiss, glad to see it getting used more.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 23:18:22
July 28 2023 23:13 GMT
#62
Despite being swiss I think there are some pretty good round 1 matches, Oliveira vs Solar and Clem vs Dark have the potential to be great. Reynor vs Classic is probably going to be a stomp, but Classic did beat him in the champions cup. With herO's slump and HM's traditionally strong TvP that could be a good match as well. Spirit will probably lose to Cure but look good doing so.

Also glad every R1 match is a Korean vs a foreigner.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 29 2023 01:42 GMT
#63
Also a huge fan of the format I think its a pretty exciting way to eliminate half the players - much more than the group set up. I just hope they stagger it the right way
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3493 Posts
July 29 2023 03:27 GMT
#64
Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-29 09:57:16
July 29 2023 07:33 GMT
#65
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote:
Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.

They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points

World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB
World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB

It all align except putting Elazer above Oliveira
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
July 29 2023 08:44 GMT
#66
bo3 or bo5?

would be nice if bo3 but bo5 for the elimination/qualification games

pretty refreshing, gotta say
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden890 Posts
July 29 2023 08:55 GMT
#67
On July 29 2023 17:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
bo3 or bo5?

would be nice if bo3 but bo5 for the elimination/qualification games

pretty refreshing, gotta say


Seems bo3 for the swiss part. Would assume bo5 after that
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3493 Posts
July 29 2023 11:52 GMT
#68
On July 29 2023 16:33 FCHK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote:
Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.

They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points

World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB
World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB

It all align except putting Elazer above Oliveira

yeah, but I am also speaking about for later rounds, like with those whose record are 1-0, and then 2-0. Theoretically you should never match Maru vs Serral if they both win out because they have the highest seed, supposedly. I think when they did the this format in ESL Master EU, they F up the seeding, we had MaxPax playing against Clem in 2nd round at the same time as we have Skillous vs Lambo.
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
July 29 2023 12:54 GMT
#69
On July 29 2023 20:52 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2023 16:33 FCHK wrote:
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote:
Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.

They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points

World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB
World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB
World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB
World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB
World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB

It all align except putting Elazer above Oliveira

yeah, but I am also speaking about for later rounds, like with those whose record are 1-0, and then 2-0. Theoretically you should never match Maru vs Serral if they both win out because they have the highest seed, supposedly. I think when they did the this format in ESL Master EU, they F up the seeding, we had MaxPax playing against Clem in 2nd round at the same time as we have Skillous vs Lambo.

To be fair they didn't have an established ranking at that time

Hopefully it works this time around
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27004 Posts
July 29 2023 13:56 GMT
#70
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
July 29 2023 22:45 GMT
#71
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1296 Posts
July 29 2023 23:05 GMT
#72
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
July 29 2023 23:20 GMT
#73
On July 30 2023 08:05 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast

Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden890 Posts
July 30 2023 04:19 GMT
#74
On July 30 2023 08:20 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2023 08:05 Balnazza wrote:
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast

Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?


Like besoz and musk x 10 atleast
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1943 Posts
July 30 2023 05:36 GMT
#75
On July 30 2023 08:05 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast


As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.

I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.

User was warned for this post
Buff the siegetank
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
July 30 2023 09:47 GMT
#76
Mvp hypeeeeee
ElMakac
Profile Joined February 2021
20 Posts
July 30 2023 19:08 GMT
#77
they give one cent of petro dollar and every idiot is going crazy
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States317 Posts
July 30 2023 21:03 GMT
#78
love what the saudis have done for wrestling with AEW. can't wait to see what comes of this unexpected high-stakes tournament.
"You're the idiot, idiot. That's why your fuckin' name is Idiot." - Artosis to CSG
sidasf
Profile Joined February 2023
104 Posts
July 30 2023 21:57 GMT
#79
On July 30 2023 14:36 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2023 08:05 Balnazza wrote:
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast


As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.

I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.

User was warned for this post


Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.

This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1943 Posts
July 31 2023 07:01 GMT
#80
On July 31 2023 06:57 sidasf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2023 14:36 Slydie wrote:
On July 30 2023 08:05 Balnazza wrote:
On July 30 2023 07:45 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote:
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.

Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.

On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?

Yeah that’ll really help the scene…

Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.

We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.



Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast


As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.

I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.

User was warned for this post


Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.

This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!


I should probably have written "Arab states". I was referreing to the states and enterprises who hand out sponsorships, not "Arabs" in general. If anyone has a different impression than mine, I would love to hear about it.

Anyway, sportswashing from that part of the world is a very hot topic. It includes:
-The scandlals regarding the Quatar World Cup.
-Paying Christiano Ronaldo to come play in their League.
-Sponsoring multiple Tour de France teams.
-Very recently placing an astronomical bid o Mbappe, which he declined.

All examples expensive, high profile publicity moves.

Where the money comes from and their intentions should always be questioned.
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