Gamers8 has announced the prize money distribution for its three StarCraft related events, and has also revealed the 24 players invited to its StarCraft II main event qualifier.
The StarCraft II main event qualifiers will be held during April 14-23. The StarCraft portion of the Gamers8 festival will be held during August 3-6.
The invited players for the main event qualifiers (Gamers Without Borders) appear to be the top finishers from IEM Katowice 2023. The player list is as follows:
1 did Maxpax decline again or is he an auto-pass on live events? 2 what if innovation or stats gets really good in this time i wish they'd get a WC bid. 3 Cham in there for the americas over eg Scarlett is odd to me
On April 05 2023 02:59 luxon wrote: 1 did Maxpax decline again or is he an auto-pass on live events? 2 what if innovation or stats gets really good in this time i wish they'd get a WC bid. 3 Cham in there for the americas over eg Scarlett is odd to me
Considering the finals is in Saudi Arabia I wouldn't be surprised if Scarlett wasn't invited/declined.
No qualifiers is a travesty. Cool to see that Dark is participating, I thought IEM was his last international tournament but maybe he can travel a bit more but will have to miss out on the next Katowice?
On April 05 2023 02:59 luxon wrote: 1 did Maxpax decline again or is he an auto-pass on live events? 2 what if innovation or stats gets really good in this time i wish they'd get a WC bid. 3 Cham in there for the americas over eg Scarlett is odd to me
The invites are the top IEM Katowice 2023 finishers in order (minus retirees). Scarlett was eliminated in tie-last at Katowice, Cham made it to the second last round of play-ins.
Ohh wow, so the money is very dominantly for SC2, even more than the speculated $400k/$100k... Dang BW doesn't even have a tournament then, it's just the legends exhibition, it's still cool though
For SC2 this is amazing, hopefully this money will encourage them to not retire yet, it should help them continue playing this year, though maybe the 8 players who don't qualify won't make anything rip...
The 24 player cutoff also seems quite ideal, i don't think (?) there's any notable missing players from the EPT or KR groups. I mean, it would be cute if sOs, Innovation, Ty, Stats were there, but they just returned so it makes sense.
Oh actually, im curious why they chose Cham instead of Scarlett. I'm not familiar with Cham, i would have thought Scarlett is better and more notable. There's no MaxPax either, who i felt was more notable than Cham.
On April 05 2023 02:59 luxon wrote: 1 did Maxpax decline again or is he an auto-pass on live events? 2 what if innovation or stats gets really good in this time i wish they'd get a WC bid. 3 Cham in there for the americas over eg Scarlett is odd to me
The invites are the top IEM Katowice 2023 finishers in order (minus retirees). Scarlett was eliminated in tie-last at Katowice, Cham made it to the second last round of play-ins.
Ooh that makes sense, that's pretty cool in place of having new qualifiers, just too bad if players feel more guilty that they didn't do better, now that they know this tourny's invites were also on the line...
50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Very strange choice of players, not gonna lie. A lot make sense but definitely some better ones out there (I won't go into specifics not to be rude) I wonder if they decline over moral reasons for Saudi Arabia or perhaps don't want politicized COVID boosters which may be required for international travel?
Edit: I have just been informed they wanted to just go off top 12 Korean and top 12 nonkorean at katowice so I guess the list makes sense now since they didn't cherry pick.
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
You shouldn't expect better considering who's hosting the event - They're not even trying to hide their policy
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
This is definitely how u support a dying esport. These are the people with the most fans and will bring the most attention to the game. That's what a dying esport needs.
Besides there are already tournaments like ASL or BSL or even now Ascension if u want to watch the highest level of play.
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
A game that is nearly dead outside of Korea should really be thankful to even get 50K. More popular Esports often have to fight for stuff like that
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
He was already dead.
not that we'd learn about this kinda behind-the-scenes stuff, but it would be hilarious if they asked for Savior in the BW showmatch and Life for SC2
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
He was already dead.
not that we'd learn about this kinda behind-the-scenes stuff, but it would be hilarious if they asked for Savior in the BW showmatch and Life for SC2
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
He was already dead.
pretty sure it was yokozuna not andre, but why split hairs, same problem.
Now I just realize, the cabal has infiltrated the country, and did not accept their lackluster result in IEM, so now they are on a mission to prove all that was a "fluke". The Zerg cabal will strike back.
On April 05 2023 12:26 tigera6 wrote: Now I just realize, the cabal has infiltrated the country, and did not accept their lackluster result in IEM, so now they are on a mission to prove all that was a "fluke". The Zerg cabal will strike back.
I hear the reason why Reynor plays random in EPT is so he doesn't win with Zerg. If Zerg started winning too much again the cabal would be further exposed. We are looking for Zerg buffs. Terran. Soggy. Protoss? Extra soggy. Shibal...
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
This is definitely how u support a dying esport. These are the people with the most fans and will bring the most attention to the game. That's what a dying esport needs.
Besides there are already tournaments like ASL or BSL or even now Ascension if u want to watch the highest level of play.
lmao, not really no
I would be more than ok with 50K if this was an actual tournament (even an 8 player bo3/bo5/bo7 Double elim bracket would be great), not just some kind of exhibition.
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
He was already dead.
not that we'd learn about this kinda behind-the-scenes stuff, but it would be hilarious if they asked for Savior in the BW showmatch and Life for SC2
Hahaha thought about this as well. "And now to unveil our special guests...!"
On April 05 2023 03:14 outscar wrote: 50K only for BW and only legends aka old players? No thanks and that's not how you support a dying esport which is still super stacked and competetive in Korea.
Saudis wanted Andre the Giant at their first WWE show.
He was already dead.
pretty sure it was yokozuna not andre, but why split hairs, same problem.
I knew I should've double-checked that I was referencing the correct huge dead dude...
On April 16 2023 17:06 DrunkenJedi wrote: The invites seem kinda random to me. Does anyone know why e. g. Cham gets invited to Stage 2 or why Dark and Maru arent invited to stage 2?
Cham is invited probably because Neeb retired.
Dark and Maru etc. are in Stage 1 because they finished high at IEM so players with lower place gets only one chance to qualify (from Stage 2).
SC2 is almost the smallest fish for Gamers8. They have price pools for 45 mio dollars spread across multiple games. Crazy shit really. Dota2 is the highest price pool with 15 mio, PUBG Mobile is the lowest with 100k and the only game with a price pool lower than SC2 with 500k as second lowest.
From what I'm gathering around the interwebs, so far they delivered what they promised
Super hype legends tournament, but Stephano was relatively active recently so he should be the huge favorite going into this. I wonder how much the other legends will be able to prepare
BW legends also announced: stork bisu jaedong fantasy
I honestly feel pretty emotional that these sc2 and bw legends basically get one last chance for a final "championship". I might actually tear up watching it. And the 50k prizepool for this is ludicrously large
I remember he had big wrist issues, but also that most of his winnings he was using to help his family which didn't have a lot of money. hope hes doing well.
Nice to see MC back. MMA I know was an overwatch coach of a succesful team, I think he no longer is but hopefully he is doing well.
50k on the line for these matches is crazy. Wonder what type of shape Mvp is in. Feel like he's going to get stomped by the other 3 unfortunately as they all continued playing SC2 for a long time after he left.
Stephano has to be favored, he's played more recently (iirc he even got a top 8 in a WCS event back in 2019?). Then again, depending on how rusty the remaining players are maybe MC could win if he learns a few good builds. The games will probably suck no matter the outcome, but it'll be fun to see these players again. At least the prize pool is high enough that they'll be grinding hard.
On July 28 2023 11:16 dysenterymd wrote: Stephano has to be favored, he's played more recently (iirc he even got a top 8 in a WCS event back in 2019?). Then again, depending on how rusty the remaining players are maybe MC could win if he learns a few good builds. The games will probably suck no matter the outcome, but it'll be fun to see these players again. At least the prize pool is high enough that they'll be grinding hard.
MMA played in Code S in 2018 season 3. My money would be on him
On July 28 2023 10:17 JJH777 wrote: 50k on the line for these matches is crazy. Wonder what type of shape Mvp is in. Feel like he's going to get stomped by the other 3 unfortunately as they all continued playing SC2 for a long time after he left.
On July 28 2023 11:16 dysenterymd wrote: Stephano has to be favored, he's played more recently (iirc he even got a top 8 in a WCS event back in 2019?). Then again, depending on how rusty the remaining players are maybe MC could win if he learns a few good builds. The games will probably suck no matter the outcome, but it'll be fun to see these players again. At least the prize pool is high enough that they'll be grinding hard.
MMA played in Code S in 2018 season 3. My money would be on him
http://aligulac.com/players/10-Stephano/ Stephano played far more recently and has a 2300 aligulac rating, MMA (http://aligulac.com/players/28-MMA/) has less than 2000. I would be highly surprised if Stephano did not win, even if other players practice as hard as they could. He likes money so he will probably bother practicing for the tournament, even if he is working at ESL atm (afaik?)
I really hope they all got advanced notice and have been burning some midnight oil these last few weeks. MC is gonna cheese the hell out of them though and will ez winner. Like a boss
On July 28 2023 17:04 Harris1st wrote: I really hope they all got advanced notice and have been burning some midnight oil these last few weeks. MC is gonna cheese the hell out of them though and will ez winner. Like a boss
There is supposedly an account of "mma" at #69 KR / 5500 MMR (https://sc2pulse.nephest.com/sc2/?season=56&queue=LOTV_1V1&team-type=ARRANGED&kr=true&mas=true&gra=true&page=0&type=ladder&ratingAnchor=99999&idAnchor=0&count=1#ladder-top). If the prizepool is 50k$ they will probably try to practice as much as they can, should be interesting!
On July 28 2023 10:17 JJH777 wrote: 50k on the line for these matches is crazy. Wonder what type of shape Mvp is in. Feel like he's going to get stomped by the other 3 unfortunately as they all continued playing SC2 for a long time after he left.
MC probably won't be much better tbh. He hasn't played in ages.
I expected Maru won't deliver for the next Gamer8 tournament after the win yesterday. Be careful when trying to criticize him so much as I assume he may need full days of rest and will not be comfortable after the jetlag travel. The tournament is for Serral or another Korean players to lose.
"In this format 16 participants play until they have won 3 matches or lost 3 matches. The participants that win 3 matches advance to the next tournament stage while the players that lost 3 matches are eliminated. In each round participants are matched versus an opponent with the same match score. Usually rematches are tried to be avoided."
"In this format 16 participants play until they have won 3 matches or lost 3 matches. The participants that win 3 matches advance to the next tournament stage while the players that lost 3 matches are eliminated. In each round participants are matched versus an opponent with the same match score. Usually rematches are tried to be avoided."
Despite being swiss I think there are some pretty good round 1 matches, Oliveira vs Solar and Clem vs Dark have the potential to be great. Reynor vs Classic is probably going to be a stomp, but Classic did beat him in the champions cup. With herO's slump and HM's traditionally strong TvP that could be a good match as well. Spirit will probably lose to Cure but look good doing so.
Also glad every R1 match is a Korean vs a foreigner.
Also a huge fan of the format I think its a pretty exciting way to eliminate half the players - much more than the group set up. I just hope they stagger it the right way
Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote: Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.
They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points
World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote: Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.
They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points
World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB
It all align except putting Elazer above Oliveira
yeah, but I am also speaking about for later rounds, like with those whose record are 1-0, and then 2-0. Theoretically you should never match Maru vs Serral if they both win out because they have the highest seed, supposedly. I think when they did the this format in ESL Master EU, they F up the seeding, we had MaxPax playing against Clem in 2nd round at the same time as we have Skillous vs Lambo.
On July 29 2023 12:27 tigera6 wrote: Much, much better format than the same old 4 group of 4 players format. But they would need to have a fairly balance seeding system to match the players up.
They did, using Gamers Without Borders 2023 results then sorted by EPT points
World Stage 1 UB Serral vs Creator Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 UB HeRoMaRinE vs herO Korea Stage 2 LB World Stage 1 LB Reynor vs Classic Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 1 LB Spirit vs Cure Korea Stage 2 UB World Stage 2 UB Clem vs Dark Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 UB ShoWTimE vs Maru Korea Stage 1 LB World Stage 2 LB Elazer vs ByuN Korea Stage 1 UB World Stage 2 LB Oliveira vs Solar Korea Stage 1 UB
It all align except putting Elazer above Oliveira
yeah, but I am also speaking about for later rounds, like with those whose record are 1-0, and then 2-0. Theoretically you should never match Maru vs Serral if they both win out because they have the highest seed, supposedly. I think when they did the this format in ESL Master EU, they F up the seeding, we had MaxPax playing against Clem in 2nd round at the same time as we have Skillous vs Lambo.
To be fair they didn't have an established ranking at that time
It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.
I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.
I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.
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Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.
This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.
I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.
User was warned for this post
Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.
This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!
I should probably have written "Arab states". I was referreing to the states and enterprises who hand out sponsorships, not "Arabs" in general. If anyone has a different impression than mine, I would love to hear about it.
Anyway, sportswashing from that part of the world is a very hot topic. It includes: -The scandlals regarding the Quatar World Cup. -Paying Christiano Ronaldo to come play in their League. -Sponsoring multiple Tour de France teams. -Very recently placing an astronomical bid o Mbappe, which he declined.
All examples expensive, high profile publicity moves.
Where the money comes from and their intentions should always be questioned.
And buying shares in multiple major video game developers. And the entire football league in a spending mania poaching players from Europe. And buying the entire PGA golf tour. And buying into Formula 1. Including insisting to have the race going on despite missile striking the city the race was hosted in.
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.
I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.
User was warned for this post
Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.
This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!
I fail to see how making the rich and successful players richer is great for the scene, but feel free to enlighten me.
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
As I know the Arabs, I have never seen them even try to build a solid food chain from the bottom up. All they do is skimming the top of a scene, going for the most publicity money can buy. This event goes right into their usual strategy.
I would actually respect them a lot more if they shifted to sponsoring smaller and local events all around Western Europe. That should even do a better job of painting them as "good guys", or at least show they have a likeable side.
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Not even trying to hide being a racist pos, impressive.
This is great for the scene, a literal god send. Can't wait to watch it!
I fail to see how making the rich and successful players richer is great for the scene, but feel free to enlighten me.
This is just quibbling about the most efficient way to use money to support SC2—Gamers8 is pretty obviously and unambiguously good for JUST the SC2 esports scene in a vacuum. Fans get entertained by a world championship class event, top players remain in the scene (I have to think many would have retired or toned down activities without Gamers8, especially since Katowice 2024 hasn't even been confirmed), SC2 stays in the mix as a 'relevant' if low-tier esport.
The question being posed to everyone is whether or not the good of StarCraft II should be pursued at all other costs.
I want Creator to make a strong run so bad but with the state of Protoss i think he'll almost surely lose vs Terran, hoping he'll get some PvZs as he seemed to do pretty good vs Dark the last year or so (seems like he was always very close to winning if he made 1 less mistake). Though i don't think he has a chance against Serral T_T
I'm not a fan of when 1st place prize is more than double 2nd place, but at least the prize seems distributed pretty nicely for the rest! And yeah very nice that those who qualified will make a few thousand, maybe pay $1k for flight and $1k for lodging.
I'm not a fan of when 1st place prize is more than double 2nd place, but at least the prize seems distributed pretty nicely for the rest! And yeah very nice that those who qualified will make a few thousand, maybe pay $1k for flight and $1k for lodging.
Would assume since they qualified, travel and housing is paid for.
I'm not a fan of when 1st place prize is more than double 2nd place, but at least the prize seems distributed pretty nicely for the rest! And yeah very nice that those who qualified will make a few thousand, maybe pay $1k for flight and $1k for lodging.
Would assume since they qualified, travel and housing is paid for.
Saudi always takes care of their players and athletes whenever they invite them out. No doubt. But even if they didn't the players have teams that afford flight and lodging.
I'm not a fan of when 1st place prize is more than double 2nd place, but at least the prize seems distributed pretty nicely for the rest! And yeah very nice that those who qualified will make a few thousand, maybe pay $1k for flight and $1k for lodging.
Would assume since they qualified, travel and housing is paid for.
Saudi always takes care of their players and athletes whenever they invite them out. No doubt. But even if they didn't the players have teams that afford flight and lodging.
Yeah. Im sure the saudis are quite generous on that aswell
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?
They have a combined 45.000.000,- $ price pool across ~ 12 games with Dota 2 getting 15 mio alone
On July 29 2023 22:56 WombaT wrote: It’ll no doubt be a hyped watch, and I like the bracket format chosen too.
Really, really not what SC2 actually needs is another big money tournament for the top players around though.
On top of an exhibition tournament of undoubtedly rusty legends with double the prize pool of the last GSL season?
Yeah that’ll really help the scene…
Compared to the money needed to gain traction in Formula One or football, eSports bar to entering the scene as a big player and host is absolutely minuscule, I’m still equally as wary of the underlying motivations.
We haven't seen the prize distribution yet, have we? It could be a good spread with high payouts to the bottom players. I mean yeah for a healthier scene they would've given money to more than just top 16 players but it's not like this is hurting the scene. If it were Blizzard or ESL funding this it would be one thing, but this just seems like someone (or multiple people?) throwing money at their own entertainment lol, we're lucky that it's us and not some other game.
Apparently there are atleast 12 different games that get money thrown at during this event. It is just sportswashing, so of course the TO tries to get as many top players as possible. Not much use to invest in lower level players if you just want to connect with a younger audience fast
Holy crap 12 games lol, how rich are these people?
Well they are considering paying Mbappe A BILLION dollars. So you know, quite rich.
The $ definitely helps to keep the top players going. And bringing the old legends back? Can't wait to see them play, wonder if they will bring some of the oldest builds back, or follow today's meta.
On August 03 2023 04:47 johnnyh123 wrote: This is exciting stuff.
The $ definitely helps to keep the top players going. And bringing the old legends back? Can't wait to see them play, wonder if they will bring some of the oldest builds back, or follow today's meta.
They will likely play like the average high master/low GM player, after practicing for the event. It will be more of a tribute to their legacies than the games themselves.
Like at least in PvZ and TvZ, they could get the KR pros to give them some valuable informations about the current metagame. Their mechanics will probably not be enough to beat Stephano though, but maybe the games will be slightly competitive?
Just noticed, everything is set up for a Serral vs. Maru Grand Final. So the question is...which of them will fuck it up this time and go out early? :3
So now we know that Arabia is not asian enough for Maru to do his thing, while ZvZ remains Serrals weakpoint. Also for once Maru and Serral fucked up their communication and weren't clear who was supposed to drop out and who should win the tourney :<
On August 06 2023 18:34 Balnazza wrote: So now we know that Arabia is not asian enough for Maru to do his thing, while ZvZ remains Serrals weakpoint. Also for once Maru and Serral fucked up their communication and weren't clear who was supposed to drop out and who should win the tourney :<
Serral and Maru had a little spat.over who could throw harder. Serral said "I am known to be bad at mirror, I'll lose to your teammate, and then stomp him in the WTL again, deal?! That way this tourney goes to Onsyde. You guys deserve it for the amount of slaughter I am going to unleash in the WTL" and Maru was all "no man, that's too predictable! You just win the ZvZ, I'll make sure this tournament goes to a European and lose a TvT to, of all people, Clem. The crowd will go wild, because Clem not sucking at TvT would be an amazing turn around!"
They both forgot that Cure is also still in the tournament.
EPT
: Astrea, ShoWTimE
: Clem, HeroMarine, SpeCial, Oliveira, Spirit
: Reynor, Serral, Lambo, Elazer, Cham
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