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Maru Wins Code S Season 3, Claims G5L Trophy

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Maru Wins Code S Season 3, Claims G5L Trophy

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October 18th, 2022 07:08 GMT

Maru Wins Code S Season 3, Claims G5L Trophy

by Wax

The G5L trophy finally has an owner!

Maru took a dominating 4-0 victory over RagnaroK in the Code S Season 3 grand finals, becoming the first and only five-time Code S champion. Thus, the G5L trophy that had been created a decade ago in anticipation of Mvp's fifth GSL title was finally bestowed upon an equally great, if not even greater, Terran legend.

The Season 3 finals had been projected to be one of the most one-sided in GSL history, with Maru entering as a four-time champion while RagnaroK was to play in the first major finals of his career. Rankings website Aligulac gave Maru an 88.71% chance to win while over 90% of TL.net Liquibet users predicted his victory. Maru himself was quite confident in the pre-match interview, plainly saying "Honestly, I think I'll win easily."

Still, with Maru having failed in his prior three attempts to claim the G5L, there were concerns that the "G5L curse" might foil him once more. Ultimately, such concerns proved to be quite unfounded, as the match played out exactly as the odds foretold.

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More info: GSL Code S Season 3 on Liquipedia

Maru prepared a diverse package of build orders that got him an early advantage in every single game—advantages he probably didn't even need to beat such an outmatched foe (detailed recaps below). He was able to put on about as complete a Terran vs Zerg showcase as possible in a four game span, pummeling his opponent with Marine-Tank, turtling his way to victory with Ghosts and Thors, and even winning with straight-up mech. The only thing that prevented the finals from being a comprehensive Maru experience was the lack of his signature proxy-Barracks all-in—though one suspects he had it ready for a map that ended up not being played.

In the post-match interview, RagnaroK revealed that difficulties during practice had already sapped his confidence, and he had thought "I hope just don't lose 0-4" headed into the match.

As for Maru, he briefly shed his typically reserved attitude and gave perhaps the most forceful declaration of his career, saying "I want people to think of me when they think of Terran in SC2, so I'll win five more championships."

It's unknown as to whether or not he'll have the opportunity, since AfreecaTV has not offered any information on the future of GSL past this year. This is not necessarily a reason for fans to panic, as the current season was announced as late as March of 2022. Still, an air of uncertainty will linger around the GSL as it prepares for its last event of 2022: Super Tournament 2 (held from November 28th to December 8th).

Besides Maru obtaining the G5L, the finals also marked another historic occasion—although this one took on a more somber tone. It was Artosis' final in-person broadcast of the GSL, with the iconic commentator moving to Canada after the event for both family and career reasons.

Like Maru, Artosis had been a foundational part of the GSL. Alongside his broadcast partner Tasteless, he was a commentator for the very first GSL event in 2010 where Maru debuted as a player. Just as Maru came to define Terran greatness over his storied career, the 'Tastosis' duo became the gold standard for commentary in StarCraft II—and perhaps even esports commentary as a whole.

Tastosis have requested to continue GSL casts online, and this atypical accommodation may not be out of the question considering that they are already producing a semi-official, delayed cast of AfreecaTV's ASL competition in Brood War. However, Artosis' public comments are tinged with an air of finality, seeming ready to accept that this is the end of Tastosis in the GSL.

Match Recaps



Grand Finals: Maru [4 - 0] RagnaroK

Game 1 - Moondance (Maru win): Maru opened up with a fast 2-Barracks wall at his natural for Reaper harassment, while RagnaroK started with a 16-pool build. The late Zergling speed research from RagnaroK's opener allowed Maru to inflict a bit of damage with his Reaper harassment, but he was also getting ready to put the real hurt on RagnaroK with his follow-up cloaked Banshee.

RagnaroK didn't account for the possibility of a Banshee at all, and he lost a considerable number of Drones to the airborne pest. Such a significant early disadvantage proved to be a death sentence for RagnaroK, as he was eventually overwhelmed by Maru's waves of Marines and Tanks.

Game 2 - Inside and Out (Maru win): RagnaroK opened 16-pool again, while Maru changed things up by going for a Reactor-expand into a more typical Hellion-Banshee start. Maru managed to scorch a decent number of Drones with his Hellions, but the Banshees didn't achieve much against a better prepared RagnaroK. In any case, this was all a setup for Maru's main attack: a Marine-Tank all-in off 44 SCV's with a 'fake' third base (Maru placed it on the normal location to be scouted, but didn't make any SCV's to saturate it).

Despite Droning up heavily, RagnaroK scrambled together enough Zerglings and Banelings on defense to hold off Maru's first wave of attackers. However, he didn't fight nearly as well against the second wave of attackers, and Maru put him on the ropes. Having dizzied and damaged his opponent, Maru sent in a third wave of attackers to land the knockout blow.

Game 3 - Waterfall (Maru win): Maru went for another different opener by going Barracks-expand into a fast Medivac, while RagnaroK also switched gears with a Hatch-first expansion. It was RagnaroK's turn to get aggressive this time, and he plopped down a Roach Warren and stopped Drone production at 37 to pump out a round of Roach-Ravager-Zergling for an early attack.

Maru's Marine-drop harassment gave him reasonable advance warning of Roach production, and he was already building a safety-Tank in case of such an attack. This allowed him to survive the attack while suffering acceptable SCV losses, and as the game went on, it seemed that he actually came out ahead on economy due his three Orbital Commands.

The game entered a minor lull after that, with both players securing more expansions and building up for a macro game (with RagnaroK ditching Roaches and going into a typical Line-Bane composition). Maru was content to use small groups of infantry and drops to conduct light harassment, all while setting up a half-map split. Due to his less-than-ideal start, RagnaroK wasn't really in a position to make the floods of mid-game units to hamper Maru's growth.

RagnaroK did attempt one big Ling-Bane attack before a transition to Brood Lords, but it traded terribly against Maru's Tanks, Ghosts, and Planetary Fortress. Once the Brood Lords were finally out, he lost six of them to Ghosts due to a momentary mispositioning error with his Overseers. An already difficult game became a disaster for RagnaroK, and Maru took a relatively fast victory with his Ghost-Thor style at around 18:20 on the clock.

Game 4 - Cosmic Sapphire (Maru win): Maru showed even more build variety, opening Command Center-first into double-Factory for blue flame Hellions. Meanwhile, RagnaroK went for a regular 3-base macro build. Overlord scouting didn't reveal any of Maru's key buildings, so RagnaroK made all-around preparations by getting Spore Crawlers in his bases and plenty of Queens for defense. Unfortunately for RagnaroK, his Queens were too spread out when the surprise Hellion squad arrived, and he couldn't build an emergency building wall in time either. The Hellions zoomed into all of the Zerg bases, killing 30 Drones before they could be cleaned up.

The game was essentially over after this disastrous start for RagnaroK, but it went all the way to 17:54 on the clock due to Maru's decision to play mech as a follow-up. It was probably one of the most comfortable mech games Maru had ever played, where he was able to freely take expansions without barely any pressure from the Zerg. Maru even got a chance to get fancy with speed-upgraded Banshee play, and he ultimately ended RagnaroK by flinging an assortment of mech units at him until he had no choice but to GG out.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
October 18 2022 07:17 GMT
#2
gg Maru. He is such a great player. Too bad the final was so one-sided.
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation145 Posts
October 18 2022 07:22 GMT
#3
I hope there will be GSL next year. I hope they won't say something like "the G5L trophy has found it's master, it's all over, thank you all for this incredible experience, bye"
This man suffers from a bad heart, but I have plenty of medicine.
luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 07:39:07
October 18 2022 07:35 GMT
#4
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15958 Posts
October 18 2022 08:11 GMT
#5
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?

When Mvp won, there weren't any Kespa houses either
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 09:22:51
October 18 2022 09:21 GMT
#6
It's fitting that the youngest player to ever play in GSL, went on to become the greatest GSL player of all time. Maru's literally grown up with the GSL. If this does happen to be his final one (which I seriously doubt) then it'll be the completed anime protagonist arc.

I have serious doubts Ragnarok will make his way back to the finals again any time soon. He made it to the finals by the absolute narrowest of margins and it took both Dark and herO having surprisingly lackluster tournaments for him to do it.

Hard to say those same factors will line up that way again.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
October 18 2022 09:23 GMT
#7
Thanks for the writeup, definitely feels like the end of an era with the G5L and artosis moving on

GG Maru, GG Artosis
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DreamlnCode
Profile Joined December 2018
United Kingdom77 Posts
October 18 2022 09:28 GMT
#8
Maru finally did it.

And a big thanks to Artosis for the many years of decent banter. Things won't be the same again.
661
Profile Joined May 2018
71 Posts
October 18 2022 10:20 GMT
#9
On October 18 2022 16:17 umelbumel wrote:
gg Maru. He is such a great player. Too bad the final was so one-sided.


atleast we had Reynor vs Clem which was one of the greatest final ever imo
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 10:23:39
October 18 2022 10:23 GMT
#10
Congratulations to Maru and goodbye to Artosis, it's been an extrordinary journey these past 12 years.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 11:56:53
October 18 2022 11:50 GMT
#11
Amazing result for Maru, even though the finals was one-sided, he had to beat herO for the season 2 revenge.
Artosis will be deeply missed as a GSL caster if there are still GSL next year(s), even though Tastosis haven’t kept up with the game much (especially outside of Korea). Their casting is still the best available in English, in StarCraft 2 obviously but even when taking other games into account, they elevated this job to an art and mastered this craft like few people did.

There are no words to truly describe how impressive Maru’s GSL resume is: 5 times champion, 3 times runner-up and a countless number of other good results that aren’t worth keeping track of given the absurdly high number of 1st and 2nd place.

Having watched StarCraft 2 for literally the entirety of my adult life (albeit far less during the HotS era), GSL has been a ritual of mine for so long I really hope it will go on next year(s). There are still a healthy number of favorites (Maru, Dark, herO, Reynor?) and strong contenders (GuMiho, Cure, Bunny, RagnaroK, DRG, etc.), so the tournament is still the highest level outside of Katowice and very much needed.
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VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia192 Posts
October 18 2022 12:34 GMT
#12
Congratulations to Maru!
Farewell Artosis! you have done amazing things the last 12 years, and more, when thinking of Broodwar.
Good luck in all things to come.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25315 Posts
October 18 2022 12:57 GMT
#13
Artosis potentially gone for good from broadcasting GSL, the G5L obtained but in quite underwhelming fashion.

Feels like that final episode in a show after the real narrative peak where you see what everyone’s doing afterwards and all of the loose ends are wrapped up.

I hope we’re in for more years of GSL to come and ofc many congrats to Mary and thanks to Artosis for his sterling entertainment efforts, but I am getting that kinda vibe
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
October 18 2022 13:34 GMT
#14
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?

When we say Mvp has 4 GSLs, we ARE counting the World Championship already. It was genuinely a very big deal and promoted heavily, finals on a massive stage, etc. That's why his gets counted but Maru's GSL win that wasn't a Code S doesn't get counted.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
October 18 2022 13:56 GMT
#15
On October 18 2022 22:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?

When we say Mvp has 4 GSLs, we ARE counting the World Championship already. It was genuinely a very big deal and promoted heavily, finals on a massive stage, etc. That's why his gets counted but Maru's GSL win that wasn't a Code S doesn't get counted.


Honestly, WC only gets counted because AfreecaTV/GomTV says it counts. Which, whether fans think makes sense or not, is the only thing that really matters here (unless we wanna make our own "REAL G5L" award).
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15958 Posts
October 18 2022 16:05 GMT
#16
On October 18 2022 22:56 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2022 22:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?

When we say Mvp has 4 GSLs, we ARE counting the World Championship already. It was genuinely a very big deal and promoted heavily, finals on a massive stage, etc. That's why his gets counted but Maru's GSL win that wasn't a Code S doesn't get counted.


Honestly, WC only gets counted because AfreecaTV/GomTV says it counts. Which, whether fans think makes sense or not, is the only thing that really matters here (unless we wanna make our own "REAL G5L" award).

at the end of the day it doesn't really matter since Mvp didn't attain the G5L anyways. There's no doubt about Maru's G5L
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
October 18 2022 16:07 GMT
#17
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?


I love Mvp and considered him the Goat up until 2019 but his GSL vs the World win was no where near as hard as a regular Code S. It was half foreigners at a time when foreigners we're way worse than Koreans. Plus it was a single elim bo3 bracket for most of it. Even if the player pool was good that format is simply not as hard. Also even counting that he's still only at 4.
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States140 Posts
October 18 2022 16:20 GMT
#18
I loved that the finals was one sided. It was fantastic seeing Maru completely dominate.
Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
October 18 2022 16:20 GMT
#19
Thanks for the writeup! Awesome article!
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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
October 18 2022 16:53 GMT
#20
finals wasnt as entertaining as it could have been it felt pretty one sided. nothing against ragnarok but maru is like 10 levels above him.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 17:37:55
October 18 2022 17:34 GMT
#21
On October 19 2022 01:07 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?


I love Mvp and considered him the Goat up until 2019 but his GSL vs the World win was no where near as hard as a regular Code S. It was half foreigners at a time when foreigners we're way worse than Koreans. Plus it was a single elim bo3 bracket for most of it. Even if the player pool was good that format is simply not as hard. Also even counting that he's still only at 4.


I thought Inno already surpassed MVP until 2019? But Maru triumphed afterwards since he won four straight Code S titles. .
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 17:40:20
October 18 2022 17:39 GMT
#22
It doesn't matter if you are Maru fan or not, but It was supposed to happen someday. I never cheered for him, but despite the lack of TY, Rogue, Inno, Zest, Parting, Maru was above all in this tournament and actually this Season 3 was very exciting to watch, despite the lack ot tosses, so totally well deserved for Maru. Very bad tournament for Dark. herO played poorly on the semi-final and this match practically decided the entire GSL. Ragnarok lacks experience to play in a final match format, so we should not blame him too much, but then Guhimo was suppose to finish him when he had the chance after all the incredible comebacks he did. In this case even anti-TvT fans woundn't mind to watch Gumi vs Maru on a final.
So yeah, congrats to Maru! Legend. Always when he plays, no matter if he is 100 supply behind I always fear that he may win anytime. I even didn't watch the whole match, just switched in the end to see Tastosis last Code S feedback and saying goodbye.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3381 Posts
October 18 2022 18:15 GMT
#23
Terrible finals. Ragnarok's 2nd place speech was the highlight.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-18 20:04:28
October 18 2022 20:04 GMT
#24
If only Life didn't match fix. Who knows how many GSL he would've won. He was the only non-Kespa person to win GSL during the era of Kespa dominance 2014-2015 (yes I know he joined KT a month before he won GSL). Also the most legit Royal Roader in SC2.
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rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
297 Posts
October 18 2022 21:03 GMT
#25
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?



More vibrant, maybe, more competitive though? Unlikely. In terms of GSL I'd actually point to the 2016-2019 period being the most competitive in that you had a nice balance of all the top Korean pros and multiple GOAT contenders peaking as the game was finally settling into a nice LOTV series of metas without too many OP or unbalanced gameplay elements. The general consensus was that even pro-level play, on average, during the beta and first year or so post-release was really not super fantastic and thus the premium was on figuring out optimal builds and counters faster and better than your opponents as compared to executing on generally known, optimized builds faster and better than your opponents. You're right about today's GSL. But remember that Maru had to get through players like TY, Dark, Rogue, Trap, Zest, Classic, Inno, Soo, and Stats when they were playing at peak level to win 4 of his 5 GSLs. Perhaps you can argue that an earlier era of top-tier Koreans provided for a more competitive and challenging gauntlet to run in GSL, but doesn't seem like it to me...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25315 Posts
October 18 2022 21:41 GMT
#26
On October 19 2022 05:04 argonautdice wrote:
If only Life didn't match fix. Who knows how many GSL he would've won. He was the only non-Kespa person to win GSL during the era of Kespa dominance 2014-2015 (yes I know he joined KT a month before he won GSL). Also the most legit Royal Roader in SC2.

Yeah such a shame, he was a phenomenally talented SC player
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-19 06:34:31
October 19 2022 06:31 GMT
#27
On October 19 2022 01:07 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?


I love Mvp and considered him the Goat up until 2019 but his GSL vs the World win was no where near as hard as a regular Code S. It was half foreigners at a time when foreigners we're way worse than Koreans. Plus it was a single elim bo3 bracket for most of it. Even if the player pool was good that format is simply not as hard. Also even counting that he's still only at 4.


Come on, man.

Mvp's run to the World Championship win.

2-1 HuK (Code S player)
3-1 July (2nd best Zerg at that moment, finalist from the previous Code S season)
3-1 San (2nd best Protoss at the moment, semi-finalist from previous Code S season)
4-2 MarineKing (2nd best Terran at the moment, former 2x finalist)

What an easy bracket! Definitely much easier than any of his other Code S wins, right? It was also almost the same format as Code S at the time, just without a Ro32 group stage...which shouldn't be relevant when you look at his competition in his bracket.

Like sure, if his run was like, TT1, mOOnGLaDe, MorroW and anypro, you might have a point. But the way his bracket worked out, it was almost the most difficult run he could have possibly had given the players in the tournament.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
October 19 2022 09:03 GMT
#28
So it finally happened.. well played, GGs and congratulations!

odi profanum vulgus et arceo
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
October 19 2022 15:42 GMT
#29
On October 19 2022 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2022 01:07 JJH777 wrote:
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?


I love Mvp and considered him the Goat up until 2019 but his GSL vs the World win was no where near as hard as a regular Code S. It was half foreigners at a time when foreigners we're way worse than Koreans. Plus it was a single elim bo3 bracket for most of it. Even if the player pool was good that format is simply not as hard. Also even counting that he's still only at 4.


Come on, man.

Mvp's run to the World Championship win.

2-1 HuK (Code S player)
3-1 July (2nd best Zerg at that moment, finalist from the previous Code S season)
3-1 San (2nd best Protoss at the moment, semi-finalist from previous Code S season)
4-2 MarineKing (2nd best Terran at the moment, former 2x finalist)

What an easy bracket! Definitely much easier than any of his other Code S wins, right? It was also almost the same format as Code S at the time, just without a Ro32 group stage...which shouldn't be relevant when you look at his competition in his bracket.

Like sure, if his run was like, TT1, mOOnGLaDe, MorroW and anypro, you might have a point. But the way his bracket worked out, it was almost the most difficult run he could have possibly had given the players in the tournament.


Considering he lost in groups of the next Code S season I'd saythe lack of a group stage is very relevant. I also can't agree with your rankings of those players considering pretty much all of them never had anymore great runs after that. If you compare the paths to his Code S wins it is much easier.

A world championship with half non KR and done mostly on invites is not as hard as code S especially not back then.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-19 16:25:34
October 19 2022 16:25 GMT
#30
On October 20 2022 00:42 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2022 15:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On October 19 2022 01:07 JJH777 wrote:
On October 18 2022 16:35 luxon wrote:
mvp had 5 too, the world championship was just as hard as code s. also not to be one of those crabby old guys, but mvp played when sc2 had a much more vibrant and competitive korean and global scene. theres no code A or kespa houses or enough people to play the ept cups now.. we've lost every great player to the axe that is military service with no younger players to pick up the mantle.

i havent kept up with sc2, if theres no more gsl, what will be in place in korea for the wcs blizzard money they committed, or is that expiring too?


I love Mvp and considered him the Goat up until 2019 but his GSL vs the World win was no where near as hard as a regular Code S. It was half foreigners at a time when foreigners we're way worse than Koreans. Plus it was a single elim bo3 bracket for most of it. Even if the player pool was good that format is simply not as hard. Also even counting that he's still only at 4.


Come on, man.

Mvp's run to the World Championship win.

2-1 HuK (Code S player)
3-1 July (2nd best Zerg at that moment, finalist from the previous Code S season)
3-1 San (2nd best Protoss at the moment, semi-finalist from previous Code S season)
4-2 MarineKing (2nd best Terran at the moment, former 2x finalist)

What an easy bracket! Definitely much easier than any of his other Code S wins, right? It was also almost the same format as Code S at the time, just without a Ro32 group stage...which shouldn't be relevant when you look at his competition in his bracket.

Like sure, if his run was like, TT1, mOOnGLaDe, MorroW and anypro, you might have a point. But the way his bracket worked out, it was almost the most difficult run he could have possibly had given the players in the tournament.


Considering he lost in groups of the next Code S season I'd saythe lack of a group stage is very relevant. I also can't agree with your rankings of those players considering pretty much all of them never had anymore great runs after that. If you compare the paths to his Code S wins it is much easier.

A world championship with half non KR and done mostly on invites is not as hard as code S especially not back then.


And if we really want to get technical, those 2011 GSL Code S group stages were kind of a joke. For example, the 2011 January GSL that Mvp won, the group stages were best of ones in Ro32 and Ro16. And the 2011 August GSL that Mvp won was Bo1 in Ro32 and single elimination Bo3 in Ro16.

Mvp only had to win 14 games to win that GSL. Even this most recent least impressive GSL Maru won with its much reduced format and pretty much the minimum number of games played he had to win 17 games to get the gold.
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PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
October 19 2022 16:51 GMT
#31
In a weird way, I hope GSL kind of just ends here. A player, Maru of all, gets the only G5L, a classic lopsided finals, Artosis’ final cast. It’s kind of perfect.
the farm ends here
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
219 Posts
October 19 2022 22:02 GMT
#32
On October 19 2022 03:15 ejozl wrote:
Terrible finals. Ragnarok's 2nd place speech was the highlight.


Maru used a different opener for each game and made it work. The 2-base into blue-flame opener was especially insane.
Nerves were the biggest factor. Ragnarok doesn't have the kind of experience as Maru when it comes to finals in GSL.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25315 Posts
October 20 2022 12:47 GMT
#33
On October 20 2022 07:02 Pentarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2022 03:15 ejozl wrote:
Terrible finals. Ragnarok's 2nd place speech was the highlight.


Maru used a different opener for each game and made it work. The 2-base into blue-flame opener was especially insane.
Nerves were the biggest factor. Ragnarok doesn't have the kind of experience as Maru when it comes to finals in GSL.

He’s a good player, there’s a bit of a quality gap there.

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 18:30:35
October 20 2022 18:29 GMT
#34
Lol if people count Mvp's GSL World Championship to let him have 4 titles tthen Maru's GSL Super Tournament gives him 6.

And even with a free extra title Mvp didn't get G5L and Maru did.

Not to mention Maru's 2013 season 2 title would have counted had OGN not had the broadcast rights and named it OSL just for that one season.

The comparisons are long gone.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
October 25 2022 16:44 GMT
#35
On October 20 2022 07:02 Pentarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2022 03:15 ejozl wrote:
Terrible finals. Ragnarok's 2nd place speech was the highlight.


Maru used a different opener for each game and made it work. The 2-base into blue-flame opener was especially insane.
Nerves were the biggest factor. Ragnarok doesn't have the kind of experience as Maru when it comes to finals in GSL.


I'm pretty sure the first time that blue-flame build into mech was used was by MVP vs. Life in the match the G5L trophy was made for (and the first chance anyone had to win it) -- if he didn't invent it, it definitely hadn't been used in high-level play often at all. Insane how things come full circle.
tlnetuser108
Profile Joined October 2022
83 Posts
October 31 2022 19:22 GMT
#36
GG Maru! Is it true this is the last GSL ever?
Avajos
Profile Joined November 2022
1 Post
November 01 2022 07:17 GMT
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