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ESL sold for $1B to Saudi-backed Savvy Gaming Group - Page 4

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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
392 Posts
January 26 2022 09:18 GMT
#61
It's sad every time to learn who actually owns what you consume. Let's see if it has an impact how they run things, whom they work with etc.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 26 2022 09:47 GMT
#62
On January 26 2022 16:55 trinity_law wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 02:10 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2022 00:16 trinity_law wrote:
ESL is dead, may you never find peace in your human rights violating new country

Out of 4 posts 3 are here shitting on ESL. Maybe, just maybe, you want to browse different threads or scream out of a window? Seems like this thread isn't exactly good for you



Its a troll account you moron. TL is pathetic with their protection against trolling or spamming. Thats why i shit on you and everyone on this site.

Oh noez, what a surprise. The next highly revealing thing - water makes objects wet!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27046 Posts
January 26 2022 10:40 GMT
#63
On January 26 2022 18:47 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 16:55 trinity_law wrote:
On January 26 2022 02:10 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2022 00:16 trinity_law wrote:
ESL is dead, may you never find peace in your human rights violating new country

Out of 4 posts 3 are here shitting on ESL. Maybe, just maybe, you want to browse different threads or scream out of a window? Seems like this thread isn't exactly good for you



Its a troll account you moron. TL is pathetic with their protection against trolling or spamming. Thats why i shit on you and everyone on this site.

Oh noez, what a surprise. The next highly revealing thing - water makes objects wet!

It’s especially great because TL is like, extremely stringent on these things and why I find the site tolerable, but trinity law definitely knows what’s going on
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2594 Posts
January 26 2022 10:46 GMT
#64
On January 26 2022 18:09 HolydaKing wrote:
Yeah, I think for the most part we will notice nothing different - apart from sponsor mentions maybe. I could imagine that prize pools will spike in some games that the Saudi company cares about.

While I don't approve a lot of things concerning the Saudi government, I don't really mind this. I don't mind Russian gamers and companies either, while I don't particularly like their government.

The difference here is that the ESL is not just owned by some people who happen to be from Saudi Arabia, it is owned by the government of Saudi Arabia. It's one thing when a gamer happens to come from an authoritarian country, or a company is owned by people who do. It's something else entirely when an actual authoritarian government owns a gaming organization. The gains of ESL, financial and reputational, will now accrue to the rulers of Saudi Arabia, which makes support for ESL indirectly support for that regime.
The frumious Bandersnatch
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 26 2022 10:57 GMT
#65
On January 26 2022 19:46 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 18:09 HolydaKing wrote:
Yeah, I think for the most part we will notice nothing different - apart from sponsor mentions maybe. I could imagine that prize pools will spike in some games that the Saudi company cares about.

While I don't approve a lot of things concerning the Saudi government, I don't really mind this. I don't mind Russian gamers and companies either, while I don't particularly like their government.

The difference here is that the ESL is not just owned by some people who happen to be from Saudi Arabia, it is owned by the government of Saudi Arabia. It's one thing when a gamer happens to come from an authoritarian country, or a company is owned by people who do. It's something else entirely when an actual authoritarian government owns a gaming organization. The gains of ESL, financial and reputational, will now accrue to the rulers of Saudi Arabia, which makes support for ESL indirectly support for that regime.

Was thinking exactly the same thing, when I read that Post.
Thanks for putting it into words better than I could have done
MaxPax
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
January 26 2022 11:27 GMT
#66
So many pretend to care... Bigger countries that produce far more of your consumer goods do things just as morally objectionable. They have a big red flag, it's just not as hip to speak against what they do publicly.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
atchosvk
Profile Joined April 2018
55 Posts
January 26 2022 11:55 GMT
#67
1 Billion is pretty much nothing for such big organization. I can't believe some of you welcome this as a good news..
Antoninus
Profile Joined January 2022
1 Post
January 26 2022 12:27 GMT
#68
They said CSGO was too CT favored but this seems overkill to fix it.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
January 26 2022 14:15 GMT
#69
On January 26 2022 21:27 Antoninus wrote:
They said CSGO was too CT favored but this seems overkill to fix it.

Christ
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
January 26 2022 15:59 GMT
#70
On January 26 2022 15:06 tankgirl wrote:
A billion dollars for some pointless video game for man-children?


Tell us how you really feel about Starcraft lol
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
January 26 2022 17:00 GMT
#71
On January 26 2022 20:55 atchosvk wrote:
1 Billion is pretty much nothing for such big organization. I can't believe some of you welcome this as a good news..

For a company valued around 120~ million in 2015, 1 billion looks pretty good.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2720 Posts
January 26 2022 17:22 GMT
#72
On January 26 2022 20:27 J. Corsair wrote:
So many pretend to care... Bigger countries that produce far more of your consumer goods do things just as morally objectionable. They have a big red flag, it's just not as hip to speak against what they do publicly.

You mean China? Isn't that like one of the most criticized countries?
very illegal and very uncool
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-26 17:34:40
January 26 2022 17:32 GMT
#73
I think the question we should be asking is, if we disapprove of Saudi Arabia, which I'd bet almost everyone does, and if they are buying ESL through a company they own, will protesting ESL actually change anything about their behavior, or is it more likely to just hurt the esports scene? I know people like to feel like they are doing something, but I don't see how it will be productive to bring about meaningful change to bash ESL.

I think that Saudi Arabia is highly committed to the way they do things, for a number of reasons, and something a lot bigger than having relatively small investments for them get protested would have to happen to meaningfully change their behavior. On the other hand, ESL will contribute almost nothing to their total wealth because, as I said, it's a relatively small investment. By attacking ESL, though, you can help to kill the esports scene.

If you want to stop human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, freaking out over them owning ESL isn't going to do it. Sorry. Maybe you should consider pressuring your politicians to do something about them.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
January 26 2022 18:39 GMT
#74
Many people mention human rights in SA, but there is also the War in Yemen thing.
Pathetic Greta hater.
v1p3r52
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand182 Posts
January 26 2022 19:22 GMT
#75
This seems so random
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18332 Posts
January 26 2022 20:25 GMT
#76
On January 27 2022 03:39 Silvanel wrote:
Many people mention human rights in SA, but there is also the War in Yemen thing.

Isn't the whole fanatic theocracy the ground reason for both things? People don't like fanatic theocracies.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2594 Posts
January 27 2022 11:10 GMT
#77
On January 26 2022 20:27 J. Corsair wrote:
So many pretend to care... Bigger countries that produce far more of your consumer goods do things just as morally objectionable. They have a big red flag, it's just not as hip to speak against what they do publicly.

You're right. No one ever has anything negative to say about China, or expresses concerns about the influence they can purchase with their investments. Good point.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-27 12:09:07
January 27 2022 12:08 GMT
#78
ups, wrong thread...
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation192 Posts
January 27 2022 20:09 GMT
#79
Is this good news or not?
This man suffers from a bad heart, but I have plenty of medicine.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States881 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-28 02:17:06
January 28 2022 02:15 GMT
#80
On January 28 2022 05:09 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Is this good news or not?


We don't actually know yet until they announce their future plans/policies/procedures relating to SC2. Some are saying it's bad because they don't like the questionable practices of the country it's based out of. They're also likely doing that while they navigate with a mouse and keyboard at a desk in their chair while looking at their monitor(s), some or all of which came from a factory in a country not known for its upstanding labor practices.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
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